Bryan Mbeumo | 2026/27 Performances

Exactly, most in form player should play, others fight for a place. Great for the squad.

Yep. We're finally building some meaningful competition for places again, which is integral for a possible title challenging squad. The other huge benefit of this goes relatively unseen in training - having proper depth and competition on the training ground is far, far better preparation for playing PL opposition week in week out. At times in the past few years we've looked shell shocked by the pace and quality and competitiveness of the opposition, even when playing mid table and relegation fodder teams. And when you think our training would have consisted of our FBs facing Garnacho or Sancho or Antony, or CMs playing against Ugarte or McTominay, no wonder we looked consistently unprepared.

It reminds me of an old quote from Keane I think where had said that training under Fergie's teams was often higher intensity and a higher standard than some of the games we played.
 
Yep. We're finally building some meaningful competition for places again, which is integral for a possible title challenging squad. The other huge benefit of this goes relatively unseen in training - having proper depth and competition on the training ground is far, far better preparation for playing PL opposition week in week out. At times in the past few years we've looked shell shocked by the pace and quality and competitiveness of the opposition, even when playing mid table and relegation fodder teams. And when you think our training would have consisted of our FBs facing Garnacho or Sancho or Antony, or CMs playing against Ugarte or McTominay, no wonder we looked consistently unprepared.

It reminds me of an old quote from Keane I think where had said that training under Fergie's teams was often higher intensity and a higher standard than some of the games we played.
Absolutely ever title winning team has real competition for places not just players like Zirkzee making up the numbers.
 
He looked great in his first 10 games or so but since then, been very ordinary. Issue is I don’t really rate Amad either. Hopefully Lacey kicks on, he might end up replacing both.
 
He looked great in his first 10 games or so but since then, been very ordinary. Issue is I don’t really rate Amad either. Hopefully Lacey kicks on, he might end up replacing both.
I think some forget both Amad and Mbuemo struggled post AFCON.

A few players did actually.
 
I think some forget both Amad and Mbuemo struggled post AFCON.

A few players did actually.

They did indeed, hopefully Mbuemo bounces back. I’ve never been struck on Amad regardless though, a strong backup but that’s his level, in my opinion.
 
He wasn’t great from a technical perspective but he still put the shift it and got enough goals to give him some credit in the bank.

He was also played out of position for a lot of the second half of the season if I remember correctly. He’s not a centre forward and needs to be used as a wide forward cutting inside.

As usual there is a lot of knee jerk reaction in here which surprises me when we have a lot of other positions that should worry everyone a lot more.
Well that just sounds like you’re not looking at the big picture and have a romanticised vision of the player as he was poor wherever played and gave cause for concern because if that’s repeated again, he’ll be a hindrance rather than an asset. I don’t know what’s supposed to be knee-jerk about half a season. That’s a long time and people are going to be concerned that it could carryover. I mean, what is to say it won’t be? As much as he had a good 1st half to his first season, he had as equally bad in the second, so he’s starting at 0, essentially. That’s a valid reason for people to be keen to see if he’s looking the part or not through preseason. A bit premature at the moment, given it’s the second game, but certainly something that will follow him and others who ended the season badly than the others.
 
Well that just sounds like you’re not looking at the big picture and have a romanticised vision of the player as he was poor wherever played and gave cause for concern because if that’s repeated again, he’ll be a hindrance rather than an asset. I don’t know what’s supposed to be knee-jerk about half a season. That’s a long time and people are going to be concerned that it could carryover. I mean, what is to say it won’t be? As much as he had a good 1st half to his first season, he had as equally bad in the second, so he’s starting at 0, essentially. That’s a valid reason for people to be keen to see if he’s looking the part or not through preseason. A bit premature at the moment, given it’s the second game, but certainly something that will follow him and others who ended the season badly than the others.

Even in the second half of the season when he was badly out of form he was still popping up with important goals and assists. We have good competition for him either way so it's not something I'm worried about going into the season. We'll see what happens.
 
Even in the second half of the season when he was badly out of form he was still popping up with important goals and assists. We have good competition for him either way so it's not something I'm worried about going into the season. We'll see what happens.
That’s not the greatest of prep - hope. There has to be contingency, and that’s were the obvious concern is. If he is as bad again, then what? His alternative is Amad, so two players being gambled on, where normally you have at least one sure thing and then the unknown one as the wildcard. Mbeumo needs to show the second half of the season isn’t the player he is.
 
That’s not the greatest of prep - hope. There has to be contingency, and that’s were the obvious concern is. If he is as bad again, then what? His alternative is Amad, so two players being gambled on, where normally you have at least one sure thing and then the unknown one as the wildcard. Mbeumo needs to show the second half of the season isn’t the player he is.

There is contingency - we have good competition for places. Both Amad and Dorgu can play on the right and Lacey's knocking at the door. If he is bad for a whole season then he'll fall down the pecking order and get replaced by others. The fact remains though - even when he was in very poor form he was still producing goals and assists, so it's not something I'm fretting about two pre-season games in.
 
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Well that just sounds like you’re not looking at the big picture and have a romanticised vision of the player as he was poor wherever played and gave cause for concern because if that’s repeated again, he’ll be a hindrance rather than an asset. I don’t know what’s supposed to be knee-jerk about half a season. That’s a long time and people are going to be concerned that it could carryover. I mean, what is to say it won’t be? As much as he had a good 1st half to his first season, he had as equally bad in the second, so he’s starting at 0, essentially. That’s a valid reason for people to be keen to see if he’s looking the part or not through preseason. A bit premature at the moment, given it’s the second game, but certainly something that will follow him and others who ended the season badly than the others.
So you say the same about Cunha? Poor first half good second half equals startung at 0.

Amad, a terrible whole season so starting at minus 10?

Sesko, starting at zero i’d say by your logic as well.

We can go on throughout the squad if you like? We’ll find a lot more in the minus column.

I’m not saying Mbeumo is perfect, I'm saying he’s a lot further down the list to be worried about than most of the squad.

Sounds like you’ve made your mind up though.
 
There is contingency - we have good competition for places. Both Amad and Dorgu can play on the right and Lacey's knocking at the door. If he is bad for a whole season then he'll fall down the pecking order and get replaced by others. The fact remains though - even when he was in very poor form he was still producing goals and assists, so it's not something I'm fretting about two pre-season games in.

So you say the same about Cunha? Poor first half good second half equals startung at 0.

Amad, a terrible whole season so starting at minus 10?

Sesko, starting at zero i’d say by your logic as well.

We can go on throughout the squad if you like? We’ll find a lot more in the minus column.

I’m not saying Mbeumo is perfect, I'm saying he’s a lot further down the list to be worried about than most of the squad.

Sounds like you’ve made your mind up though.
These notions are based on hope, not substance, as I said before. It’s fine if that’s your stance, but it won’t be everyone’s, and in no way is it knee-jerk to be concerned when someone slumps like that. Amad being the contingent further adds to concern, not ameliorates it, given they both produced a combined total not good enough for a single player in such an important position in 2026.

As far as my mind being made up. Nope, but that doesn’t mean you betray the reality presented, or perhaps fans can, whilst you’d hope a club doesn’t operate in that way.
 
These notions are based on hope, not substance, as I said before. It’s fine if that’s your stance, but it won’t be everyone’s, and in no way is it knee-jerk to be concerned when someone slumps like that. Amad being the contingent further adds to concern, not ameliorates it, given they both produced a combined total not good enough for a single player in such an important position in 2026.

As far as my mind being made up. Nope, but that doesn’t mean you betray the reality presented, or perhaps fans can, whilst you’d hope a club doesn’t operate in that way.

Nonsense - a chunk of my point was based on his stats from last season. He still finished as one of our most reliable contributors in terms of goals and assists.

And I’ll take hope over despair at the start of a new season.
 
These notions are based on hope, not substance, as I said before. It’s fine if that’s your stance, but it won’t be everyone’s, and in no way is it knee-jerk to be concerned when someone slumps like that. Amad being the contingent further adds to concern, not ameliorates it, given they both produced a combined total not good enough for a single player in such an important position in 2026.

As far as my mind being made up. Nope, but that doesn’t mean you betray the reality presented, or perhaps fans can, whilst you’d hope a club doesn’t operate in that way.
You’re reading our words wrongly, neither of us have said he had a stellar season last year or that he’s the best option we could wish for in his position.

We’re saying the simple fact that he’s not our biggest concern which some fans seem to think he is.

All our players have slumped over the last 10 years or so that’s why we’re in the position we are. We have far bigger issues in multiple positions to worry about Mbeumo this season.
 
Nonsense - a chunk of my point was based on his stats from last season. He still finished as one of our most reliable contributors in terms of goals and assists.

And I’ll take hope over despair at the start of a new season.

You’re reading our words wrongly, neither of us have said he had a stellar season last year or that he’s the best option we could wish for in his position.

We’re saying the simple fact that he’s not our biggest concern which some fans seem to think he is.

All our players have slumped over the last 10 years or so that’s why we’re in the position we are. We have far bigger issues in multiple positions to worry about Mbeumo this season.
I’m not here to convince or remonstrate - as I said, you’re entitled to your angle - it’s just illogical to not see why others would be concerned or to call it knee jerk.
 
It seems some people are confused between whether Mbeumo is a glass half empty or half full player.

Answer: Bald.
 
I’m not here to convince or remonstrate - as I said, you’re entitled to your angle - it’s just illogical to not see why others would be concerned or to call it knee jerk.
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion.

Your saying ‘we’ are illogical to not see why others are concerned, people are welcome to be concerned about Mbeumo if they like I’m saying I’m surprised some seem to think he’s our biggest concern.

Not sure what you find difficult with that to be honest.
 
Personally, I think the earlier use of the word "knee-jerk" was off-base. It's not knee-jerk to have concerns about Mbeumo, as we have many years of his work at Brentford and a full season at United through which to evaluate his abilities. I personally think he's got deficiencies that make him a poor fit for the RW spot and that's not based on pre-season friendlies. He is a useful option to have in a squad, but he and Amad will likely need to be upgraded on if we want to have a tilt at the title or a deep CL run.
 
Personally, I think the earlier use of the word "knee-jerk" was off-base. It's not knee-jerk to have concerns about Mbeumo, as we have many years of his work at Brentford and a full season at United through which to evaluate his abilities. I personally think he's got deficiencies that make him a poor fit for the RW spot and that's not based on pre-season friendlies. He is a useful option to have in a squad, but he and Amad will likely need to be upgraded on if we want to have a tilt at the title or a deep CL run.
He’s had 17, 16, 28 and 14 goal contributions in the last 4 seasons in the PL. I don’t think that’s too bad. PL only stats.

If we can improve on him I’m all up for it but this season he’s not a priority in my opinion.
 
A winger that isn't comfortable with the ball, can't take on his man and not that quick. For me he has to play centrally, can battle it out with Sesko as the CF, let Amad and Dorgu have the RW spot.
 
He’s had 17, 16, 28 and 14 goal contributions in the last 4 seasons in the PL. I don’t think that’s too bad.

It's not too bad at all, However, those numbers don't mean he is a great dribbler or crosser of a ball, don't make his first touch better, don't make him able to operate in tight spaces. It means in the right set up, he can get you around ten goals and five assists in a season, which is certainly fine for a team with Champions League qualification as its ultimate goal. My point was more that he's not got the traits I'd look for in an elite RW and that it's not knee jerk to point that out.
 
Personally, I think the earlier use of the word "knee-jerk" was off-base. It's not knee-jerk to have concerns about Mbeumo, as we have many years of his work at Brentford and a full season at United through which to evaluate his abilities. I personally think he's got deficiencies that make him a poor fit for the RW spot and that's not based on pre-season friendlies. He is a useful option to have in a squad, but he and Amad will likely need to be upgraded on if we want to have a tilt at the title or a deep CL run.

We were in title challenging form for half the season last year with those two and improving our more obvious areas of weakness will improve us further (and I don’t think anyone pegged right wing as a big priority coming into this summer).

Mbeumo and Amad can very much be a part of a title challenge if the overall quality and depth of our squad is there - teams have won leagues and gone deep in the CL with worse players playing key roles. Even out of form Mbeumo got 14 G/A which is more than most Arsenal attackers managed.
 
We were in title challenging form for half the season last year with those two and improving our more obvious areas of weakness will improve us further (and I don’t think anyone pegged right wing as a big priority coming into this summer).

Mbeumo and Amad can very much be a part of a title challenge if the overall quality and depth of our squad is there - teams have won leagues and gone deep in the CL with worse players playing key roles. Even out of form Mbeumo got 14 G/A which is more than most Arsenal attackers managed.

"If the overall quality and depth is there"... I mean that is the point right there. Mbeumo or Amad could be fine squad players for a challenge but we'd need to upgrade the attack somewhere at some point and the RW stands out to me as where we need more. Fine if you disagree but it's an utterly reasonable opinion, and I'm happy to respect yours and leave it there. :)
 
"If the overall quality and depth is there"... I mean that is the point right there. Mbeumo or Amad could be fine squad players for a challenge but we'd need to upgrade the attack somewhere at some point and the RW stands out to me as where we need more. Fine if you disagree but it's an utterly reasonable opinion, and I'm happy to respect yours and leave it there. :)

Sounds like you missed this bit:
We were in title challenging form for half the season last year with those two and improving our more obvious areas of weakness will improve us further (and I don’t think anyone pegged right wing as a big priority coming into this summer).

We showed title challenging form for half of last season, and there are several areas of our squad which were very obviously bigger concerns and which could be more easily improved on than RW. We currently have Mbeumo, Amad and Dorgu who can all play there plus Lacey knocking on the door. With a CM rebuild plus a little bit more depth and quality elsewhere (EG LB, striker), I think we'll be there or thereabouts with a title challenge - and that's with with Mbeumo playing a key part and without any further reinforcements at RW.

Did you honestly go into this summer thinking that RW was an area of priority? Do you really not think that with a better midfield behind our current attack we could mount a title challenge?
 
How was Mbeumo deployed at Brentford, or how was he so effective there? He’s looked like he’s been playing something other than his best/favorite position. I feel like we’re shoehorning him into the side.
 
Sounds like you missed this bit:


We showed title challenging form for half of last season, and there are several areas of our squad which were very obviously bigger concerns and which could be more easily improved on than RW. We currently have Mbeumo, Amad and Dorgu who can all play there plus Lacey knocking on the door. With a CM rebuild plus a little bit more depth and quality elsewhere (EG LB, striker), I think we'll be there or thereabouts with a title challenge - and that's with with Mbeumo playing a key part and without any further reinforcements at RW.

Did you honestly go into this summer thinking that RW was an area of priority? Do you really not think that with a better midfield behind our current attack we could mount a title challenge?

I didn't miss anything, and I respect your opinion, but I've given mine, that Mbeumo has deficiencies in his game to be an elite RW. The hypotheticals about other areas of the squad and other priorities are fine points to make but they don't really relate to the point I originally made, which is that it's not really knee jerk to point out the traits Mbeumo lacks that might come in handy for us.
 
He's not going to be the best winger in the world.

But you can choose to focus on the positives. We have an attacker in the squad who can reliably get you double figures for league goals alone - after years of watching the likes of Antony, Hojlund, Zirkzee, Sancho, Garnacho, Weghorst deliver nothing. And can score in big games - scoring against Liverpool, City and Arsenal last season. And he works his bollocks off out of possession.

Temper your expectations and be content we have a goal threat in the squad, goals are pretty useful in football.
 
I didn't miss anything, and I respect your opinion, but I've given mine, that Mbeumo has deficiencies in his game to be an elite RW. The hypotheticals about other areas of the squad and other priorities are fine points to make but they don't really relate to the point I originally made, which is that it's not really knee jerk to point out the traits Mbeumo lacks that might come in handy for us.

But that’s a straw man - my argument wasn’t that Mbeumo is elite, it was that you can absolutely challenge for titles and go deep in the CL with players like Mbeumo playing a key role, after you claimed we’d likely have to upgrade on him to be able to do so. That’s the bit I disagreed with. Even in a bad season Mbeumo got 14 G/A with many of those winning us important points in key games, and players like that can help you mount title challenges. Indeed, without Amorim fecking things up last season we may well have already mounted a challenge.

We know from past league winners that leagues can be won without every player in every position being “elite”, with similar or worse players than Mbeumo playing key roles - we saw that last season with Arsenal.

That’s why I think we’re more than capable of challenging for the league without upgrading him. Overall balance and depth of the squad is more important and more feasible than thinking you have to get elite players in every single position just to mount a challenge.
 
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But that’s a straw man - my argument wasn’t that Mbeumo is elite, it was that you can absolutely challenge for titles and go deep in the CL with players like Mbeumo playing a key role. Even in a bad season Mbeumo got 14 G/A with many of those winning us important points in key games.

We know from past league winners that leagues can be won without every player in every position being “elite”, with similar or worse players than Mbeumo playing key roles - we saw that last season with Arsenal.

That’s why I think we’re more than capable of challenging for the league without upgrading him. Overall balance and depth of the squad is more important and more feasible than thinking you have to get elite players in every single position just to mount a challenge.

It's not a straw man, because I am merely supporting the point that I initially made, which you responded to! :lol:

I don't disagree with your second paragraph but that was never my point or what I took issue with!
 
It's not a straw man, because I am merely supporting the point that I initially made, which you responded to! :lol:

I don't disagree with your second paragraph but that was never my point or what I took issue with!

You actually seemed to have changed your argument halfway through - from “he’s a poor fit” to “he’s not elite”. They strike me as quite different things.

Either way, I think he can be a key part of a title winning squad, and you don’t seem to. This season will give us some indication.
 
You actually seemed to have changed your argument halfway through - from “he’s a poor fit” to “he’s not elite”. They strike me as quite different things.

Either way, I think he can be a key part of a title winning squad, and you don’t seem to. This season will give us some indication.

I haven't changed my argument halfway through. My point has been that Mbeumo has significant deficiencies in his game and that it's not knee jerk to point those out. If you disagree with that statement, then absolutely no worries, and I would obviously love for Bryan to have a fantastic season ahead, so fingers crossed.
 
I haven't changed my argument halfway through. My point has been that Mbeumo has significant deficiencies in his game and that it's not knee jerk to point those out. If you disagree with that statement, then absolutely no worries, and I would obviously love for Bryan to have a fantastic season ahead, so fingers crossed.

I was specifically disagreeing with some of the other bits you said, as I’ve explained.
 
Off the ball (in an attacking sense) he's our smartest front 3 player so he'll get himself into goalscoring positions.

Carrick will have to find the right times to play Amad and Mbeumo on the right. As you say, very different profiles. Some fullbacks will struggle against one but deal with the other well.
Yeah, how I see it as well. It’s a “squad” game, after all, and we need all players performing to their peak.
 
How was Mbeumo deployed at Brentford, or how was he so effective there? He’s looked like he’s been playing something other than his best/favorite position. I feel like we’re shoehorning him into the side.
We're definitely shoehorning him into the team. He's not a winger - end of story. He's not a striker either.

Now the question is if it's worth accommodating him, and if we can pull this off from tactical point of view. Gun to my head - yes, we should do it considering issue with striker and Amad being amazingly unproductive (even when he was playing well).

That said, I can certainly see him being sold next summer if we are after a proper winger.
 
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion.

Your saying ‘we’ are illogical to not see why others are concerned, people are welcome to be concerned about Mbeumo if they like I’m saying I’m surprised some seem to think he’s our biggest concern.

Not sure what you find difficult with that to be honest.
Poster(s) are outlining why pre and post my response. And it’s obvious why. There’s nothing knee-jerk happening with Mbeumo, nor Amad for that matter. It’s a big season for the both of them. The hope is they turn it around. That, is far from assured.
 
How was Mbeumo deployed at Brentford, or how was he so effective there? He’s looked like he’s been playing something other than his best/favorite position. I feel like we’re shoehorning him into the side.
He had a lot of penalties and a ton of xG over performance in one season. He played in a front 2 with Wissa quite a bit.

He's a second striker/inside forward who is best at timing off the ball runs and finishing, not much of a dribbler or creator when he has the ball at his feet. That worked for Amorim as the right 10, that doesn't really work for Carrick on the right. In a 442, 4411 type system... He's best as a poacher or a second striker.