You'd think so wouldn't you.
But I hope it's been sorted in the last few days but we're holding off until today or Monday because of the Jota news.
Bryan Mbeumo | BBC: Brentford reject bid of 55 + 7.5m
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
But I hope it's been sorted in the last few days but we're holding off until today or Monday because of the Jota news.
Seems there isn't the time frame on this than we initially thought less than a week ago
Ridiculous how long it is taking to get this deal done.
Pre season coming up shortly and Amorim has the exact same squad + Cunha. Embarrassing to say the least how this transfer window is shaping up to be.
Pre season coming up shortly and Amorim has the exact same squad + Cunha. Embarrassing to say the least how this transfer window is shaping up to be.
The timing of payments could also be a consideration. No doubt we'll want to break it up over multiple installments, given our cash flow issues.
The new admin look very much like the old admin ie slow and without any plan B
Pre-season hasn’t even started yet, first game isn’t till the 19th July. Chill out ffs.
Getting Mbeumo in before the tour will be fine so plenty of time.
Getting Mbeumo in before the tour will be fine so plenty of time.
Sounds about right
This. People need to relax and see reality. It is hard to get deals done under these circumstances and all things considered
Whilst I think the vast majority of the posts in here are typing/posting for typing/posting sake from bored muppets, the fact does remain that we finished 15th last season, were atrocious and have more need than anyone else to get our house in order and as much of a supposed new squad settled as possible to avoid a repeat of the shambles we've just endured, so it does stand to reason that we've got to get a wiggle on and have as many players integrated as we can during this preseason.
If we had a functioning model, like a number of clubs who are taking their own time, it wouldn't be such a pressing need, but we don't. We're rubbish and play some of the most disjointed and poor flowing football in the division. As things currently stand, there's little reason to think we'll be much better if the season kicked off with all clubs haven't their current squads locked in. Is there?
It's obviously great for the books to get the best deals at the best prices, but for the product on the pitch, you need players to have as much practice together as possible to start the season competitively and actually give yourself the chance of the optimal result for that squad by the final standings at the end of the season.
Amorim is also on the shakiest ground of all the managers that got to keep their jobs (with Ange being canned despite the EL win and CL qualification) so he desperately needs that crucial time with his players otherwise he'll be out the door before they've even found their feet together.
So there's plenty to be concerned about, I'd say. We're starting well behind the line compared to [much] better teams who are already in pole position and have squads that know each other and could easily continue where they left off; if we continue where left off, we might get relegated this time.
Isn’t this why you do deals during the season, 99% ready to go and then announce it when the window opens or announce when new PSR window opens. Considering we need lots in and lots out, working on one deal at a time and each one taking 3 weeks is not good enough, especially when we know what Brentford want and we are going to eventually pay it anyway.
I feel we need a few dummy targets, pretend we are interested, negotiate with agent etc.. negotiate with club and move on the second they reject our bid. That’s the way to remove Utd tax.
He'll be in before we fly to the US and that's all that matters really. If he's not on the plane with everyone to America then I'll start to be annoyed.
There won't be any others on the plane most likely as we're reliant on sales that aren't going to come quickly.
There won't be any others on the plane most likely as we're reliant on sales that aren't going to come quickly.
You hit the nail on the head there. If I could add my 2c worth:
After that nightmare of a season you would THINK the higher ups would have a plan in place to course correct and so it proved with Cunha. But after him what was the plan? We should have had a list of targets lined up and ready to be chalked off one by one.
Mbuemo just smacks of an opportunity signing. A good one no doubt but rather a "oh sh1t who do we get next?!" reactionary signing. That's my concern personally. No plan hence no idea how to navigate the treacherous waters of the transfer market. In our case at least.
Chelsea seem to have a fleet with admirals at the helm. In our case it's Jack Sparrow and he's marooned on an island.
We have a weakened first team squad going into the start of preseason training tomorrow. Cunha only in. Three have left - Eriksen, Lindelof and Evans. And Garnacho given leave not to join up tomorrow to find a new club, if reports are to be believed, along with Sancho, Rashford and Antony.
The Mbuemo deal is following a similar pattern to past tortuous transfer mess ups. There's only a couple of million in it but we are stalling. Plus there is no other signing as far forward as this. If we can even call it that right now.
Im bored with the negativity but there is precious little to be positive about on the eve of preseason training when Amorim's methods are supposed to be bedding in. He has always shown that he won't budge tactically to fit the players he has. And all the signs are that he still won't have the players he needs and more pain is coming.
Lot of people will have been on holiday etc, not just at United but other clubs, agents, players etc. Like Mbuemo was in the US until very recently and seems quite a lot of people are over at the club world cup as well.
The next couple of weeks are key. Should be seeing more activity picking up. Save the panicking and melodrama until then.
The next couple of weeks are key. Should be seeing more activity picking up. Save the panicking and melodrama until then.
That probably is what happened to a certain extent. It doesn't seem like there have been any issues in convincing Cunha and Mbeumo to join, and Cunha signed fairly swiftly as he had a release clause. Negotiations with the clubs will always be the part that takes the longest with an incoming transfer.
Not sure your 'dummy' solution works either. It could just as easily be painted as us being incapable of getting a deal done and ramp up the pressure on our recruitment team when negotiating for the next player. United tax isn't going to disappear because of games we play in the press, it'll have to be the result of more diligent recruiting over time.
The toughest part of the window will be selling our unwanted players for respectable fees. I think we often get worse deals on outgoings than incomings, and any money recouped is likely going to dictate who we can sign for the remainder of the window beyond Mbeumo.
Pre season doesn't start from the first preseason match. There's a period of getting fitness up and having tactical drills in place for Amorims system. Building chemistry in the set up etc.
That happens pretty much from now.
It's finished... that's all the new signings I guess
It's fine though, the preseason will change everything
Expected league place? That's nonsense.
But genuinely what did people think was going to happen? A team that finished 15th in the premier league, no trophies, one of the highest wage bills in football with the most expensive castaways and cash flow problems. Did people think there would be clubs lining up to take our cast aways with their high wages while paying transfer fees on top of that? Or clubs willing to allow us improve our squad by paying peanuts for their players?
Massive personnel turnovers in one summer are a pipe dream. It was ALWAYS going to be largely the same squad which is why a coach that can maximise the squad we have was paramount. Instead we hired a coach who alienated pretty much all the attacking threat in the team, made the rest of the team worse and led us to our worst season since the 70s and most of the forum continues to back him. Delusion at its finest.
We were 14th when he was sacked and getting worse.
No we shouldn’t. What we should have done is kept RVN until the end of the season but made sure we’d signed a permanent manager for the following season just to stop us making the same mistake we did with Ole.
Ruud might have relegated us, but if not this would've been the best approach. It was clear that radical changes during the season with no transfer budget to speak of in January would be a disaster. I'm not convinced Amorim will ever be a success here, but his chances would've been much higher coming in between seasons
Let’s not hold up Chelsea as some sort of panacea of transfers.
Obviously we need to sell players to bring in revenue to buy players - the problem is that the vast majority of clubs are all in the same position. So most things will get done near the end of the window.
Feck, i wasn't ready for that
Can we not just go to plan B with other players? surely we're should stick to our valuation of players and not making the same mistakes paying whatever the selling clubs want. It feels like we're still run by the same people again.
This posts sums up where I am too currently.
My hope were that the owner would have a sunk cost approach to the squad and if necessary some of the debt. Maybe a bit optimistic. But they valued the club at approx £5bn. A huge part of that valuation is related to the brand, and that is wasted when the club is suffering in the bottom half. Spending a few hundred mill «extra» on the squad would make sense if we have control on the PSR. With «their own coach» in place, I was expecting a proactive approach.
Hopefully, moving a few players can give the club a chance to bring in a couple of players. If selling Garnacho, Rashford, Antony and Sancho let the club spend a similar amount as the cost of these four players, we could make big changes. They probably cost the club £70 mill a year. That is the equivalent of buying three players at £60 mill on average and offering them £200k a week. If we manage to sell Hojlund too, it could allow the club to be able to bring in a new striker, central midfielder, wingback and a goalkeeper. Even if they arrive late, it would be a game changer.
That being said, if dont bring in at least three more players, adding to Cunha and Mbuemo, I would be really worried. Not that we get relegated, but by the lack of ambition.
We've signed one player. We are just pathetic tbh
Didn't we get Diego Leon too?
That deal had been agreed for a long time though.
The agreement for him was made ages back. He's just arrived in person and done all the PR now
ETH might have relegated us. The players loved RVN and that shown in his first game when we scored 5. Which I can’t remember if we ever did under ETH. He’d have kept a steady ship and played a system the players knew so we’d have easily been top 10.
You can't expect us to bring people in rapidly while still negotiating hard, it's one or the other unfortuanetly.
Of course I'd love us to get our targets in quickly, while shifting out the deadwood. I'd prefer all these deals to be done at the best possible price however, and work on resetting the markets expectation of us.
United tax needs to die for us to move forward quickly.
Of course I'd love us to get our targets in quickly, while shifting out the deadwood. I'd prefer all these deals to be done at the best possible price however, and work on resetting the markets expectation of us.
United tax needs to die for us to move forward quickly.
Let’s hope there’s movement this week.
Yeah, let’s hope it’s something both parties can resolve bud. Think he’ll be a fantastic signing for us.
I think this would have been done if we’d already cashed in on at least one of Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho etc.
But with those deals seemingly still in limbo, we’re stuck with SJR scrimping on every penny possible.
But with those deals seemingly still in limbo, we’re stuck with SJR scrimping on every penny possible.
The people who accuse the club of being slow could be the same people who accuse the club of overpaying.
To be fair- they'll be very hard to shift without UTD contributing to their wages- so he's right.
UTD have spent fortunes for years, and now you have a bunch of hangers on. Racking up losses and doing bad in the league.
Can't just keep adding on top of the mess already there...
Both things can be true! Clubs have tended to see us coming, dug their heels in and waited for us to get much closer to their demands as we get more desperate. We didn't rush in to sign Antony at the start of the window for £80m, we paid that at the deadline! If it was a simple fact that waiting = cheaper, life would be much simpler.
Is there any reason why Brentford won’t just let this drag out even beyond preseason