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Adisa said:
That’s not what Fabrizio’s tweet said.
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As others have mentioned, room for negotiation. Valuable info which was missing from the original tweet I posted from the aggri
 
Dion said:
My realistic expectation for him is that he does roughly as well as his underlying statistics suggest his level is, in league terms about 12-15 G/A a season. I think at that level we've overpaid for him, but it is what it is.

In terms of failing, I think there's a whole range of answers, but the most obvious ones are

1) That he fails to adapt to a team that has the majority of possession and struggles to get involved in games where he doesn't have empty space to run into. His slightly suspect close control and dribbling in tight spaces leaves him a weak link on the ball and his creative game isn't consistent enough to play in the 10 role.

2) He does alright to begin with, but the manager leaves and we don't play with 2 10's anymore. Cunha is then left without a role because he can't play up front and he's not effective as a wide player.
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1) I think he has enough qualities on the ball that it would be more of a failing of the team/structure if we couldn't get him involved or be effective. I would largely boil it down to the same issues we had when Amad struggled on the right e.g lack of movement around him and getting him the ball in advantageous positions because he's double/tripled teamed as our ball progression and first/second runs are very pedestrian. I personally think his athleticism and dribbling is exactly what we need in tight spaces. As much as I'd want someone like Cherki, I don't think we have the personnel for possession and movement dominance to carry a player like him, whereas Cunha can make it work on his own. In short I don't think we're going to dominate possession and start pinning teams back next season in a suffocating fashion and if those situations do happen, I'd fancy Cunha 1 vs 1 against most defenders on the edge of the penalty box/left channel areas.

2) That's fair although I'm not sure the next manager will have a choice but to integrate or involve him. Cunha along with Mbeumo and Amad will likely be our best line breakers through their ball carrying and goal/assist productivity. The likelihood is that the next manager would need to get the best out of these players and vice versa would need them to perform for him but yeah that's too far away for now anyways.
 
Kayla40TS said:
Everyone complaining about paying over the odds for the lad but it really doesn't matter how much we pay for him so long as we do it in installments. We offer less than they want. They say no, we want more. We say fine, but we can't pay it all at once. Easy peasy. 65 million for him seems a bit steep. But if it's really more like 4 years of 15 million quid instalments it's so easy to cover off. Especially as he'll likely help us move up the table, qualify for Europe, etc etc.
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That mindset is why the club is financially crippled. He’s not worth £70m. I don’t even think he’s worth £60m. A smart club (I.e not Manchester United) tells him to wait a season when he has one year left on his contract and we buy him on the cheap. That’s what Real Madrid do.
 
I think it's also worth noting that this is a player who has taken a leap this year and there might be more to come (or it was a one off and he'll be a flop here). But its not out of the realm of possibility that he does better here than he did for Brentford, as natural development for a player still improving in his career. I just hope that we have the system in mind to get the best out of these players, and for them to coexist successfully.
 
How much wages would people think would be fair?
I think anything north of 180k per week is too much.
 
criticalanalysis said:
1) I think he has enough qualities on the ball that it would be more of a failing of the team/structure if we couldn't get him involved or be effective. I would largely boil it down to the same issues we had when Amad struggled on the right e.g lack of movement around him and getting him the ball in advantageous positions because he's double/tripled teamed as our ball progression and first/second runs are very pedestrian. I personally think his athleticism and dribbling is exactly what we need in tight spaces. As much as I'd want someone like Cherki, I don't think we have the personnel for possession and movement dominance to carry a player like him, whereas Cunha can make it work on his own. In short I don't think we're going to dominate possession and start pinning teams back next season in a suffocating fashion and if those situations do happen, I'd fancy Cunha 1 vs 1 against most defenders on the edge of the penalty box/left channel areas.

2) That's fair although I'm not sure the next manager will have a choice but to integrate or involve him. Cunha along with Mbeumo and Amad will likely be our best line breakers through their ball carrying and goal/assist productivity. The likelihood is that the next manager would need to get the best out of these players and vice versa would need them to perform for him but yeah that's too far away for now anyways.
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1) Amad is far, far more technically skilled than Cunha though, like by a lot. His skills in tight spaces are on a totally different level and while he's not a match for Cunha in terms of running past people who are running back to their own goal, he's much better at beating a man from a standing start 1v1. Cunha is not that type of player and his close control, acceleration and technique aren't good enough to do it regularly. What Amad lacked was physicality and experience, both things you can get with time but his game fundamentally suits playing in a team that controls the ball and if you put someone who regularly offers him an over/underlap then he's deadly because you can't stand off him and if you get too tight he'll beat you. Against a set defence teams will just sit off Cunha and give him a bit of space because his passing won't hurt you and he'll be limited to taking spot shots or recycling possession.

United are already 6th in the league for possession and part of the reason that's not higher is because our forward players aren't great in tight spaces (the bigger factor is a lack of progression from deep, but that's another issue to solve). Teams already sit back against us and we have a lot of the ball. We need players who are suited to that type of football and Cunha isn't. If all goes to plan we're going to get more possession and control in years to come anyway, not less, which will see Cunha struggle further.

2) That's part of them problem, isn't it? Buying a player who doesn't really excel in any position outside of a 3-4-2-1 for massive money and then having to tell a new manager who doesn't want to play that formation "yeah, make it work" is pretty disastrous squad building. Mbeumo at least a manager can stick out on the wing as a wide forward and get some joy out of it, he's always going to have a role in the team one way or another. Cunha has already shown he can't play out wide and he really, really struggles leading the line. So he's left as what? A second striker with average creativity and poor-ish goal output?
 
Josep Dowling said:
That mindset is why the club is financially crippled. He’s not worth £70m. I don’t even think he’s worth £60m. A smart club (I.e not Manchester United) tells him to wait a season when he has one year left on his contract and we buy him on the cheap. That’s what Real Madrid do.
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Not arguing or anything but Real Madrid has the luxury of doing that
 
Dion said:
1) Amad is far, far more technically skilled than Cunha though, like by a lot. His skills in tight spaces are on a totally different level and while he's not a match for Cunha in terms of running past people who are running back to their own goal, he's much better at beating a man from a standing start 1v1. Cunha is not that type of player and his close control, acceleration and technique aren't good enough to do it regularly. What Amad lacked was physicality and experience, both things you can get with time but his game fundamentally suits playing in a team that controls the ball and if you put someone who regularly offers him an over/underlap then he's deadly because you can't stand off him and if you get too tight he'll beat you. Against a set defence teams will just sit off Cunha and give him a bit of space because his passing won't hurt you and he'll be limited to taking spot shots or recycling possession.

United are already 6th in the league for possession and part of the reason that's not higher is because our forward players aren't great in tight spaces (the bigger factor is a lack of progression from deep, but that's another issue to solve). Teams already sit back against us and we have a lot of the ball. We need players who are suited to that type of football and Cunha isn't. If all goes to plan we're going to get more possession and control in years to come anyway, not less, which will see Cunha struggle further.

2) That's part of them problem, isn't it? Buying a player who doesn't really excel in any position outside of a 3-4-2-1 for massive money and then having to tell a new manager who doesn't want to play that formation "yeah, make it work" is pretty disastrous squad building. Mbeumo at least a manager can stick out on the wing as a wide forward and get some joy out of it, he's always going to have a role in the team one way or another. Cunha has already shown he can't play out wide and he really, really struggles leading the line. So he's left as what? A second striker with average creativity and poor-ish goal output?
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feck sake at least let Cunha play one match for us before you write him off.
 
Never underestimate the lengths media/socials go to find a negative in every deal.

But why fight it, give him a social media frenzy 350k a week, convert it into whatever currency you like, Mbeumo will be lucky to get half but why let reality get in the way.
 
Josep Dowling said:
That mindset is why the club is financially crippled. He’s not worth £70m. I don’t even think he’s worth £60m. A smart club (I.e not Manchester United) tells him to wait a season when he has one year left on his contract and we buy him on the cheap. That’s what Real Madrid do.
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According to the PSR tier release the rumors of our financial demise were greatly exaggerated.
 
Rockets Redglare said:
feck sake at least let Cunha play one match for us before you write him off.
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How about you stop worrying about what I think about a player, and instead of crying about other people having opinions (on a player who has over 250 career games) you just do you, in peace?
 
MaxZorin said:
If our initial bid is 45+10, and they insist on the likes of sixty, we should walk.

I know, but 'United Tax' has butchered us for a generation. We cannot continue going into negotiations paying above and beyond any more.

Walk and let Brentford console their man why his move broke down. We can get him cheaper later if it goes to plan.
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It’s not the time to walk , an agreement will be made. He wants to go but Brentford are well entitled to negotiate what they want also.
 
A little bit of a meltdown going on here in the last few pages…..let’s not believe everything we hear. The media love a crazy wage/fee story about United it will never change. The narrative that we will fail to attract players because we’ve no Europe has died a little .
 
Who do people here rate more? Mbeumo or Kudus? Wouldn’t have minded kudus either to be honest. Seems to me he has that extra flair to his game but Mbeumo has effectiveness and has added goals to his game so not complaining at all. Just sign him asap.
 
United will never die said:
Who do people here rate more? Mbeumo or Kudus? Wouldn’t have minded kudus either to be honest. Seems to me he has that extra flair to his game but Mbeumo has effectiveness and has added goals to his game so not complaining at all. Just sign him asap.
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Saudi were talking off a deal worth €85m for Kudus. Thats way overrated.
 
United will never die said:
Who do people here rate more? Mbeumo or Kudus? Wouldn’t have minded kudus either to be honest. Seems to me he has that extra flair to his game but Mbeumo has effectiveness and has added goals to his game so not complaining at all. Just sign him asap.
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I'd be really happy with Kudus too if West Ham sell for some reasonable amount. Last I checked, they wanted 70M or something for him. And beyond just running with the ball, I don't think he's close to Mbeumo in anything else (shooting, off the ball running, crossing).
 
United will never die said:
Who do people here rate more? Mbeumo or Kudus? Wouldn’t have minded kudus either to be honest. Seems to me he has that extra flair to his game but Mbeumo has effectiveness and has added goals to his game so not complaining at all. Just sign him asap.
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100% Mbeumo for me, who I think is a lot of consistent. Kudus reminds me of Allan Saint Maximin at Newcastle, looks world class one week and then goes 6 games without noticing he’s on the pitch. A luxury player.
 
MaxZorin said:
If our initial bid is 45+10, and they insist on the likes of sixty, we should walk.

I know, but 'United Tax' has butchered us for a generation. We cannot continue going into negotiations paying above and beyond any more.

Walk and let Brentford console their man why his move broke down. We can get him cheaper later if it goes to plan.
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This isn't Anthony where our scouts rated him at 30 and we paid 80.

We made an opening bid and expectations are that we will close at 5m more on the total amount with those addons being more attainable based on Mbeuno himself rather than the team. Chances are the hold up is now defining how many payments and when they are due, which is a big thing PSR wise especially this window.
 
sullydnl said:
I hope you're not anyone's financial advisor. :lol:
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I think the context of my quote makes it clear that I am not suggesting we just pay any old astronomical fee that Brentford wants simply if we pay it in instalments. I was quite clearly speaking from the context of the range of prices we've seen in the media. It doesn't matter whether we get him for our price or there's or someplace in between if the payment schedule is highly favorable to us, it actually makes more sense to pay 'more' for the player in exchange for more years to pay it. 15 million a year for five years is much much much more favorable than 50 million in one lump sum or two payments of 25-30. I hope you aren't anyone's context clues advisor. ;)
 
Josep Dowling said:
That mindset is why the club is financially crippled. He’s not worth £70m. I don’t even think he’s worth £60m. A smart club (I.e not Manchester United) tells him to wait a season when he has one year left on his contract and we buy him on the cheap. That’s what Real Madrid do.
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We aren't financially crippled.

If he isn't worth 60 then Garnacho isn't worth 60, and the likes of Rashford, Antony, and Sancho aren't worth 10-20.

If we were in a much better climate band and one of only two teams in our league that anyone wants to play for and were in the Champions League every year without competition then maybe a comparison to Madrid would be useful. In reality, it's completely irrelevant.

He's premier league proven, under contract for one year plus an option, the team selling doesn't need the money. He's worth as much as Cunha. And so, as I already said, whether we play 55 or 60 doesn't matter as much as the terms of the payment schedule.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Edwards is such a nob.

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Nobody ever says "he's only going for the money" if a player picks Real Madrid over Getafe or whoever. It's about prestige.

Yes we're shit but even at our lowest we still remain magnitudes above Newcastle in terms of drawing top talent. Nobody outside of the north east grew up dreaming of playing in St James Park.
 
Josep Dowling said:
That mindset is why the club is financially crippled. He’s not worth £70m. I don’t even think he’s worth £60m. A smart club (I.e not Manchester United) tells him to wait a season when he has one year left on his contract and we buy him on the cheap. That’s what Real Madrid do.
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I've heard variations of this argument so many times .. I remember the FDJ, Sancho, Sanchez, Pogba sagas. Who cares about an extra 10-20m, not my money, just throw it at them. This is why we're here.
 
Dion said:
1) Amad is far, far more technically skilled than Cunha though, like by a lot. His skills in tight spaces are on a totally different level and while he's not a match for Cunha in terms of running past people who are running back to their own goal, he's much better at beating a man from a standing start 1v1. Cunha is not that type of player and his close control, acceleration and technique aren't good enough to do it regularly. What Amad lacked was physicality and experience, both things you can get with time but his game fundamentally suits playing in a team that controls the ball and if you put someone who regularly offers him an over/underlap then he's deadly because you can't stand off him and if you get too tight he'll beat you. Against a set defence teams will just sit off Cunha and give him a bit of space because his passing won't hurt you and he'll be limited to taking spot shots or recycling possession.

United are already 6th in the league for possession and part of the reason that's not higher is because our forward players aren't great in tight spaces (the bigger factor is a lack of progression from deep, but that's another issue to solve). Teams already sit back against us and we have a lot of the ball. We need players who are suited to that type of football and Cunha isn't. If all goes to plan we're going to get more possession and control in years to come anyway, not less, which will see Cunha struggle further.

2) That's part of them problem, isn't it? Buying a player who doesn't really excel in any position outside of a 3-4-2-1 for massive money and then having to tell a new manager who doesn't want to play that formation "yeah, make it work" is pretty disastrous squad building. Mbeumo at least a manager can stick out on the wing as a wide forward and get some joy out of it, he's always going to have a role in the team one way or another. Cunha has already shown he can't play out wide and he really, really struggles leading the line. So he's left as what? A second striker with average creativity and poor-ish goal output?
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Interesting thoughts. Ultimately, we will have to see how he fares and we hope you are wrong.

1) I see Cunha as a different player to Amad as his 1 v 1 threat is more physical (feints, first step and upper body strength) and indirectly through one-twos and hold up play i.e when he's receiving the ball in movement. I think he's someone we could bounce off, give the ball to create half a yard for himself or others and he's robust enough to power his way through a set defence i.e line breaking and in the half spaces. I agree Amad is more agile and a better 1 v 1 threat at a standstill but they can both offer different types of penetration as long as the movement is there, hence why I've mentioned it before. I also don't think Cunha will be as nullified, if you just sit off him around the edge of the box because he has the first step of acceleration (and with his strength) to get separation to then either play a pass or open up the space. That is assuming he doesn't play passively of course, which could be a problem with a mercurial talent like him. However, I'm sure he wouldn't mind playing with Mbeumo, Amad, Bruno and Dorgu making the overlaps etc so hopefully the motivation and inspiration will be there.

As for our possession, teams sit off us because we're easy to counter and utterly toothless in attack. We lack physicality in both breaking through and stifling teams (through our pressing, passing and defending). IMO Cunha meets the base criteria in he won't be bullied in duels/possession in the final third, can hold the ball up and has the directness to open up the space. I would love a Cherki/Wirtz/Ozil but as I said before, I don't think we have the team profile or structure to allow them to flourish right away. Perhaps a KDB fresh from his Wolfburg exploits would work but where is that type of talent in the market? Of course we're both over simplifying and extrapolating but my concern is more of keeping the play in the final third and breaking down a team with a vigorous method rather than thinking about getting the talent that can play through the needle, who tend to be of specific (lesser) physical profiles.

2) My point was more that he's a talent capable of being productive for the team we aspire to be with my expectations being firmly middle low of the bar. Perhaps we can revisit this at the end of the transfer window and see if Cunha's profile makes more sense once we get an idea of INEOS' plan (i.e we bring in a midfielder with athleticism and technique in small spaces). I personally believe it's a calculated gamble of brute force attacking (pun intended) the problem.
 
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Poborsky's hair said:
he's jon snow, it's just a speculation based on assumptions. They might want more, but they will not get that. I think Mbeumo is a type of player who is no more than 60m, he's a great PL player and will work out for us very well I think but also with just below world class ceiling. 1 year left on his contract , plus option. Think he will go for 55 tops.
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Good meteorological metaphor

Biggest word I've ever wrote
 
that twitter thread is just him getting progressively more unhinged

 
I think I they're desperate to get back into the champions League so they'll probably get pretty close to 70 but I would respect them if they walked away. Though you know most of the fan base would lose their minds.
 
Walk away. Prioritize a striker and tell them we will come back, maybe, after offloading some of our players first unless they decrease their demand.
 
100% think we should walk away if this isn't done at £50m plus £10m add ons
 
No new Désiré Doué;s or Tony Martial's in the market?

We already signed an experience attacker and are going for Gyokeres (looks like), I won't mind if the third attacking signing is a young player with world class potential. Amad should also be coming to his own now. He is almost 23 and has decent amount of experience. It's time for him to deliver consistently.
 
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