Yeah, that and the new revision of Ryzen coming out in April.
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Yeah. I was planning on a Ryzen build this year but with both of those situations in mind, I think I'll stick to my i5 4590 till next year.
Why the hell are RAM prices so high anyway? Price fixing?
Smartphone production is gobbling up ram chips, production has not ramped up accordingly so far. Also the entire production is in the hands of three companies (Samsung, Micron, SK Hynix), so price fixing is likely.
Looking at price charts for ram kits on the market since ~2016 brings tears to my eyes. Prices are mostly >100% over their minimum value now, and many kits are even more expensive than the price point they had at their introduction. Absolutely shit times for buying new RAM.
I was going to build a PC but ended up getting one of these from laptops direct for £700 with a pretty big monitor, it was an A1 refurb but came in perfect condition.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-env...ish-in-natural-silver/5760707.p?skuId=5760707
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-env...ish-in-natural-silver/5760707.p?skuId=5760707
I'll still build a new PC some time this year, but maybe go for second hand RAM.
Processors do my head in. I assumed that i3 is not as good as i5 and 17 is best.
My desktop has a quad core Xeon and comparison websites say it beats my i3 laptop and also an i7 desktop I saw going cheap today.
CPU Mark Rating
Higher results represent better performance
Intel Xeon W3540 @ 2.93GHz 5,479
Intel Core i3-2330M @ 2.20GHz 2,524
Seems the one I have now is pretty good. Just wonder why it isn't faster.
My desktop has a quad core Xeon and comparison websites say it beats my i3 laptop and also an i7 desktop I saw going cheap today.
CPU Mark Rating
Higher results represent better performance
Intel Xeon W3540 @ 2.93GHz 5,479
Intel Core i3-2330M @ 2.20GHz 2,524
Seems the one I have now is pretty good. Just wonder why it isn't faster.
So I have my new computer, but there are no Windows 10 drivers for my printer.
It has been suggested that I could try Windows 8 or even 7 drivers and it might work.
What do people reckon?
It has been suggested that I could try Windows 8 or even 7 drivers and it might work.
What do people reckon?
I have a 10 year old stationary computer which is starting to give up. I have a new harddrive and cpu fan (fan isn't installed) and want to replace everything else as it either can't keep up or is starting to give up (power supply sounds like a cement mixer at times). I'm thinking that rebuilding the one I have is the better option rather than buying a whole new chassis. Can I as a somewhat noob rebuild it myself or do you need some special skills to do that?
that depends, is it pre-built?
Desktops pre-built by the big companies like Dell, HP etc. are usually intentionally done so that you can't 'replace' parts and instead have to go into them to do it.
also 10 years is a pretty long time in PC world, Mobo slots and such have changed a bit since then.
So yeah, you'd have a tough time, and anyway, the case is one of the cheapest parts of building a PC so is it really worth the pain?
Best to go with windows 8 or 8.1 drivers
Thanks, I'll give it a go.
You'll have to buy a new:-
-cpu
-motherboard
-ddr4 ram
-gpu (if required)
-psu
You can keep the old case/cabinet if it has decent ventilation. You can use the old monitor (make sure your gpu is vga compatible) and keyboard, mouse etc.
by the way it's an absolutely terrible time to build a PC so I'd avoid it if possible. RAM and GPU prices have both doubled in the last year due to demand.
No it isn't pre-built, I chose all the parts when I bought it and had the company I bought it from build it. It wouldn't be the end of the world if I had to buy a new case but I wouldn't want to buy a new complete computer as that would be a waste of the €200 I spent on the harddrive and fan, so I guess that makes it worth the pain to build it myself. I asked the same company if they could build me a new computer without a harddrive and cpu fan but they said no for some unexplained reason. You'd think they could build 80% of a computer if they can build 100% of one, but apparently not.
Yea it's not exactly cheap. But unfortunately I don't think my computer will hang on much longer, it's on its last legs.
Didn't think about the gpu having to be vga compatible. Thanks!
Im assuming your 10 year old monitor doesn't have dvi/hdmi ports, if they do then you dont need vga.
Btw my pc is 11 years old!
No you're right, it's vga.
We all know that if you replace your computer more than once a decade you're not doing it right.
No good, not even a Windows 7 driver available.
Very few graphics cards and mainboards still come with a vga port, but not to worry, one of those
will sort you out.
I’m hoping that it leads to another golden era of hardware development though with chip companies reinvesting their profits. It stagnated a little after a flourish during the height of PC Gaming era in the early 2000’s. Then consoles really took over and then we reached somewhere close to peak frequencies due to temperature constraints.
The next move(after the next gen which is in the pipeline taking it down to 5nm IIRC) is likely going to be towards massively parallel chips, 16/32/64/128/256+ cores. Again, something that ASIC has been leading the way with albeit with a very different architecture.
For anyone who is looking for a decent cpu that is coupled with entry level 1080p graphics then the new AMD APU looks like a decent bargain at the moment. It features both a ryzen processor coupled with vega graphics to give an all in one chip. Couple that with 8gb of Ram and it isn't bad value at all for anyone who does very light gaming and needs there PC for more office/work related tasks.Normally im not a fan of APU's but with the price of graphics cards being so high, this makes sense for anyone who doesn't need the power of a dedicated card.
What is the name and model number of your printer. It might come down to you purchasing another printer .Prices are cheap for inkjet printers and black and white laser printers
I'm afraid it's time to bite the bullet and let this printer go. The last driver update for this was 2002 .The only solution is to revert your windows 10 back to Windows 7 .Epson EPL5900L - The bread bin of printers:
I fecking hate printer drivers, and they hate me as well.
wtf? The date on the box is January 2002!
Ok correction.Have you tried the software updater from the Epson site
http://tech.epson.com.au/downloads/product.asp
I saw that last night, but wasn't sure, as it's for Australia. I will give it a go this evening, thanks.
Ah, seeing that picture made me realise that I mixed up the names of the ports. I have dvi, not vga. Not that it matters but just wanted right to be right as we say over here. Did I mention that I'm a bit of a noob?..Very few graphics cards and mainboards still come with a vga port, but not to worry, one of those
will sort you out.
Good, in that case you should be fine no matter what you getAh, seeing that picture made me realise that I mixed up the names of the ports. I have dvi, not vga. Not that it matters but just wanted right to be right as we say over here. Did I mention that I'm a bit of a noob?..
Btw, for all of you with old PCs and limited need for gaming capabilies, AMD hast just released its latest CPU+GPU combo processors, the Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G. They are capable of playing popular current MMOs at 720 to 1080p with somewhat reduced settings (obliterating the performance of Intel's integrated GPUs), while also doing office work and rendering stuff on the level of Intel's current i3 8000 to i5 8000 levels.
The only thing going against getting those parts right now is RAM pricing.
I was looking at building my first desktop gaming pc but with the mad prices i've been told a prebuilt might be a better solution. In that case, could anyone give me some advice on what i should be looking at getting? I'd like to play new games at decent fps, i've been playing a lot of World of Warcraft recently and that'll probably continue with the new expansion coming later this year. For WoW in particular, i've heard a strong CPU is needed. So say i want to spend less than a grand, preferably somewhere like £750 what sort of thing should i be looking for?
Didn't give any updates for my printer, unfortunately. Took an age to download too.
prebuilt is never the better solution.
Time to get a new printer or install Windows 7 or 8 . Currys as a good deal on a mono laser printer.
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/compu...26-monochrome-laser-printer-10132965-pdt.html
Im waiting for the upcoming new i5's.Good, in that case you should be fine no matter what you get
Btw, for all of you with old PCs and limited need for gaming capabilies, AMD hast just released its latest CPU+GPU combo processors, the Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 5 2400G. They are capable of playing popular current MMOs at 720 to 1080p with somewhat reduced settings (obliterating the performance of Intel's integrated GPUs), while also doing office work and rendering stuff on the level of Intel's current i3 8000 to i5 8000 levels.
The only thing going against getting those parts right now is RAM pricing.
There's no immediately upcoming new i5s, the 8000 series (Coffee Lake) is rather recent. Rumor has it that the successor (Cannon Lake) is reduced to 2-core ultramobile parts only, due to the new 10nm manufacturing which is not yet running smoothly.
On top of that, Intel is yet to release affordable chipsets for their current 8000 series processor lineup. All in all, if your application profile is office, light to medium productivity, and some gaming, you're not finding anything better than AMD's Raven Ridge APUs right now.
Considering how minimal the difference is in performance with each new Intel generation it's hardly worth waiting anyway.
The 7600k is only about 25% more powerful than the 3570k.
The 7600k is only about 25% more powerful than the 3570k.
Have the same caseIt's a work of art. Shame photos don't do it justice. Just the CPU left..
ryzen 1600 6 core 3.2ghz
asus 1060 6gb expedition
corsair 16gb 3000mhz ram
500gb samsung ssd
3tb toshiba hd
probably should have bought a 1070 considering the prices these days
Quality, similar to mine. I'm thinking of getting an LG ultrawide monitor later this year.Have the same case
Built it last summer for £1070, using a 1200p monitor
ryzen 1600 6 core 3.2ghz
asus 1060 6gb expedition
corsair 16gb 3000mhz ram
500gb samsung ssd
3tb toshiba hd
probably should have bought a 1070 considering the prices these days
Intel will be releasing Ice lake this year. I'll like to skip coffee lake and cannon lake, because the former is a rehashed version of earlier versions, i believe they've used the same 14nm architecture for the past 4-5 iterations since 2014 and ive only read bad things about cannon lake. I intend to game aswell and the games i play usually perform better with cpu's that have higher per core speeds than the number of cores. I dont think there are many games that utilize more than 4 cores ?
Im one of those people who intend to run there pc's for a decade, for that to succeed i cant use cpu's that are old or rehashed with some tweaks here and there. My current pc cpu was built on 65nm architecture, i bought that in 2007. By 2008 intel had 45nm cpu's, then next year they had 32nm cpu's, then 22nm cpu's in 2013. In 2014 intel launched 14nm cpu's and since then they've been rehashing the same with minor improvements.
Ice lake is likely to slip through to 2019.
Right now there's indeed only a select few of games utilizing more than 4 cores/threads. However, frame-to-frame variance is often lower on 6 and 8 core (12/16 threads with multithreading) parts, so it's not a bad idea to go for at least six cores when getting a new PC which will be used for 4-5 years.
The slow down in manufacturing is down to the fast approach of hard physical limits to miniaturization. The traditional lithographic methods get to smaller structures by using shorter wavelength light, but manufacturing cost is getting more and more expensive in doing so.
Right now there's indeed only a select few of games utilizing more than 4 cores/threads. However, frame-to-frame variance is often lower on 6 and 8 core (12/16 threads with multithreading) parts, so it's not a bad idea to go for at least six cores when getting a new PC which will be used for 4-5 years.
The slow down in manufacturing is down to the fast approach of hard physical limits to miniaturization. The traditional lithographic methods get to smaller structures by using shorter wavelength light, but manufacturing cost is getting more and more expensive in doing so.
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