Players like McTominay should have stepped up and score a hattrick
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Yeah Garnacho was a bit anonymous truthfully, ETH tried him out on the right wing and he could not really get going clearly has no automatisms there just kept dribbling into traffic.
Mengi as well did ok at Derby with Rooney he is far from finished. Like you said, England really liked him and his temperament too. He just needs to stay fit and establish himself out on loan now, but we also can't hang around sadly either.
The only problem is with some of our homegrown defenders or at any top club really is you have no chance getting serious senior minutes unless you are a physical specimen whilst we are trying to compete at the top, so you are best case scenario at the very least two years in loan spells one in the championship/abroad then in the prem or top league away from being counted on as a serious option. Tuanzebe was the last to manage that immeadiate step and even he who has always been built like a brick shethouse ready for mens footy hasn't managed to stay fit and put it all together and he is 25 now.
Especially when there are big strong athletic lads around 22/23 that have been playing senior football for 5 years or so in Germany/France that can be picked up and are already street smart known quantities, like Evan Ndicka.
Same for Jurado as well really, he put in a good shift physically battled, put himself about and got forward, actually assisted Mainoo's goal with a sharp pass. Just think he is going to have bad timing not being quite ready before we fill that spot with a more senior player in Frimpong. I fear the same for Alvaro Fernandez who I really like too but two senior players ahead of him now too.
I’d amend the part about Savage giving away the goal because to me it looked like a terribly wild pass to him that he wasn’t able to control, rather than him having the ball and making a bad pass.
Will be a character building experience for the young players,does show the gulf between U21's and even fringes of first team though.
Think if the first half team could have given them a lead it may have given the second half one a chance of getting a draw.
Think if the first half team could have given them a lead it may have given the second half one a chance of getting a draw.
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Yeah that sums it up nicely,perhaps Jurado could do with a loan like Fernandez with Preston
I don’t see the point of playing so many youth level players in the mid-season friendly. Our senior squad could use some more minutes on the pitch.
Come on guys, this was a friendly, a match to restore sharpness for some and to give others a rare taste of what it’s like to play against experienced professionals.
Well some of the senior squad available did play.
I think it is great that the kids got to play against a fully-fit La Liga side which probably played their full strength (?) side, as compared to them playing unfit sides only in pre-season.
We probably aren’t getting any new transfers in January (fingers crossed for a CF), so this also gives EtH a better look at potential backups coming from the reserve team. Would love to see Iqbal and possibly Mainoo get some first team minutes before season’s end.
We probably aren’t getting any new transfers in January (fingers crossed for a CF), so this also gives EtH a better look at potential backups coming from the reserve team. Would love to see Iqbal and possibly Mainoo get some first team minutes before season’s end.
Well said!
Criticism of the starting XI is fair enough, though even there allowances need to be made for rustiness etc.
Not a good look on ETH this.
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It does say something about our subs though nothing new that we didn't know.
The World Cup
Fifa going around messing up another competition. #Glazersout.
I'll take it!
By being the best reserve team player, scoring on his debut for the first team and in general showing glimpses of workrate, dribbling and goal threat. By glimpses I don't mean that it right now looks like he has a future at United, not even as a backup (unless he turns into som hybrid fullback like Valencia) but it's still clear he has potential to do ok at a mid-to-lower level PL club in some capacity. Maybe a loan will do wonders for him.
Which you could barely say for many former academy players who have been promoted to the first team - with Blackett being the standout player in a negative way. His inclusion was utterly bizarre (kinda like Mourinho's protest by playing McT at CB away at West Ham), a player who had shown nothing to suggest he should be promoted.
Seems like the obvious solution is to loan them to leagues where physicality isn't quite as important, like maybe the Segunda or ideally probably to Brazil, Japan or Korea though culture shock and distance seems to preclude that. But it would be an interesting way of getting them time where they're dealing with clever strikers who aren't necessarily units.
Patience with young players is warranted. But they need the older players to talk and guide them through these games.
The first half performances by AWB, Donny, McT were a joke. Williams was poor and Liindelof not much better. Hard for young players to prosper and look good when they are surrounded by senior players who are utter garbage.
For me, young players learn better when they vibe into a settle team and there isn’t as much pressure as seniors will cover for your errors. Think back to the team when the CO92 were breaking through. The amount of experience they had in a settled team.
now they play in a match like this, looking to AWB, Lindelof and McTominay for leadership and help? Good luck to them.
I don’t criticise the kids, they are young and learning. It’s clear to see that some expectations on them is too much, let them have that time to develop properly. In the meantime we have to upgrade on our choices instead of AWB, Lindelof etc
Won't win any mid-season friendlies with kids.
Writing off 17 year olds playing a team in La Liga
As a slight FYI - only Mainoo and Fredricson were 17 out of those who played yesterday.Writing off 17 year olds playing a team in La Liga
They're also the two who I reckon have the most chance of making it out of those who featured (along with Garnacho and perhaps Iqbal).
Yeah, imagine being on that right wing and looking for guidance off AWB? Or looking to McT or Donny for help in midfield?
These guys aren't good enough, it's doing a disservice to youth players to have them trying to learn beside these clowns.
I didn't see the game, but it seems to me that our experienced players didn't really help or support our academy boys a lot, Martial has not really been mentioned so I assume he was at least a bit supportive.
I've watched these players for the first team, and apart from McTominay, they all seem too quiet on the pitch, not leaders at all, unlike Varane, Martinez, Casemiro, Eriksen and Fernandes, we certainly miss those guys. McTominay always seemed quite vocal on the pitch, so I'm surprised if he didn't talk to, and encourage the youngsters.
Watched the first half and AWB, McT, Lindelof & Donny were pretty rubbish,
I know it's a friendly, but those young players need to learn jn these games. Not much chance of learning of those guys when they play like that.
I thought Williams was good.
I doubt any of those youngsters will make it at Utd
Kobbie Mainoo , Garnacho and Zidane will make it here I believe.
Maybe about the likes of Donny. However, in the 2nd half, it was literally a bunch of players who will not be ready for the first team for at least 2 more years. The best thing is that some of them, like Mainoo, actually impressed and had the courage to attack a La Liga defence and score.
I agree
Pretty much. It was about match fitness for the starters and introduction to senior football for the subs.
Didn't see any of the game - did McNeil get some game time? what was he like?
I didn’t see the full game but watching Mainoo’s “every touch” video is impressive. He seems to be able to slow down and speed up play at will. Already looks very much in control.
In the second half. Didn't get much service.