Zen86
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How heartbreaking.
Nonsense. A man has taken his life leaving behind a young family. Why do you think that is?Too many are calling this a pile on, it was a mental story and the media coverage was justified. Cambridge University has serious questions that need answered.
There’s a really unfortunate but inevitable truth to this though. I’m not saying I agree with it before anyone comes for me on this…Nonsense. A man has taken his life leaving behind a young family. Why do you think that is?
Too many are calling this a pile on, it was a mental story and the media coverage was justified. Cambridge University has serious questions that need answered.
I agree with this post.There’s a really unfortunate but inevitable truth to this though. I’m not saying I agree with it before anyone comes for me on this…
If you lie as he did, and go after journalists who are attempting to expose your lies as he and Cambridge did, then I completely understand the media then wanting to have their moment to bare all.
It was made into something far bigger by his actions and the actions of those at Cambridge wanting to cover up essentially. The story could have broke back in 2023/2025 and been purely about plagiarism. It got turned into something more controversial and as there was an element of silencing media, it’s understandable why the media then went the direction it did.
None of this justifies the ending. But we can’t really be shocked by how events have unfolded with how our society is.
I just feel sorry for his family in all this now.
Campaign of “misinformation”? Bollocks.Arday’s family said in a statement: “Jason was subjected to a campaign of sustained abuse for more than three years since he accepted the role of professor at Cambridge University by those who would leave no stone unturned in their quest to undermine him.
“The campaign of misinformation was too much for Jason, who was a gentle man and who always wanted to see the best in everyone.
“We are in shock to have lost this amazing father, partner, brother, uncle and son.
“We won’t comment further at this point beyond asking the press to leave us alone now, and to stop the campaign of harassment which has been waged against Jason and his family for too long.”
Agree with all of this.Campaign of “misinformation”? Bollocks.
He was a fecking chancer who got found out.
It’s obviously very sad he felt the need to take his own life. But this was rightfully a very public story legitimately in the public interest to know about.
I know it had a racial angle but would it have been different if he was white? A big difference? I’m not sure
The trouble is student experience is relevant. Cambridge is meant to be the institution of academic excellence so people will naturally be interested in hearing the experiences of those taught by someone who did what he did. I don’t think this can be spun as not public interest, that would be revisionist and naive I feel to believe the society we live in is far different to what it is.Some of the media coverage was certainly justified.
But when big media outlets are publishing stories with headlines like "I was Jason Arday's student. He was late to class and spouted nonsense", then it's fair to conclude they've moved past asking serious, public-interest questions and onto making content from attacking a public target. An article that was then pushed on social media via a paid-for-ad.
Unfortunately as is always the case in the UK it definitely will have played a role. The unfortunate thing is that it was used as a weapon in reverse too (if I’m understanding the situation correctly) and so that will also only inflame tensions. Again not saying it’s fair but this is a reflection of our current society.Campaign of “misinformation”? Bollocks.
He was a fecking chancer who got found out.
It’s obviously very sad he felt the need to take his own life. But this was rightfully a very public story legitimately in the public interest to know about.
I know it had a racial angle but would it have been different if he was white? A big difference? I’m not sure
“The campaign of misinformation was too much for Jason, who was a gentle man and who always wanted to see the best in everyone.
“We are in shock to have lost this amazing father, partner, brother, uncle and son.
“We won’t comment further at this point beyond asking the press to leave us alone now, and to stop the campaign of harassment which has been waged against Jason and his family for too long.”
Some of the media coverage was certainly justified.
But when big media outlets are publishing stories with headlines like "I was Jason Arday's student. He was late to class and spouted nonsense", then it's fair to conclude they've moved past asking serious, public-interest questions and onto making content from attacking a public target. An article that was then pushed on social media via a paid-for-ad.
Ah I see, didn't catch thatAlthough people have questioned his doctorate, he still held it at the time of his passing. I'm assuming it wasn't deliberate, but it does take away a qualification that he had.
Some of the media coverage was certainly justified.
But when big media outlets are publishing stories with headlines like "I was Jason Arday's student. He was late to class and spouted nonsense", then it's fair to conclude they've moved past asking serious, public-interest questions and onto making content from attacking a public target. An article that was then pushed on social media via a paid-for-ad.
Jason Arday, the academic who resigned last week as a professor at the University of Cambridge, has been found dead at his home in south London.
The Metropolitan police said officers were called to Arday’s address by the London ambulance service after 3pm on Friday.
Arday was appointed professor of sociology of education at Cambridge in 2023, and was the university’s youngest-ever black professor. But he resigned last week after accusations of plagiarism and inconsistencies in statements about his career and achievements.
But other elements of his life story were increasingly questioned, including claims of prodigious money-raising for charity and feats of long-distance running.
He was also challenged about whether he was nonverbal as a child.
Same reason why some in the thread were absolutely frothing at the mouth over it.Sadly it felt inevitable. I get it was quite extraordinary that his lies were so extensive, but I still don't get why Mail/Telegraph went so hard.... except the obvious
Same reason why some in the thread were absolutely frothing at the mouth over it.
Just weird such an uninteresting story even got it's own thread on a football message board in the first place.
Utter rubbish. A man is dead and two young children have lost their father forever. That's justified for you is it?Too many are calling this a pile on, it was a mental story and the media coverage was justified. Cambridge University has serious questions that need answered.
You actually have any links to backup what you said ? Or you just made it up?He seemingly lied about having multiple types of cancer. He also tried to silence those who were exposing his lies. I don't believe the press were unduly harsh on him tbh.
It wasn’t an uninteresting story.Just weird such an uninteresting story even got it's own thread on a football message board in the first place.
Don't agree at all in terms of the media coverage being justified and that it wasn't a pile on. It wasn't justified in terms of their relentlessness and handling of it, and in various areas, was a racially fueled pile on.Too many are calling this a pile on, it was a mental story and the media coverage was justified. Cambridge University has serious questions that need answered.
It certainly has and a very sad outcome.All I know is that this scandal has brought out the worst in both sides. Cambridge and co didn’t stop to think of the consequences of engineering a cover up with the fall guy being someone clearly unsuited to handle that level of scrutiny. The racist angle from portions of the media (especially media outside the UK who seem to be obsessed with us). Not one person stopped to think about the man in question and what his needs were. Failure on all parts. I even got to question the support and guidance he was getting from his inner circle.
Not only he claimed to have had brain tumor, but claimed to have done surgery there just two weeks before his viva.You actually have any links to backup what you said ? Or you just made it up?
People need to take personal responsibility. Yes organisations have ignored what’s been going on - but it was him, and him alone that made up the stories, and he did so for personal gain, it was him who was completely dishonest about who he was, him who lied and cheated. His death doesn’t change any of that.Don't agree at all in terms of the media coverage being justified and that it wasn't a pile on. It wasn't justified in terms of their relentlessness and handling of it, and in various areas, was a racially fueled pile on.
Arday was failed on multiple fronts, and quite clearly needed help.
It was a failure of Cambridge to not do the correct vetting processes, and in this thread it appears that academia has a general failing in this area which it needs to address. It was also a failing of the media in terms of the way they handled this story and let it play out.
Not to say that absolves him of any wrongdoing, he shouldn't have lied and exaggerated to try and get into a position where he was teaching people who relied on him to be acting in good faith but if the extent of some of the lies that he was putting forward are true then they had a problem which wasn't helped, and if correct proceedings were followed by those at Cambridge, he would never have been anywhere near becoming a Professor there.
Well put. My only reservation is your comment on negative impact on black academics. Not sure there will be any. Blacks are so severely under represented in academic positions - like a needle in the hay stack really. Just terribly sad all round.It certainly has and a very sad outcome.
An academic blagging his way into a top job wouldn't normally be overly big news, but this story featured such a remarkable combination of factors.
The inspirational young working class black man overcoming terrible disabilities to land the prestigious role. Cambridge Uni, which had been embroiled in race scandals, seemingly then sweeping plagiarism allegations under the carpet and gunning for the press.
The Good Law Project, another right wing media bête noire, wading in no doubt inflamed the gutter press more.
The weird elements like Andy Murray being inspired by Arday's tale of completing multiple marathons with a broken leg all added to the newsworthiness.
Tragedy for his young family though. Terrible for black academics elsewhere who feel undermined and awful the whole case provided fuel for the anti-DEI voices and racists.
Arday paid the ultimate price, but the media won't face any real come-back and the uni probably just suffers a bit of short-term embarrassment.
There's already a whole industry of US conservatives desperate to try and attack academics of colour and find any traces of plagiarism or other impropriety in their work to discredit them.Well put. My only reservation is your comment on negative impact on black academics. Not sure there will be any. Blacks are so severely under represented in academic positions - like a needle in the hay stack really. Just terribly sad all round.
And the next time a black academic attempts to rise like this fraud did they will be heavily scrutinised and no stone will be left unturned, no doubt.Well put. My only reservation is your comment on negative impact on black academics. Not sure there will be any. Blacks are so severely under represented in academic positions - like a needle in the hay stack really. Just terribly sad all round.
People need to take personal responsibility. Yes organisations have ignored what’s been going on - but it was him, and him alone that made up the stories, and he did so for personal gain, it was him who was completely dishonest about who he was, him who lied and cheated. His death doesn’t change any of that.
@ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg See above.Those who facilitated his rise at Cambridge, and the media have blood on their hands. He was clearly mentally ill, so the relentless focus on him by the media was careless. After his resignation, focus should have shifted more to Cambridge’s systemic failings than the lies of a sick person. Though, I guess in the end they got what they wanted.
Here's my controversial 2 cents.The question that should be asked is why this was such a big story to begin with, and I don't think it's the media only.
Media plays a big role, but media is essentially click driven business. You spot a story, smell blood, and you divert your resources in that direction, hoping for best outcome. Meaning, more clicks.
But the moment you spot a story is the key here. It would have died right on the first few articles if public wasn't giving media the feedback that this is what they want to read.
Arday was a fraud, yes. But how much of what he lied about has impacted life of his students? I am sad to read how Dinostar77 saw him as a role model for his kid, but even such lie is not something that would affect his actual teaching work. So basically, it comes down to falsifying his CV and that is something very prevalent, far more than we want to believe. So, in 99% of cases, it is a non story.
So why has it become such a big story in this particular instance? Why has it created this terryfing loop where media want to destroy someone completely because it sees how blood thirsty public reacts to it?
One answer is obviously feeling of injustice, both for journalists who tried to expose Arday earlier, and for public, who felt that pillars of society were shaken by conman teaching the kids. Feeling of being treated unjustly, directly or indirectly, can make people want revenge in ugly ways. But then again, for average Joe, there are far more unjust things happening on daily basis, and there is quiet acceptance, it doesn't even make them feel this uncomfortable.
So why have they, along with media, created a sickening loop that kept feeding itself until Arday was so overwhelmed that he saw suicide as his only way out?
I wouldn't go on claiming racism straight away, but I feel like we are out of options. All of media might not have had racist angle to this, but they all banked on lowest instincts in human being, they completely detached even the mere possibility of feeling empathy for Arday. He was practically dehumanized.
The question that should be asked is why this was such a big story to begin with, and I don't think it's the media only.
Media plays a big role, but media is essentially click driven business. You spot a story, smell blood, and you divert your resources in that direction, hoping for best outcome. Meaning, more clicks.
But the moment you spot a story is the key here. It would have died right on the first few articles if public wasn't giving media the feedback that this is what they want to read.
Arday was a fraud, yes. But how much of what he lied about has impacted life of his students? I am sad to read how Dinostar77 saw him as a role model for his kid, but even such lie is not something that would affect his actual teaching work. So basically, it comes down to falsifying his CV and that is something very prevalent, far more than we want to believe. So, in 99% of cases, it is a non story.
So why has it become such a big story in this particular instance? Why has it created this terryfing loop where media want to destroy someone completely because it sees how blood thirsty public reacts to it?
One answer is obviously feeling of injustice, both for journalists who tried to expose Arday earlier, and for public, who felt that pillars of society were shaken by conman teaching the kids. Feeling of being treated unjustly, directly or indirectly, can make people want revenge in ugly ways. But then again, for average Joe, there are far more unjust things happening on daily basis, and there is quiet acceptance, it doesn't even make them feel this uncomfortable.
So why have they, along with media, created a sickening loop that kept feeding itself until Arday was so overwhelmed that he saw suicide as his only way out?
I wouldn't go on claiming racism straight away, but I feel like we are out of options. All of media might not have had racist angle to this, but they all banked on lowest instincts in human being, they completely detached even the mere possibility of feeling empathy for Arday. He was practically dehumanized.