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No one is going to win the league as long as pep is here.
Yeah but Conte doesn't seem to fully get it just yetThis is Spurs we're talking about though.
Yeah, his scalp seems fairly thick for the moment.Yeah but Conte doesn't seem to fully get it just yet
Not that much of a difference in quality.Kane, Son, Kulusevski, Richarlison …..compare these to Utd’s forwards ffs!
Kane and Son is probably league's best. Kulu and Richarlison are just okay . Sancho will have a better numbers than Richarlison this season.Kane, Son, Kulusevski, Richarlison …..compare these to Utd’s forwards ffs!
Assuming the United forwards are on top form then it would be close.Not that much of a difference in quality.
Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Martial
I actually agree with you on this. People need to stop thinking about first XI's and a few back ups. You need quality right through your squad, otherwise you get in the situation we got in last year where as soon asWell yes in terms of the signings we are making to improve the squad then clearly we are now heading that direction. It's not where you came from that matters, it's where you are going.
Genuinely not sure if serious…Not that much of a difference in quality.
Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford, Martial
Disagree.Genuinely not sure if serious…
There’s a HUGE difference in the quality of Sancho, Rashford and Martial vs Son, Kulu and Richarlison!
No there isnt.Genuinely not sure if serious…
There’s a HUGE difference in the quality of Sancho, Rashford and Martial vs Son, Kulu and Richarlison!
I would certainly take Spurs' group but I think its closer than people make out.Kane, Son, Kulusevski, Richarlison …..compare these to Utd’s forwards ffs!
Good thing we just signed a player to ease their workload then.I would certainly take Spurs' group but I think its closer than people make out.
Two years ago, nobody was saying Son was streets ahead of Rashford. His last two years have blown Rashford out of the water, but Son is 30 and Rashford is 24 so assuming the next couple years will go like the last two is pretty dubious. Kulusevski had a fantastic spring but there was a lot of XG over performance involved, especially getting 8 assists on an xA of 3.5. I definitely don't think he has shown more than Sancho in his career. Nine months ago Sancho was one of the hottest young properties in Europe and Kulu was a failed Juve transfer.
In the end, a lot really rides on the assumption that Kane/Son will sustain their incredible performance level over the last two years.
Son, for example, before 20-21 had played > 2500 minutes in a league season only once in his career and had ranged from 18-21 goal contributions in his prior four seasons. Last two years he has been an ironman playing over 3000 league minutes each year and averaged 30 goal contributions. Its been absolute peak performance but now he is entering typical post-peak age for a wideman. You can't just assume he keeps up that level. The same is true for Kane. He has played a massive number of minutes the last two years nearly injury free and has been fantastic barring the Nuno period when he was sulking and seemed a bit jaded. But it wasn't that long ago he was missing 10 league matches a season due to annual ankle injuries and at 29 he is becoming a decline risk as well.
Yeah, its the smart thing to do. But 1000 minutes less of Kane and Son on the pitch and 1000 minutes more of Richarlison on the pitch is still a downgrade.Good thing we just signed a player to ease their workload then.
Yes there is.No there isnt.
Esch, come on!I would certainly take Spurs' group but I think its closer than people make out.
Two years ago, nobody was saying Son was streets ahead of Rashford. His last two years have blown Rashford out of the water, but Son is 30 and Rashford is 24 so assuming the next couple years will go like the last two is pretty dubious. Kulusevski had a fantastic spring but there was a lot of XG over performance involved, especially getting 8 assists on an xA of 3.5. I definitely don't think he has shown more than Sancho in his career. Nine months ago Sancho was one of the hottest young properties in Europe and Kulu was a failed Juve transfer.
In the end, a lot really rides on the assumption that Kane/Son will sustain their incredible performance level over the last two years.
Son, for example, before 20-21 had played > 2500 minutes in a league season only once in his career and had ranged from 18-21 goal contributions in his prior four seasons. Last two years he has been an ironman playing over 3000 league minutes each year and averaged 30 goal contributions. Its been absolute peak performance but now he is entering typical post-peak age for a wideman. You can't just assume he keeps up that level. The same is true for Kane. He has played a massive number of minutes the last two years nearly injury free and has been fantastic barring the Nuno period when he was sulking and seemed a bit jaded. But it wasn't that long ago he was missing 10 league matches a season due to annual ankle injuries and at 29 he is becoming a decline risk as well.
But the players for us haven't had a proper perm coach whereas spurs have.Yes there is.
Son is one of the best players in the league for years now. Kane is one of the best strikers in Europe for years now. Rashford hasnt been in form for almost 2 seasons. Martial has been shit for 2 years.
The swedish guy had a better first season than Sancho although i think Sancho has more potential/footballing talent.
Ronaldo is old but still very good. However he isnt that much better than Son and/Kane anymore... if he is better at all.
No it's about not playing them against lower table teams and give enough rest between all of them. That will enhance Kane and son s general output in big games.Yeah, its the smart thing to do. But 1000 minutes less of Kane and Son on the pitch and 1000 minutes more of Richarlison on the pitch is still a downgrade.
Both things are true. They need to rest them more so they won’t break down and because of the insane fixture schedule. At the same time Spurs have benefited massively from both Kane and Son starting 35+ matches while producing at elite levels the last two years. It’s unsustainable but has also saved them.No it's about not playing them against lower table teams and give enough rest between all of them. That will enhance Kane and son s general output in big games.
Five sub rule also favoured heavy rotation and yet keep their performance at high level.
Two managers have done it. Conte and Klopp and they are the most likely ones to do it. Us or Chelsea can as well with a good season.No one is going to win the league as long as pep is here.
I think Haaland ruin the City attack is another possiblity. He does not seem to fully suit the way they play. Pep adapts a lot though.If Haaland goes down with a long-term injury, yes.
Yeah City, Pool, Chelsea I’d say are favourites in that order. United are a bit of an unknown, we could be amazing with a couple of transfers and if ETH is all that, Conte at Spurs is more easy to predict, will draw too many games to win the league but will be right in mix of top four I think.Two managers have done it. Conte and Klopp and they are the most likely ones to do it. Us or Chelsea can as well with a good season.
I did say that I’d definitely take Spurs’ group right now.Esch, come on!
Kane 2022 > Ronaldo 2022
Son 2022 > Sancho 2022
Kulusevski 2022 > Rashford 2022
Richarlison 2022 >Martial 2022
... Peresic 2022 > Elanga 2022
I agree with you. Liverpool and City have very good teams. However, Klopp and Conte have the same amount of PL titles, and Klopp has had 3 times longer in the league than Conte.I don’t buy this theory that the title must be reserved for either Pep or Klopp so long as they are in England. So long as the ball is round, no coach can simply have a monopoly on the game. Other top coaches will find ways of their own, and City and Liverpool can only have so many footballers at their disposal too. Even if they get the best out of theirs, they can’t stop other top managers getting the best out of theirs too. And Conte has already beaten City in head to heads, they are not unbeatable - they are a team of good footballers with a good manager, but they are not the only one, and they need to go out every season and be the best all over again.
Rashford was not roughly equal to Son a year ago? Son has been top for 5 seasons or so, eventough his goal producition has increased.I did say that I’d definitely take Spurs’ group right now.
The larger point is that if you did the same exercise a year ago you well might think Rashford was roughly equal to Son and you’d definitely put Sancho above Kulu. Predicting the future is hard and you can’t just assume that form over the last 6-12 months is some absolute level for any given player. This is especially true given that Spurs two best forwards are entering the typical decline years for PL forwards. In the summer of 2013 few PL forward pairings looked better than Van Persie and Rooney when they were similarly aged. How did that turn out?
Genuinely not sure if serious…
There’s a HUGE difference in the quality of Sancho, Rashford and Martial vs Son, Kulu and Richarlison!