Can we now safely say that our recruitment is much improved?

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How many signings from the last couple of seasons are starting to stand out? Cunha, Mbeumo, De Ligt..

It’s early days but Lammens is looking solid, Yoro looks like a top talent, as does Sesko, personally I think Dorgu has good potential. There’s one or two who aren’t quite hitting the mark, but overall I feel like we’re signing players who are actually cut out for representing Manchester United. There’s still a lot of work to do and overall quality needs improving, but it feels to me like we’re on the right track in this aspect.

The decision to target physically strong, mainly PL proven (where possible) has seen us now competing in most games. I think the next step is to add further technical ability to midfield and just keep going with this strategy. But whoever is in charge since INEOS got involved deserve some kudos.
 
I was thinking this myself, one or two clear misses but otherwise lots of decent players.
 
I'd say so. The new front three and keeper are all contributing so far this year. Probably one of our better windows in years.
 
It’s probably still too early to tell but I think there’s clear signs things are improving in this department and let’s be honest this is probably the biggest area we need improvement. To be fair, I said when Ineos came in it was nearly impossible to be as in incompetent as Woodward/The Glaziers because they literally had no football people involved in his decisions outside of the manager (abit). We have genuine football people now helping make decisions and that does go a long long way.
 
It's too early to conclusively say anything. But I do really like the signings of Mbeumo and Cunha, and said as much at the time.

Lets see how we handle the rebuild of midfield
 
I think the main difference is the apparent character of the new players. Grit, nous, game intelligence, mentality, call it what you will but there seems a lot more of this than in a lot of recent failures.
 
Much improved from previous disaster classes (where we sign guys who contribute nothing), but far too early to say it's good. Will take another couple years at least before we get a good sense.

Mbeumo and Cunha are pretty old for attacking signings, for one. Most attackers start to decline after 25/26 years old. So even if they have good years now, these are signings we could look back on with regret by year 3 or 4 of the contract.

As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
 
Turnbl said:
I think the main difference is the apparent character of the new players. Grit, nous, game intelligence, mentality, call it what you will but there seems a lot more of this than in a lot of recent failures.
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Players that want to win, not just get a massive pay cheque every month.
 
It’s certainly looking promising. Mbuemo and Cunha both look the part, big fan of Leny too and MDL is very solid.
 
Not until they buy a midfielder. Mbeumo and Cunha are great, but anyone could have told you that who watched the prem last season. Lammens could be a real find though.
 
bb8 said:
As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
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Big difference after Casemiro went off today. We def over paid, but very happy to have him.
 
Don't think you can make assumptions so soon and from such a small sample.

Cunha and Mbuemo though are both massive upgrades. Cunha was a no brainer for me. Even if he's not quite good enough (and not saying he isn't), the mentality is in such massive contrast to what we had before. He can have the worst game of his career and still force himself to a 6/10 just by being in a bad mood about it and making sure he's an annoying pain in the arse for whoever he's playing against.

Mbeumo I hadn't really watched that much but knew he worked hard and had the reliability our forward players have lacked in recent years. He is a really also far better at football than I'd realised. I'm actually quite confused why it was relatively hassle free to sign him. Arsenal and Chelsea have both signed less good players in similar roles imo.
 
To be honest, I think it's too early to say

we neglected the midfield which was insane quite frankly

spunked big money on a couple of PL proven attackers, great going lads, my old man could come up with that plan

if we go out and get a proper midfielder who can cover a lot of ground and is secure on the ball in January, I'll be seriously happy, and impressed

credit where it's due, the keeper looks good, Sesko looks good. Okay, it's better, but much better, I'll wait until the end of the season to reserve judgement.

it's early days, how many times have our new signings looked good for 5 minutes before it went to shite? Too many, but reasons to be optimistic
 
pocco said:
How many signings from the last couple of seasons are starting to stand out? Cunha, Mbeumo, De Ligt..

It’s early days but Lammens is looking solid, Yoro looks like a top talent, as does Sesko, personally I think Dorgu has good potential. There’s one or two who aren’t quite hitting the mark, but overall I feel like we’re signing players who are actually cut out for representing Manchester United. There’s still a lot of work to do and overall quality needs improving, but it feels to me like we’re on the right track in this aspect.

The decision to target physically strong, mainly PL proven (where possible) has seen us now competing in most games. I think the next step is to add further technical ability to midfield and just keep going with this strategy. But whoever is in charge since INEOS got involved deserve some kudos.
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This has been clear since the first summer. This summer has taken it up a level with Cunha, Mbeumo plus Sesko slightly less experienced. Also, I was saying Lammens over Martinez or even Donnaruma, and happy the club went for Lammens.
 
We needed a striker, a left back and a keeper more than midfielders.

Our recruitment in the last 18 months has been great.
 
We have addressed the lack of athleticism in other areas and moved slow players on, will be a game changer when we do likewise in centre midfield. There are potentially some really exciting signings that havnt kicked a ball for us yet too
 
I like a lot of the players at the club. I hope we address the midfield soon though
 
Mazraoui - hit
De Ligt - hit
Ugarte - miss
Zirkzee - don't know yet
Yoro - hit
Dorgu - don't know yet, closer to hit than miss so far
Mbeumo - hit
Cunha - hit
Lammens - too early, but looks a hit
Sesko - don't know yet

Overall, 5/10 hits and only one glaring miss is a massive step forward from the ten hag years
 
Bebe said:
Mazraoui - hit
De Ligt - hit
Ugarte - miss
Zirkzee - don't know yet
Yoro - hit
Dorgu - don't know yet, closer to hit than miss so far
Mbeumo - hit
Cunha - hit
Lammens - too early, but looks a hit
Sesko - don't know yet

Overall, 5/10 hits and only one glaring miss is a massive step forward from the ten hag years
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Ugarte isn’t a glaring miss.
 
bb8 said:
Much improved from previous disaster classes (where we sign guys who contribute nothing), but far too early to say it's good. Will take another couple years at least before we get a good sense.

Mbeumo and Cunha are pretty old for attacking signings, for one. Most attackers start to decline after 25/26 years old. So even if they have good years now, these are signings we could look back on with regret by year 3 or 4 of the contract.

As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
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25/26? Old?
 
Bebe said:
Mazraoui - hit
De Ligt - hit
Ugarte - miss
Zirkzee - don't know yet
Yoro - hit
Dorgu - don't know yet, closer to hit than miss so far
Mbeumo - hit
Cunha - hit
Lammens - too early, but looks a hit
Sesko - don't know yet

Overall, 5/10 hits and only one glaring miss is a massive step forward from the ten hag years
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I think we do and he’ll probably leave in January. Broadly agree though, it’s been far better and Ugarte aside, there’s been no big money disasters, though the jury will remain out on Sesko for a while yet.
 
It's definitely better but that wouldn't be hard obviously.

The good thing is that we were for once ahead of the curve in the profile of player we signed (big, strong and physical).
 
Mbeumo, Yoro, Maz, De Ligt, Cunha, Mbeumo, Cunha, Lammens - all look excellent buys.

Sesko, Heaven and Dorgu all have a lot to prove but promising young players.

Ineos have done well. Sort out the midfield next.
 
Bebe said:
Mazraoui - hit
De Ligt - hit
Ugarte - miss
Zirkzee - don't know yet
Yoro - hit
Dorgu - don't know yet, closer to hit than miss so far
Mbeumo - hit
Cunha - hit
Lammens - too early, but looks a hit
Sesko - don't know yet

Overall, 5/10 hits and only one glaring miss is a massive step forward from the ten hag years
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Zirkzee is a dud. We do know.
 
Too early to tell but we should be able to move on the flops like Zirkzee and Ugarte a lot easier than we have done in the past and we haven’t lumbered ourselves with players on huge wages either.

Hopefully some of the players who have benn brought in will kick on as the season progresses.
 
Bebe said:
Mazraoui - hit
De Ligt - hit
Ugarte - miss
Zirkzee - don't know yet
Yoro - hit
Dorgu - don't know yet, closer to hit than miss so far
Mbeumo - hit
Cunha - hit
Lammens - too early, but looks a hit
Sesko - don't know yet

Overall, 5/10 hits and only one glaring miss is a massive step forward from the ten hag years
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What is promising is even with the misses, I'd bet on us having a fairly decent resale value given their age.
 
Ugarte is the only one that I don't really understand.

Felt like they wanted a defensive midfielder and heard about data driven scouting so someone just had a quick search on fbref percentiles.
 
pocco said:
How many signings from the last couple of seasons are starting to stand out? Cunha, Mbeumo, De Ligt..

It’s early days but Lammens is looking solid, Yoro looks like a top talent, as does Sesko, personally I think Dorgu has good potential. There’s one or two who aren’t quite hitting the mark, but overall I feel like we’re signing players who are actually cut out for representing Manchester United. There’s still a lot of work to do and overall quality needs improving, but it feels to me like we’re on the right track in this aspect.

The decision to target physically strong, mainly PL proven (where possible) has seen us now competing in most games. I think the next step is to add further technical ability to midfield and just keep going with this strategy. But whoever is in charge since INEOS got involved deserve some kudos.
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No. Too early to say with this season's signings, and there is still not one clear success among last season's. Overall, our recruitment should be considered poor. For now.
 
Yes and no. I was thinking during the match we had a +70m striker on the bench, a +30m? LWB on the bench and a 45-50m DM on the bench. With Sesko he's obviously using a specific tactic to counter the scouse, but I don't think Amorim fancies Dorgu and he certainly does not fancy Ugarte or Zirkzee.
 
Turnbl said:
I think the main difference is the apparent character of the new players. Grit, nous, game intelligence, mentality, call it what you will but there seems a lot more of this than in a lot of recent failures.
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Agreed. Even the ones we aren’t so sure of ability wise like Dorgu seem to be fighters.
 
Amira said:
Agreed. Even the ones we aren’t so sure of ability wise like Dorgu seem to be fighters.
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We also will likely be able to easily move Dorgu on for at least book value profit if we decided to move on from him at any point given his wages.

It's not just about signings being good or bad, it's also about if they're potential mistakes which can be moved along with minimal fuss so that we can quickly reinvest into the squad in the transfer market.
 
bb8 said:
Much improved from previous disaster classes (where we sign guys who contribute nothing), but far too early to say it's good. Will take another couple years at least before we get a good sense.

Mbeumo and Cunha are pretty old for attacking signings, for one. Most attackers start to decline after 25/26 years old. So even if they have good years now, these are signings we could look back on with regret by year 3 or 4 of the contract.

As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
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The feck?

You said it so confidently, I even nodded in agreement for a second there :lol:
 
Pros: I generally believe in most of our players. De Ligt looks good at both wide center back and CCB. Mbeumo, Cunha, Sesko look good as the front three. Yoro is class. Good spine so far with 2 CBs, 3 forwards and RWB locked. Adequate at LWB.

Cons: I still believe the order of operations was wrong and we should've prioritized midfield over forwards. I still question if they understand exactly what type of project it is that they're backing with Amorim and what the plan is if the project fails. Let's just say if Arteta or Pep took over now they wouldn't look very good. We're straying more and more towards Iraola / Glasner ball than Pep ball.

Recruitment should encompass the entire game model, not just individual players in isolation.
 
bb8 said:
Much improved from previous disaster classes (where we sign guys who contribute nothing), but far too early to say it's good. Will take another couple years at least before we get a good sense.

Mbeumo and Cunha are pretty old for attacking signings, for one. Most attackers start to decline after 25/26 years old. So even if they have good years now, these are signings we could look back on with regret by year 3 or 4 of the contract.

As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
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29 year old Mbeumo/Cunha should be even better players then they are now, should be the end of their peak. They also have resale value at 28 in third year of contract if we want to. Much better business than usual. Ideally we'd get 22/23 year olds of the same quality but who was available? We needed players to come in and make an impact now, and it looks like we managed it without relying on panic buying yesteryear's stars like we have for so long.
 
bb8 said:
Much improved from previous disaster classes (where we sign guys who contribute nothing), but far too early to say it's good. Will take another couple years at least before we get a good sense.

Mbeumo and Cunha are pretty old for attacking signings, for one. Most attackers start to decline after 25/26 years old. So even if they have good years now, these are signings we could look back on with regret by year 3 or 4 of the contract.

As folks hopefully learned with the Casemiro deal, when you sign someone for £60M+ on a long term deal, you better be thumping good for a long time or it's not a good use of money.

We've got a long ways to go.
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The peak gets younger every year :(
 
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