They published/worked on the Snowden stuff which really pissed off the US and UK governments. The UK government actual went into their offices and demanded they destroy the evidence Snowden had given them but since then they've been very close with Mi5 and British state in general.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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They seem to be lumping lots of different things together in their definition of 'cancel culture'.
Feck me, state of British politics is grim.
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My Year of Grief and Cancellation
What was I trying to accomplish with my anonymous Tumblr?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/25/style/your-fave-is-problematic-tumblr.html
What was I trying to accomplish with my anonymous Tumblr?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/25/style/your-fave-is-problematic-tumblr.html
Inside a Battle Over Race, Class and Power at Smith College
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/us/smith-college-race.html
Related (older) article about diversity trainings:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/workplace-anti-racism-trainings-trump-corporate-america
Workplace “Anti-Racism Trainings” Aren’t Helping
BYJ. C. PAN
Donald Trump hysterically considers it a Marxist plot, but corporate "anti-racism training" isn't a practice that anyone should defend. It doesn't actually combat racism and it helps bosses consolidate their power over employees under a veneer of social justice.
An aside about litigious students, who were mentioned in the NYT piece - as TAs we were told to never be alone with a student especially of the opposite sex, and to discreetly record audio if it ever happened so that we're always in the clear. I didn't bother the few times it happened, but when you're teaching rich, lawyered-up students, and have grading power over them, everything is apparently a risk.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/24/us/smith-college-race.html
Related (older) article about diversity trainings:
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/09/workplace-anti-racism-trainings-trump-corporate-america
Workplace “Anti-Racism Trainings” Aren’t Helping
BYJ. C. PAN
Donald Trump hysterically considers it a Marxist plot, but corporate "anti-racism training" isn't a practice that anyone should defend. It doesn't actually combat racism and it helps bosses consolidate their power over employees under a veneer of social justice.
An aside about litigious students, who were mentioned in the NYT piece - as TAs we were told to never be alone with a student especially of the opposite sex, and to discreetly record audio if it ever happened so that we're always in the clear. I didn't bother the few times it happened, but when you're teaching rich, lawyered-up students, and have grading power over them, everything is apparently a risk.
Prof fired for tweets, after state legislators demanded her firing for negative tweets about Pence.
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Where are the tweets that got her fired?
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she posted just the notice, not sure if there's specific examples cited by the college.
she's suing, i don't know on what grounds
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Cancelled! For his speech! But does it count? Does cancel culture apply to actual workers or only the culture industry/academia?
Breaching your employer’s social media policy and being punished accordingly is definitely part of cancel culture. It’s the end game. Although the process that gets to that point that would also matter if we’re going to be pedantic about it.
Did that person tweet something (or do something) that a load of randomers took offence too, amplifying what they said/did, attempting to destroy their reputation and demanding their employers take action? If so, then yes, that’s classic cancel culture in action.
EDIT: Actually that guy wasn’t punished for posting anything online. He was fired first. Then complained online about it. How is that cancel culture?! Trader Joes are being cnuts, obviously, but nobody has been cancelled here. Sounds like he has grounds for unfair dismissal. He should get his union involved.
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fired for writing something to management. that's what my question was. does the writing have to be a product of a rarefied intellectual/artist/journalist, or can a set of demands from a normal person also qualify for these debates?
i think the underlying fact in all cases, this or the more famous academic ones, is employer power over things not strictly related to your job. the online mobs would be much less scary if they couldn't do real-world things, and the most common real-world thing they can do now is make you lose your job.
also, no union, i think.
This is true.
Although my definition of cancel culture would be someone expressing an opinion that isn’t necessarily related to their job - and certainly isn’t addressed to their employer - which is amplified and escalated by strangers on the internet until there are real world consequences. Either in terms of their job or other relationships they have.
This seems like a straightforward employer-employee disagreement. Where the employer comes out of it looking badly but we’re only hearing one side of the story.
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I like how a unifying agenda of those against censorship is to ban teaching they do not like.
This never fails to make me laugh
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As though nothing happened between the 50s and today...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_controversies
(and a dozen others on the same page)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Salaita_hiring_controversy
(and Norman Finkelstein a decade previously)
And all these cancelations in a country with a strong 1st amendment!?!
Old video, but interesting take on the subject.
Although I grew up with the expansion of the Internet, I am so glad i didnt have a childhood during the explosion of social media and have memories of not having a smartphone...
Although I grew up with the expansion of the Internet, I am so glad i didnt have a childhood during the explosion of social media and have memories of not having a smartphone...
Science. Getting to the bottom of life’s most important questions.Priceless
Apparently Gen Z is attempting to cancel Eminem
Can't wait for them to get to the rest of his discography
I'm pretty sure they've attempted to cancel him in the past but this whole cancel culture only works on those who give a feck. Eminem doesn't strike me as a person who doesCan't wait for them to get to the rest of his discography
I saw that article and first thought was it must be about Kim or Kill You again like it usually is.Can't wait for them to get to the rest of his discography
Nah it's the modern vanilla stuff.
They'd need intensive extra therapy sessions if they were ever exposed to anything from SSLP or MMLP.Interesting, but then the recommended next video was an interview with shapiro.
I did enjoy the discussion though and will have a closer look at the guy.
if you had
one tweet
one post
to cancel everyone you ever wanted
would you cancel eminem
or just let it slip
(literally the only lyrics i know)
one tweet
one post
to cancel everyone you ever wanted
would you cancel eminem
or just let it slip
(literally the only lyrics i know)
People tried to cancel him in the 90s too. I saw him live in his pomp and there were gay rights and feminist activist protestors outside the gig.
My take away was that its just a case of tables turning and "cultural norms" are now dictated by a different set of players?
What was your take? Generally curious if ive missed something.
Guy had the government coming after him earlier on as well. I don't think people with certain levels of fame will ever really get cancelled either way.I'm pretty sure they've attempted to cancel him in the past but this whole cancel culture only works on those who give a feck. Eminem doesn't strike me as a person who does
There's definitely a lot of songs by Eminem and other artists that contain some pretty messed up lyrics/themes. Then at the same time as someone else mentioned in a different thread on here, and Eminem has pointed out himself, movies spark a lot less controversy (not to say they don't get any) but have some really bad stuff in them.I saw that article and first thought was it must be about Kim or Kill You again like it usually is.
Nah it's the modern vanilla stuff.
Having said all that, when are we going after Sir Tom Jones for what he did to Delilah?
Celebrities can definitely get cancelled, no matter their profile. Musicians, particularly those that started as underground musicians can't. Em makes his own music, released on his own label and has no one above him. At that point, negative media attention is just media attention. He's not an artist that needs talk show appearances, jobs offers etc etc. Actors on the other hand. . .
I dunno, for a start Mel Gibson is still around.
