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People saying Varane doesn't play enough to be captain when he has played more often than Fernandinho at Man City.

Not to mention Liverpool who have Jordan Henderson as Captain who isn't really their first name on the the sheet.

The captain has to be be someone the players respect on the pitch and off the pitch and if there is any one that doesn't respect Varane at United then they should not be at United
 

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Bruno is the obvious choice. Has the fight and the numbers and performances to back it up. Ok, maybe not so much in performances this season but as whole, there is no contest.
The fight? He spends most games on the floor having hissy fits. And if people get annoyed with clips of Maguire losing the ball with simple passes, they're in for a big shock when Bruno gets more attention.
 

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The fight? He spends most games on the floor having hissy fits. And if people get annoyed with clips of Maguire losing the ball with simple passes, they're in for a big shock when Bruno gets more attention.
That's mostly this season though and that happens while all the rest look like not being bothered to even do that. I'm not saying he is perfect but from what we have, he is the choice.
 

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After seeing Ronaldo's reaction not able to accept being subbed off, I don't think he should be one of the candidate as captain in here. Bruno IMO is the best candidate.
That’s not even close to what happened. Media making noise about absolutely nothing. In fact, I’m sure I’ve seen similar disappointment from Bruno going off, but it just wasn’t a story because it wasn’t a story.
 

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You don't have to be loud to be a great leader.

Sometimes you can lead by your physical actions, leading by example. Is Bruno moaning at the ref, crying, sulking, diving admirable qualities you seek in a leader? Nope.

We don't have leaders at the club anyway, but DDG or Ronaldo is the best we have to choose from.
I didn't say you had to be loud and there are massive differences between being loud and communicating effectively, as such there are multiple reasons why De Gea isn't a leader, you've deleted other reasons I gave from the quoted post. He's miles away from being any kind of a leader.
 

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That’s not even close to what happened. Media making noise about absolutely nothing. In fact, I’m sure I’ve seen similar disappointment from Bruno going off, but it just wasn’t a story because it wasn’t a story.
Disappointment is fine and normal, no one likes to be subbed off but what Ronaldo did is worse than being disappointment. Rangnick needed to sit next to Ronaldo and cheered him up like convincing a child. That's not good view in front of the other players and young players. Roy Keane would be disappointed if he was subbed off but he wouldn't keep crying for long period until your manager sit next to you to cheer you up like a child.
 

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Said in another thread it might be best for Maguire's form if the club give the captaincy to someone else-just invent some excuse and back up with some PR that states that he's very valuable to United, and a leader in his own right etc etc.
 

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Disappointment is fine and normal, no one likes to be subbed off but what Ronaldo did is worse than being disappointment. Rangnick needed to sit next to Ronaldo and cheered him up like convincing a child. That's not good view in front of the other players and young players. Roy Keane would be disappointed if he was subbed off but he wouldn't keep crying for long period until your manager sit next to you to cheer you up like a child.
It was nothing. No bottles kicked, no bibs thrown, not straight down the tunnel, no arguing with the manager. You’ve just been roped in by Sky’s constant push to turn football into WWE/a soap opera. Absolutely nothing at all. Sky decided they would film Ronaldo for two minutes instead of the actual game looking for drama.
 

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Why are you assuming it wont be haz? have you heard something?
 

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Im not a big gan of his but at least he has fire. I would give it to DDG
Exactly, could really spur McT on and really pull the team with him. A bit like liverpools position with having it to Henderson. Also a limited player but a good captain. To be fair as it stands Dave is the only player you could consider
 

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Ten Hag take captaincy off him, bench him for most games as will bring in a centre half that has speed and is much better.

Maguire get dropped from england squad with World Cup year coming up as well.
 

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Why are you assuming it wont be haz? have you heard something?
Yep, from the same people who told them Donny would be playing under Ralf instead of McFred.
 

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I didn't say you had to be loud and there are massive differences between being loud and communicating effectively, as such there are multiple reasons why De Gea isn't a leader, you've deleted other reasons I gave from the quoted post. He's miles away from being any kind of a leader.
I read them, I just felt this was the most valid take away from your sentiments is all.

De Gea isn't ideal as captain but he sure is better than Maguire or Bruno.

After Ronaldo he is our most experienced player having done it all pretty much at club and international level and in Europe and he's still young enough also and plays pretty much every game.

One thing I will say is, he has improved a lot verbally I've found this season... his faults are that he sticks to his line far too much still.
 

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It was nothing. No bottles kicked, no bibs thrown, not straight down the tunnel, no arguing with the manager. You’ve just been roped in by Sky’s constant push to turn football into WWE/a soap opera. Absolutely nothing at all. Sky decided they would film Ronaldo for two minutes instead of the actual game looking for drama.
Well, I'm not using Sky. So I saw something that you probably don't see.

If a manager needed to sit next to the player to cheer him up during the game like convincing a child then it was not just ''nothing'' to me.
 

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I think the issue comes more when the captain clashes with non captained leaders. It sounds like that's happened this season with Maguire.

It doesn't matter that much but the wrong appointment can matter a lot in my opinion.

We just need someone that sets the standard rather than having the mentality of excuses and a chip on the shoulder.
Problem is we don't have that at the club. The only players who show captain characteristics for me are Ronaldo (short term solution) and McTominay (should be a squad player). Bruno would be the pick if he'd stop acting like such a brat half the time...
 

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Problem is we don't have that at the club. The only players who show captain characteristics for me are Ronaldo (short term solution) and McTominay (should be a squad player). Bruno would be the pick if he'd stop acting like such a brat half the time...
After the phone slapping and refusing to punish him.. it would definitely not look good to make him club captain.
 

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Makes sense for Ronaldo if he stays for another year, and It'd give ETH the chance to assess the players properly.

Outside Ronaldo I don't see any genuine leaders on the team. Bruno has this frustrated body language about him and whines more than he leads, but with proper guidance he could step up.
 

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After the phone slapping and refusing to punish him.. it would definitely not look good to make him club captain.
Meh...nobody's perfect. At least he showed passion and was visibly upset about the result while others are doing dances and posing for TikTok. Besides, one of our best captains ever dropkicked a fan
 

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Exactly, could really spur McT on and really pull the team with him. A bit like liverpools position with having it to Henderson. Also a limited player but a good captain. To be fair as it stands Dave is the only player you could consider
Henderson is a much better player than McTominay. I do wish McTominay was better at actually playing football as mentally he is probably the best candidate for captaincy in the team, but unfortunately he's one of the players I don't expect to be starting much next season.
 

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Bruno is the obvious choice. Has the fight and the numbers and performances to back it up. Ok, maybe not so much in performances this season but as whole, there is no contest.
Really depends on if Ten Hag fancies him though, he’s a bit of an enigma as a player and he’s so indisciplined positionally which, if we believe the stories about ETH and how he wants to play, makes it an interesting situation.

There’s no real standout candidate, I personally think CB and CM always makes sense but I guess it just shows the lack of leadership we have in the team that I can’t really think of anyone who deserves it.
 

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Really depends on if Ten Hag fancies him though, he’s a bit of an enigma as a player and he’s so indisciplined positionally which, if we believe the stories about ETH and how he wants to play, makes it an interesting situation.

There’s no real standout candidate, I personally think CB and CM always makes sense but I guess it just shows the lack of leadership we have in the team that I can’t really think of anyone who deserves it.
It seems like he does;

The Dutchman views the group he will inherit as having vastly underperformed this season and feels it contains four groups of players worth persevering with. The first are those at the pinnacle of their careers, where Ten Hag places Bruno Fernandes and Raphaël Varane; then those entering that phase, in his opinion Marcus Rashford and Scott McTominay; others on an upward trajectory, such as Jadon Sancho; and youngsters emerging from the academy for whom he sees a bright future, including Hannibal Mejbri, Alejandro Garnacho and James Garner. - Ten Hag confident of Manchester United revival without lavish budget | Manchester United | The Guardian
 

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It should be De Gea. I don't care that he doesn't communicate often, he's our most consistent player and longest serving player in the first XI. He's one of the few players who always tries his hardest to keep us in games and performs well most of the time. It's about time we had a captain that could lead by example more so than words. Every player out there should be talking and communicating anyway, let's have a captain that is actually a good player and regularly performs. He's the one handling the press anyway - might as well make it official. He doesn't have silly tantrums either, he's a professional goalkeeper that gets on with his job and does his job very well.

I understand Ronaldo is a more influential leader out there, but you can't have your captain slapping phones out of people's hands after a defeat and throwing his hands in the air when people fail to pass to him.
Agree with this. Really, De Gea should have gotten it when Ole made Maguire captain for the reasons you've stated.
 

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It seems like he does;
There used to be a thread on here about how unreliable Jamie Jackson is. Read that article and then think about it for a second, he’s not quoting a source or doing an interview so what he he done, spoken directly to Ten Hag who is literally just been announced and gone through the squad with him?
 

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Dave, give it to Dave. He may well revel in the role & maintain top form.
 

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I read them, I just felt this was the most valid take away from your sentiments is all.

De Gea isn't ideal as captain but he sure is better than Maguire or Bruno.

After Ronaldo he is our most experienced player having done it all pretty much at club and international level and in Europe and he's still young enough also and plays pretty much every game.

One thing I will say is, he has improved a lot verbally I've found this season... his faults are that he sticks to his line far too much still.
I just don't agree, both are more likely candidates to be captain than De Gea. Maguire is by far the biggest talker and organiser on the pitch outside of Ronaldo, the issue is that he may have gone past the point of no return with his teammates and the fans with his dreadful form. Fernandes is probably our most influential player in that when we play when, he's invariably had a good game, but when we don't, it's rare that he's played well.

De Gea brings a lot of issues, not just the sticking to his line, his lack of communication causes major problems defensively, as does his inability to distribute the ball. Making him captain would be ridiculous as he's a player that should be moved on sooner rather than later, regardless of whether or not he was a good leader - which he pretty clearly isn't. I'd be astonished if Ten Hag persists with him for longer than 12 months, let alone makes him captain.
 

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Really depends on if Ten Hag fancies him though, he’s a bit of an enigma as a player and he’s so indisciplined positionally which, if we believe the stories about ETH and how he wants to play, makes it an interesting situation.

There’s no real standout candidate, I personally think CB and CM always makes sense but I guess it just shows the lack of leadership we have in the team that I can’t really think of anyone who deserves it.
Yeah I agree not one of them should be considered. We need a captain though and Bruno just looks like the only one with some fight. Tactical disciple is anathema to our squad so ETH will have a difficult choice.
 

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Give it to Martial when he comes back.
 

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Maybe the thing is to start off with a clean slate with no named Captain and tell the squad that attitudes and performaces over the summer in training, and in preseason games, will influence who ETH chooses.
 

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In a power move, ETH should wear the band on the touchline and only give it up if someone can prove themselves :lol:
 

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One of the 1st things ETH needs to do is tell Maguire he won’t be captain next season. He can spend the summer thinking about who but I’d go with Varane . If you don’t respect what he’s won you shouldn’t be at the club
 

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Should be De Gea. He's basically been auditioning for it with his recent post match interviews.
 

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DDG as Club Capitan and CR7 as vice captain. Expect Dave to play every game but Ronaldo can also be a voice further up the pitch when he comes on to score another hat trick late on.
 
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