Nah. united’s fall is a lot worse. Everton are always mid table sometimes higher. On the other hand united hit 2nd once after Ferguson while being the richest club on the planet.
Carlo Ancelotti: Everton manager
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Agreed.
Lot of work there for Carlo. Might have been better leaving Duncan Ferguson in charge for the season just to try & get some 'Dogs of war' mentality into the players. Not sure Ancelotti is that type of manager.
This is a paycheck job for Carlo. This is the worst set of player he has managed since Reggiana in the nineties.
I think Carlos real strength is in bringing peace and calm to a team full of great players. He was always able to keep egos in check and take pressure of players in big games, which is why he was always such a successful cup manager. He brings a calming influence as a leader.
I don’t think this is what Everton needed. They needed someone to come in with a vision and direction for the football club and how they should play. They have spent a fortune and are rudderless.
Last night was awful. I think they have tried to jump steps of progression by spending big and being ambitious, but they spent big on average players and have an unbalanced squad. He has his work cut out for him anyway!
I think Carlos real strength is in bringing peace and calm to a team full of great players. He was always able to keep egos in check and take pressure of players in big games, which is why he was always such a successful cup manager. He brings a calming influence as a leader.
I don’t think this is what Everton needed. They needed someone to come in with a vision and direction for the football club and how they should play. They have spent a fortune and are rudderless.
Last night was awful. I think they have tried to jump steps of progression by spending big and being ambitious, but they spent big on average players and have an unbalanced squad. He has his work cut out for him anyway!
Apparently thinks Pickford is shit and is demanding a new keeper this month. That didnt take long! This idiot has been in his comfort zone since the world cup. Way to big for his gloves.
surely, too short arms for his gloves. T-rex keeper.
He's always been perfectly overrated.
I'm worried again. Pickford is okay, not great but not terrible either and is most certainly not a priority in terms of what we need right now. He's been here for a couple of games and already there have been big bust ups within the club and with players/fans. I'm not blaming Ancelotti for any of this either btw, it's just worrying how shit and toxic the club is right now.
Agree. Pickford is a good keeper, despite his positioning flaws and sometimes exquisite handling technique.
IMHO Wolves were very lucky in that department with Sporting Lisbon meltdown, because they got a top keeper in Rui Patrício by a bargain value, despite his weakness on playing with his feet.
A potentially good keeper is already expensive, and it doesn't give any guarantees that it will turn out OK. An already solid keeper is rare and usually costs a fortune (see Ederson / Alisson / Buffon / etc).
Apparently the heavies turned up to training ground to confront your DOF after the pool result.
He has taken some big downward steps since Madrid
Not if you compare to Rafa: in the same season he manages Real Madrid and gets relegated to Championship in Newcastle. You can't made that up not even in FM
Big problems at Everton. A very topsy turvy time since Moyes left in 2013. At least under Moyes they became consistently competitive. Like United they have had a succession of managers and very mediocre recruitment.
Apparently Ferguson lost the rag with the players after the FA Cup defeat. I could have sworn Ancelotti was the manager. Doesn’t bode well.
Delph once again proving himself to be a prized idiot. Engaging with a fan on Twitter. He was never going to come out the better of that.
I’m glad Howard Kendall isn’t around to see what a circus his beloved Everton have become.
Apparently Ferguson lost the rag with the players after the FA Cup defeat. I could have sworn Ancelotti was the manager. Doesn’t bode well.
Delph once again proving himself to be a prized idiot. Engaging with a fan on Twitter. He was never going to come out the better of that.
I’m glad Howard Kendall isn’t around to see what a circus his beloved Everton have become.
If Ancelotti is the one to realize (and he does have the gravitas necessary) to get whatever they can while they still can for guys like Walcott, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson and move on to a younger team he'll have been a useful manager for a year or two, but yeah they should probably have gone for a young Bundesliga type while they rebuilt around Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison, Iwobi, Gbamin, Digne and their theoretically promising but often dodgy high-priced CBs.
Everton is definitely taking some media attention away from our showing vs Mancity.
I do not believe Ancelotti is the right fit for them. Duncan to me is what they needed. They needed a more hands on and controlled manager vs Ancelotti who requires his players already coming in with close to WC skills. He is going to realize his players will not be able to execute his strategies and vision
I do not believe Ancelotti is the right fit for them. Duncan to me is what they needed. They needed a more hands on and controlled manager vs Ancelotti who requires his players already coming in with close to WC skills. He is going to realize his players will not be able to execute his strategies and vision
This kind of comments make zero sense
It's like because he managed Milan, Real Madrid and won CLs playing nice stuff, he can only work with players of that quality
Everton aren't a bad team, but they're not a great one either. They aren't asking him to win the CL ffs
Napoli weren't that good.
Anyway, he's got a hefty paycheque which could've been all he went for (and who would blame him?) but there's also the additional promise of a new stadium and the backing of an owner willing to spend money on a squad that isn't up to task at the minute in order to make it so in the future. All whilst becoming a hero for an underdog team in their own city.
That is exactly what I am saying. Ancelotti in his prime will not go near an Everton. If you have ever read about him or listened to how he approaches the game he is a Tune up specialist. Similar to how Pep wont manage an Everton either. They like players with a fairly deep skillset and they work to coach them into a high calibre team with a system. There is only a handful of players on that team I believe can live up to his expectations.This kind of comments make zero sense
It's like because he managed Milan, Real Madrid and won CLs playing nice stuff, he can only work with players of that quality
There are managers that are good a building, managers that are good at fending off relegation and Ancelotti in my opinion is great at that final bit to make a good team better
And his Napoli team prior to this season was fairly decent. One of a few teams last year that was able to give Liverpool a loss.
We probably see the game differently but I agree that he’s probably in it for $ or a chance to rebuild his reputation. Everton is in it for a big brand manager.
As for how willing the owner is to back him, we shall see in the summer Mr Ancelotti gives him a list of names.
He's the manager of Everton. He's not going to expect Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Sheva, Maldini, Ramos, Pirlo and Modric FFS
Thie idea that certain managers can only work with world class players has to be one of the stupidest around. Ancelotti started his career at Reggiana and then moved to Parma before he got the juventus gig. Most recently he was manager of Napoli
He's not some world class player whisperer, he's a coach
Whether he's the right one for everton and will do a good job or not remains to be seen, but it's not because he can only work with WC players...
He's not some world class player whisperer, he's a coach
Nicely summed up.
I'm sure there are players at Everton where his methods won't translate. That's also because those players are too shit even for Everton's level and should be shipped out no matter what manager they have.
By all accounts he took the job because they offered him a long term project with free reigns to build the team as he sees fit. He hasn't had that in a long time, so I can see the appeal. Considering how patient they were with Silva, I expect he'll have time to do interesting things there even if he doesn't turn them around that much in the short term.
Basically, he will need to tear it all up and rebuild from the ashes. There's practically nothing there save Digne and Richarlison worth building on.
We haven't fallen yet! What's with this type of thinking, we're still a great club, just with not so great results, if we had any patience and trust in our manager in 3 years time we're back challenging for the top honors.
He really isn't.
Mignolet and Karius obviously weren't good but there were still many reds claiming stuff like "at least we have the best backup in the league on the bench". I didn't (mignolet is shit), but it was still surprising to me that Adrian, whom we casually picked up on a free as backup, turned out to be that much better than them.
Point is, it's easy to get blind to the level you should expect based on some "well, he was good enough to play for us in the first place" effect.
Like Hart, he's extended his reputation via the "young England talent" effect. The moment you ship him out and get someone decent in between the sticks, the difference will be stark. Pickford's career will tumble as well once the shield of "Everton's priced English first choice keeper" is no longer there to polish his performances.
More like *never*
Pickford isn't good or anything(in fact he's subpar) but i don't think he's their biggest issue right now. The midfield is. Pickford they can wait for the summer to replace
He is right there . I can't believe Pickford gets such an easy ride
Can you really see Ole still being United manager in 3 years time ?
If I am to judge by what we've been doing so far, I don't know, because we've exhzibited a lack of patience, both the club and fans. I hope we will give Solskjaer the time he needs.
So do I, mate. So do I.
We will just agree to disagree then but I will refrain from calling your point of view stupid. I do not see Ancelotti lasting for his full term at Everton. The teams you quoted were either his early in career teams or Napoli. How did Napoli work out?He's the manager of Everton. He's not going to expect Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Sheva, Maldini, Ramos, Pirlo and Modric FFS
Thie idea that certain managers can only work with world class players has to be one of the stupidest around. Ancelotti started his career at Reggiana and then moved to Parma before he got the juventus gig. Most recently he was manager of Napoli
He's not some world class player whisperer, he's a coach
Whether he's the right one for everton and will do a good job or not remains to be seen, but it's not because he can only work with WC players...
If OGS had the reputation & history of someone like Ancelotti then I'd say he'd have earned the right for people to give him time & patience. But there's nothing in Ole's managerial cv to suggest he's got what it takes to elevate a massive club like Manchester United to where it needs to be. Be honest, if he wasn't an ex United player & club legend would you still think the same ?
Call a spade a spade
So, what if they were early in his career? The point that for some reason you refuse to see is that Ancelotti is not going to coach everton in exactly the same way he coached milan. Man management will largely be the same, you can't really change that since it's about the kind of person you are more than anything else
Napoli worked out fine until the president started a civil war and he lost the dressing room
Btw, he also lost the dressing room at bayern munich which got him sacked. So it's not even true that "his methods" work authomatically at superclubs
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I think that he played the wrong team on the weekend and it almost cost us but the comeback and mental strength to do what we did after suffering the shite against Newcastle/Pool is admirable. I think he should have signed someone on loan just to freshen the squad up a bit and keep people on their toes but can't argue with the results much so far. Hopefully it continues but we have a v tough few games after the Palace one. Must win.