Carlos Baleba | joins United | Announced

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Sangare would have been the best midfield signing by the looks of it so far. I also dont know why we did not go for him as so far Santos and Tielemans have looked really shit
Yeah a smart midfield rebuild would have been this guy, Sangare and then Tielemans. That way we could have had some athleticism until Baleba ready. Oh and he also would have saved another £8m too.
 
So we suffer for one month.
Yeah not gonna be pretty viewing until he's fit
Much like Tielemans - this is signing that just does not inspire me or makes much sense to me.

He's injured - coming off a very poor season and doesnt really look to add that "quality" we are desperate for. Paying for what he may become rather than what he is - which is what we've already done with Santos.

We've gone from the experience of Casemiro to Santos & Baleba - who are both very raw. Tielemans has the experience but he looks to be as sluggish as Cas was

I can't work out what the vision is with a midfield four of Mainoo, Tielemans, Santos and Baleba. I can't work out what pairings would work, whose a replacement for who.

Our midfield rebuild has turned very messy

I'm glad we're not paying the fee from a couple seasons ago - but 70Mil for Baleba is extraordinary money. Brighton are a shrewd club - they know they're getting good money for a player they wont miss all that much, makes you question the decision making here really
Hope he makes you eat some humble pie
 
Sangare would have been the best midfield signing by the looks of it so far. I also dont know why we did not go for him as so far Santos and Tielemans have looked really shit
Your two sentences are just different words but making the same point.

Are you actually basing this on one game? Why?
 
Sangare would have been the best midfield signing by the looks of it so far. I also dont know why we did not go for him as so far Santos and Tielemans have looked really shit
Stupid post. After one game making judgements? The loss is 100% manager who played low block against CHampionship side! Tielemans is quality but is brought as a squad player. Would say a tier above Eriksen, needs more fitness and will be very good in home games or CL or when we dominate the ball.

Santos will be our best player by the end of the season.

Anyone can say Sangare is the best after he made his debut. but hes also a different player to Santos. We bought 3 midfielders who bring different things. Sangare can be maybe compared to Baleba, but ultimate comparison can be made after some time, not after 90 mins of football.
 
Stupid post. After one game making judgements? The loss is 100% manager who played low block against CHampionship side! Tielemans is quality but is brought as a squad player. Would say a tier above Eriksen, needs more fitness and will be very good in home games or CL or when we dominate the ball.

Santos will be our best player by the end of the season.

Anyone can say Sangare is the best after he made his debut. but hes also a different player to Santos. We bought 3 midfielders who bring different things. Sangare can be maybe compared to Baleba, but ultimate comparison can be made after some time, not after 90 mins of football.
I don't think it's a stupid post, Utd should have either signed this guy quicker instead of hoping for Tchouameni or signed two athletic CM's so we had cover in case of injury.
 
I bet some folks were crying that City had signed the next De Bruyne for a bargain price after Reijnders debut last season.
 
most likely being announced between 6pm and 7pm to catch the breaking news for the reactors and news outlets this evening
 
After the Hull performance they've started taking titles off us.
That must be new for this season, otherwise we'd be in the negative just from the last couple.
 
I don't think it's a stupid post, Utd should have either signed this guy quicker instead of hoping for Tchouameni or signed two athletic CM's so we had cover in case of injury.

Judging signings after one game is stupid.

Do you think any proper judgement can be made of any signing after just one game? If so, why?
 


Interesting watch, seems to think the signing could solve some problems.


These YouTube videos don't have a clue. I've seen plenty of "why Amorim will bring United back" or "The league have a Man Utd problem" after we signed Onana.

All nonsense bullshitters trying to look clever.
 
Judging signings after one game is stupid.

Do you think any proper judgement can be made of any signing after just one game? If so, why?
I'm judging them because leaving yourself short of athleticism until this guy is ready is asking for trouble
 
The original argument was that I said a player with his attributes is very important for our team, especially after that Hull game.
But what is really your in depth analysis of how we lost the Hull game?

We didn’t lose because our midfield was overrun. It wasn’t. There was two main reasons we lost:

1) We couldn’t defend ordinaty set pieces consistently well, mainly because of concentration glitches from defenders in aerial duels (Maguire, Heaven, Shaw). Let in two goals by that. Didn’t let them in much apart from similar issues (Heaven losing McBernie another time). Nothing Baleba or Sangare would have done with that.

2) We didn’t create enough chances for all our posession, attempts and crosses. Main issue: lack of proactive movement from the attackers (Cunha and Mbeumo particularily), not fast enough attacking passes in transitional phases (Santos was the exception), not quick enough switches of side and attacking movements to stretch their defence in established play. Too mutch imprecision from key attacking players (Fernandes, Tielemans, Shaw, Maz, Mbeumo, Cunha, Dorgu). Neither Baleba nor Sangsre would have improved this, probably quite the contrary.

Santos was one of the most effective players on the pitch, and really didn’t have any issues with his role, or the role a Baleba or a Sangare would have had in that game if they played.
 
Couldnt agree more. They are a load of shite.

Classic example:


Bingo.

A bunch of grifters and self-important arm chair experts that think because they grew up playing Subbuteo and own a dry-erase board they're Pep Guardiola incarnate. That guy spent 12 minutes on why Onana would transform United, but glossed over the fact that he's a terrible goalkeeper. Who cares if you're "Pirlo between the sticks" if you have flaccid penis for fingers and zero aptitude for protecting your goal. This was readily apparent when watching Onana's highlights whilst he was at Inter. His unorthodox (read: bad) shot stopping technique was on full display.
 
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But what is really your in depth analysis of how we lost the Hull game?

We didn’t lose because our midfield was overrun. It wasn’t. There was two main reasons we lost:

1) We couldn’t defend ordinaty set pieces consistently well, mainly because of concentration glitches from defenders in aerial duels (Maguire, Heaven, Shaw). Let in two goals by that. Didn’t let them in much apart from similar issues (Heaven losing McBernie another time). Nothing Baleba or Sangare would have done with that.

2) We didn’t create enough chances for all our posession, attempts and crosses. Main issue: lack of proactive movement from the attackers (Cunha and Mbeumo particularily), not fast enough attacking passes in transitional phases (Santos was the exception), not quick enough switches of side and attacking movements to stretch their defence in established play. Too mutch imprecision from key attacking players (Fernandes, Tielemans, Shaw, Maz, Mbeumo, Cunha, Dorgu). Neither Baleba nor Sangsre would have improved this, probably quite the contrary.

Santos was one of the most effective players on the pitch, and really didn’t have any issues with his role, or the role a Baleba or a Sangare would have had in that game if they played.
These are exactly my thought, mate.

I like what i saw in Santos. And i can see that if he adds a bit more muscles, he and Mainoo would be a good pair.

We really missed Casemiro’s heading at both ends. Our defending was worser, and our corners became so impotent.
 
We heard the same with Ugarte. Don't hold your breath.

True. But Ugarte was always been more questionable than Baleba. Ugarte had no PL experience to prove that he is good enough to play in PL and those people relied too much on the stats (Ugarte's tackle/defensive attempted but ignoring the fact that those attempt could also means Ugarte making too many fouls) rather than combination of eye test and stats. Baleba is more proven PL and you don't need to rely on stats to judge Baleba as he is well known with his athleticsim and pace so we know he has these aspects while Ugarte doesn't, which what we need in midfield. In addition, he offers ball carrying ability and press-resistant on the ball, while Ugarte offers nothing on the ball.
 
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