Carlos Baleba

The Purley King said:
He clearly wants to be here (means a lot)
He’s had one outstanding season and one shit one, basically 2nd season syndrome
He has the minerals to be incredible
I want us to buy him.
£60m plus adding maybe making it to £80m
He’s worth it
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He's not worth £80m inc addons
 
I'd take Baleba over Tchouameni if Tchoumeni would be a sulk, and think he is somehow better than United.

I have no evidence this is the case, but Madrid are clearly the pinnacle right now, so we would be a downgrade, and DI Maria.
 
The Purley King said:
He clearly wants to be here (means a lot)
He’s had one outstanding season and one shit one, basically 2nd season syndrome
He has the minerals to be incredible
I want us to buy him.
£60m plus adding maybe making it to £80m
He’s worth it
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You want to spend £80m on a player who is coming off the back of a "shit one".

Dear God.
 
When was the last time a top club paid stupid OTT money for a player who’d had a shit season?

I don’t get why anyone would want to spend silly money on this guy based on what he did over a year ago.
 
van Nistelrooy said:
You want to spend £80m on a player who is coming off the back of a "shit one".

Dear God.
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Well he said 80 million including add ons and presumably those 20 million of add ons would be related to him not being on a shit one for us.
 
TrailMonkey said:
When was the last time a top club paid stupid OTT money for a player who’d had a shit season?

I don’t get why anyone would want to spend silly money on this guy based on what he did over a year ago.
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Happens a lot tbh. Sometimes players get a big move because they are coming off the back of a top season. Other times they get big moves because they are long-term targets and their clubs made them stay an extra year and everyone knows that they will move eventually. I think Van Dijk to Liverpool wasn’t too dissimilar. Players can play out a year where they are openly leaving and are not playing well.

The names escape me now sadly. Perhaps they will come to me. Anthony Gordon is probably a recent example tbh. He sulked, and was dropped from Newcastle’s team for months before he got a big move to Barcelona. It happens a lot, clubs don’t judge long term targets on their last games alone. Lewis Hall is another who may leave his club after an indifferent season for big money. Clubs annex big assets all the time when their future is uncertain, and they don’t always reduce their value if they have a long contract.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
I'd take Baleba over Tchouameni if Tchoumeni would be a sulk, and think he is somehow better than United.

I have no evidence this is the case, but Madrid are clearly the pinnacle right now, so we would be a downgrade, and DI Maria.
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I don't see him with same mentality as Di Maria, however this guy has at least pushed how much we wants to join
 
ManhattanRed said:
I’d happily spend 70-80 on him too. Its about the level he’s showed previously.
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Kevin Phillips scored 30 goals in one season and then did feck all for the rest of his career.

We cannot assume that he will reach the heights of two seasons ago again. It could have been an anomaly. Spending £70- £80 million on him after the season he’s just had would be the worst transfer decision this club has made in the last 20 years. It would be stupid and reckless.
 
Zumbi said:
It's pretty bloody obvious. You can run stuff through AI checkers as well.
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Got ya, I’ve never used it like that so I wouldn’t know.
macheda14 said:
I don’t know if you’ve done any Gemini searches into ‘what type of player is x’ or similar. But it uses very specific phrasings that are littered through this as well as the formatting.

I ran it through chat gpt and it’s 90% certain it’s ai.
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I haven’t, I just kept reading people were certain it was and was curious why.
devilish said:
A- he is not world class
B- at that point he's been there for just 2 seasons, one if which he spent as a squad player. They asked over 100m for such 'service'
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A- agreed, I messed up there. They made him into a dangerous player and he showed them no respect is my point. He wouldn’t show us respect either.
B- Yeah, they are pricks. They also think they play the best football to ever grace this planet, and really for me the Mitoma argument is an even better one as to where they blew their load. They turned down a great deal for him and he stunk it up last year.
 
TheRedHearted said:
Got ya, I’ve never used it like that so I wouldn’t know.

I haven’t, I just kept reading people were certain it was and was curious why.

A- agreed, I messed up there. They made him into a dangerous player and he showed them no respect is my point. He wouldn’t show us respect either.
B- Yeah, they are pricks. They also think they play the best football to ever grace this planet, and really for me the Mitoma argument is an even better one as to where they blew their load. They turned down a great deal for him and he stunk it up last year.
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All I am saying is that for every action there is a reaction and Brighton are learning that and will probably learn it more in the future. Clubs join stepping stone clubs because they are, well, stepping stones. The moment they stop being that than the market shift and Brighton will have to start competing with clubs that actually buy players with the thought of retaining them. That means the likes of United, Arsenal, Liverpool and co. They can't market themselves as a stepping stone club and then expect to make a 300% profit out of a player after just 2 years one of which he was a squad player in especially since Brighton has this tendency of not even telling the buyer the price that they want thus forcing the club to bid in the dark. That player will be irked by it, performances might drop. prospective buyers would start avoiding them and word will start spreading around.

If I was Brighton I'd sell. Give him to United for 50m with performance clauses which would rise the fee to 70m-80M and a big sell on clause. Thus the club's reputation as a stepping stone club will be retained, you get rid of an unhappy player and you get a cut on the profit at every step of the way.
 
devilish said:
They can't market themselves as a stepping stone club and then expect to make a 300% profit out of a player after just 2 years one of which he was a squad player in especially since Brighton has this tendency of not even telling the buyer the price that they want thus forcing the club to bid in the dark. That player will be irked by it, performances might drop. prospective buyers would start avoiding them and word will start spreading around.

If I was Brighton I'd sell. Give him to United for 50m with performance clauses which would rise the fee to 70m-80M and a big sell on clause. Thus the club's reputation as a stepping stone club will be retained, you get rid of an unhappy player and you get a cut on the profit at every step of the way.
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They want to pretend they aren’t a stepping stone club so they can sell for insanely high prices.
They want to market themselves as contenders now, they held on to mitoma after a massive insane bid, was it 110?


50 is fair to us, they won’t let him go for that.
 
devilish said:
All I am saying is that for every action there is a reaction and Brighton are learning that and will probably learn it more in the future. Clubs join stepping stone clubs because they are, well, stepping stones. The moment they stop being that than the market shift and Brighton will have to start competing with clubs that actually buy players with the thought of retaining them. That means the likes of United, Arsenal, Liverpool and co. They can't market themselves as a stepping stone club and then expect to make a 300% profit out of a player after just 2 years one of which he was a squad player in especially since Brighton has this tendency of not even telling the buyer the price that they want thus forcing the club to bid in the dark. That player will be irked by it, performances might drop. prospective buyers would start avoiding them and word will start spreading around.

If I was Brighton I'd sell. Give him to United for 50m with performance clauses which would rise the fee to 70m-80M and a big sell on clause. Thus the club's reputation as a stepping stone club will be retained, you get rid of an unhappy player and you get a cut on the profit at every step of the way.
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It's easy to say you'd sell when you don't own the club, and you're biased is in favour of United. At the end of the day they don't advertise themselves as a stepping stone club. They're trying to improve their team and climb the table like the rest of us. It's not their problem if entitled fans of other clubs are pissed off at them for not bending over and selling their players on the cheap
 
I see a lot of posters on here me included with utd blinkers on, Baleba is a Brighton player, they do not need to sell him, he is at present not agitating for a move, that said if we do want him there is an opportunity, Brighton will probably just sign Sangare as a replacement and end up making $$$$ again, from a playing stance they can easily afford to lose and replace Baleba as he was not important for them last season, I really don't see Baleba as a risk, I think he will at worst be decent even if he doesn't hit the heights that he has promised in previous seasons, the question everyone is asking and the pivotal issue is the price, sub £70m however it is made up and in this market looks good, north of £70m that feeling of too much pressure and risk starts creeping in, still would rather buy Baleba than a fragile and prem untested Kone
 
The Purley King said:
“Only” 60 up front.
For whatever reason I think he’ll be amazing for us. Trust me bro vibes im well aware of that!
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Haha I have the same thought. I know he struggled last season but he has also shown he can play extremely well in this league. He is young and has a lot fo the tools that coaching can't give you.

I thought we should have gone for him last season, and was disappointed that we didn't. But he would be coming into a much better situation now – especially with the additions of Santos and Tielemans. I think he would compliment our midfield options and bring an athelticism that we currently do not have.
 
The Purley King said:
“Only” 60 up front.
For whatever reason I think he’ll be amazing for us. Trust me bro vibes im well aware of that!
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He gives me the exact same feeling, can’t explain it rationally given how poor his season was….
 
macheda14 said:
I ran it through chat gpt and it’s 90% certain it’s ai.
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Not to derail - but ChatGPT etc are terrible at assessing AI writing, or videos etc. They will very, very confidently say what they think you want to hear, but they're not able to do it well.
Pangram is the only genuinely specialist tool for this, and it's decent at the moment.
Part of the problem with AI is it's hyped so much people genuinely believe it can do anything, and because it almost never says 'sorry mate, don't have a clue', it does nothing to dispel the idea.
 
TrailMonkey said:
When was the last time a top club paid stupid OTT money for a player who’d had a shit season?

I don’t get why anyone would want to spend silly money on this guy based on what he did over a year ago.
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Honestly this thread feels like some sort of twilight zone. You have people saying they're glad we are watching the pennies this summer then wanting to spend 80m for a player coming off a shit season, it's insanity.
 
Zed 101 said:
I see a lot of posters on here me included with utd blinkers on, Baleba is a Brighton player, they do not need to sell him, he is at present not agitating for a move, that said if we do want him there is an opportunity, Brighton will probably just sign Sangare as a replacement and end up making $$$$ again, from a playing stance they can easily afford to lose and replace Baleba as he was not important for them last season, I really don't see Baleba as a risk, I think he will at worst be decent even if he doesn't hit the heights that he has promised in previous seasons, the question everyone is asking and the pivotal issue is the price, sub £70m however it is made up and in this market looks good, north of £70m that feeling of too much pressure and risk starts creeping in, still would rather buy Baleba than a fragile and prem untested Kone
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How is spending 70m plus and over 100k pw wages on a player you have said may only proceed to be decent not a risk? If he doesn't perform we won't be able to sell him just like other failures and we don't have much money and would've dropped a fortune on a player not moving the needle.
 
ron86 said:
Honestly this thread feels like some sort of twilight zone. You have people saying they're glad we are watching the pennies this summer then wanting to spend 80m for a player coming off a shit season, it's insanity.
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Are they actually the same posters saying those things? Or are you counting thousands of different posters with very different opinions as one big lump?
 
ron86 said:
How is spending 70m plus and over 100k pw wages on a player you have said may only proceed to be decent not a risk? If he doesn't perform we won't be able to sell him just like other failures and we don't have much money and would've dropped a fortune on a player not moving the needle.
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Every signing is a risk. Some think the potential upside with Baleba is worth the risk.
 
ron86 said:
Honestly this thread feels like some sort of twilight zone. You have people saying they're glad we are watching the pennies this summer then wanting to spend 80m for a player coming off a shit season, it's insanity.
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Some people saying we’re not showing any ambition, others annoyed we aren’t in for Danny Welbeck…
 
Zumbi said:
Are they actually the same posters saying those things? Or are you counting thousands of different posters with very different opinions as one big lump?
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Given it’s only one poster that said we should spend eighty million, my suspicion is the latter
 
Zumbi said:
Are they actually the same posters saying those things? Or are you counting thousands of different posters with very different opinions as one big lump?
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Exactly. It always make me chuckle when different opinion get moulded into one voice. It’s not the same people.
 
ron86 said:
How is spending 70m plus and over 100k pw wages on a player you have said may only proceed to be decent not a risk? If he doesn't perform we won't be able to sell him just like other failures and we don't have much money and would've dropped a fortune on a player not moving the needle.
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We should look for players around the £5m mark to minimise any potential resale loss.
 
Avero said:
I think the jury would still be out, because he’s only 22 years old.

If you look at the three past seasons of Baleba and Mainoo, Mainoo is only slightly ahead.
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And most people deemed Mainoo surplus to requirements, not good enough and should be sold for anywhere between 30 and 40m.

Difference is Mainoo actually played at the Euros and was a part of winning a Cup a few years ago
 
Cee90 said:
It’s amazing how some people seem ok to put his bad season down to him not getting his dream move to United.

That’s not the mentality we need surely? Yeah it’s great that he wants to join us, but you cannot write off a whole season and down tools.

I personally can’t look past it and to me it signals a bigger issue. I know he’s young but it’s a massive red flag.
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Pretty sure his mum passed away as well that would have played a major role in his mentality.. I'm not making excuses because it's something that we would need to properly explore but I also don't think he ever "Downed tools" either tbf. He just had a poor season and it would be up to United to find out as best they can as to why that was, if they are even interested in him still.

Personally I think he is the potential missing piece to our new midfield. His skillset fills in the blanks of what we're currently missing. Due to his last season, there is no guarantee that he can realise his potential, as with any player really. I would only buy him if the price reflected the risks involved. He is very young as well so he has plenty of time to regain what he has lost in the last season.
 
Zed is not dead said:
And most people deemed Mainoo surplus to requirements, not good enough and should be sold for anywhere between 30 and 40m.

Difference is Mainoo actually played at the Euros and was a part of winning a Cup a few years ago
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Most? I'm really not sure that's the case.
 
Rozay said:
We should look for players around the £5m mark to minimise any potential resale loss.
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No, 30-40m wouod be worth risk(never going to happen with Brighton) 70m+ on someone off the back of an awful season is madness unless you're city with unlimited pots of cash
 
Zumbi said:
Most? I'm really not sure that's the case.
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Most stating that Mainoo was surplus to requirements may be overstating it, but there was a time not that long ago when most here would have been agreeable to selling Mainoo.
 
lex talionis said:
Most stating that Mainoo was surplus to requirements may be overstating it, but there was a time not that long ago when most here would have been agreeable to selling Mainoo.
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I disagree - I don’t think it was most. Vocal minorities are often mistaken for majorities.
 
United went for Santos over two summers, which shows the club is willing to wait for the right time to get the player.

But I'm not sure when the best time would be to try and get a good deal for Baleba, tbh.
 
RuudTom83 said:
United went for Santos over two summers, which shows the club is willing to wait for the right time to get the player.

But I'm not sure when the best time would be to try and get a good deal for Baleba, tbh.
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Yeah Brighton are never gonna be reasonable
 
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