Carrick is one of Man United, England's most underrated players ever

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    Aboutreika18 Full Member

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    Long read but excellent article by Michael Cox/Zonal Marking:

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/engl...d-one-of-most-underrated-players-ever?src=com
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    2mufc0 Full Member

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    Yeah he is, his career went in phases for me was good then had a bad spell then became good again. England could have used him instead of trying to shoehorn in all the big names.
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    Indnyc Full Member

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    I love Carrick but don’t think he was at the level of Busquets/Alonso in the holding midfielder role.

    Excellent read though and I do agree he was a big reason for our success from 2006/2007 to 2012/2013
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    led_scholes New Member

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    Amazing player. Not underrated by us for sure. I do think though that for almost two years post 2010 he was average, but he came back with a storming 2012-2013 season. I do not want to undermine RvP's legacy, but Carrick was equally important that year for me.
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    He definitely had a dip in form from 09-12 but either side of that he was superb. I'd argue he peaked late on his career, although that's not to say he wasn't excellent at times before that, which was a bit of a shame. A few more seasons of him performing at his 12-13 level would have definitely elevated him to the Alonso, Busquets level.
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    Nice one and well written.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    I wouldn't say he's underrated by us, you'll find very few United fans who don't appreciate Carrick. It's more England, ridiculous how he never won more caps.
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    It's funny in hindsight to remember all the hand-wringing over the £18m fee (think that included add-ons as well).

    In the summer of 06 I was aboard the Mahamadou Diarra and Riquelme trains, heady days.
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    Yeah, that covers my thoughts. He struggled a bit when put up against the best of the best.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    No he isn't. To the point where he's now overrated.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    He's fecking class. There used to be regular calls for him to be sold. Devilish used to call him Carsick.
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    He was never/rarely any good whenever i watched him play for England.
    That 2006-2009 side wasn’t that reliant on the midfield, it was all about the front three and the defence. Of course Scholes was fantastic and Carrick played his part too. But to me, if anything, he became overrated.

    He wasn’t agile enough to deal with a press, and soft at times.
    Very smart player, don’t get me wrong, but the comparisons with Xabi Alonso or Busquets are absolutely ridiculous, he was never on that level, and he never played in a midfield dominant side like Busquets or Alonso did.

    They never played with Cleverley in a two, but the United sides he played in were never midfield dominant side, and his role was far more simpler than theirs.
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    Alonso needed a yard dog or hard runner next to him like Mascherano or Khedira. Defensively Carrick was streets ahead of Alonso. Only Busquets has definitely been better.
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    Took our fans a while to figure what his game was but after that i think he was appreciated bar the odd dip in form where we got bad carrick
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    He had a pretty torrid reputation on here around 2009-10.

    People blamed him for not stepping up in the CL final and while he had some good performances, especially in Europe in 2009-10, him being outmuscled by Olic for the first goal and slow to block Robben's goal in the Bayern game saw a lot of people wanted him to be sold that summer.
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    promisedlanchiao New Member

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    Care to explain why?

    Well-written post, but firstly, without a midfield an attack in nothing, as there will be no one passing to them. Also, as you mentioned, alonso and busquets had modric and iniesta while Carrick had cleverley and anderson, which made his job just as hard as the former two already.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    When everyone and his dog is saying someone is underrated, kind of means they aren't really underrated anymore.
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    I know he got some flack in the Champions League finals vs Barcelona but one forum doesn't form the opinion of the entire United fan base.
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    Oh obviously, I just meant RedCafe exclusively.
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    In the three best years of the club's history there were 7 players who nearly always played when fit. VDS, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Ronaldo and Carrick. That was the core of our greatest ever side, and yeah, he wasn't the best of those players, but he deserves his place amongst those names.
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    I dont know if Carrick was one of te best players of that team, but what im completly sure he was one of the most important players and one of the first names of the team sheet
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    He's like Albertini in that great Milan team. People talk about that famous back four, the GOAT DM, and trio Dutch they had. But not many actually appreciate Albertini, the metronome.
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    shamans Hoser

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    I honestly think he has been a bit overrated last year or two while we remember him. Carrick had a great United career but he was comfortable below Scholes/Keane/Rio etc in terms of importance I think.

    He had some amazing seasons, some good ones and some not so good ones.
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    Yep. Defintely overrated by some, if not most of this forum.

    I appreciate what Carrick brought to our team but you can't forget how he struggled when pressured or forced to play within tight spaces.

    He's quite comfortably a level below Alonso and Busquets.
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    If you're talking globally, you're right. For England per OP, it's a resounding yes.
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    Not really. He is underrated because he wasn't given the credit and dues when he was at his peak. Seems like you're just being contrarian for the sake of it.
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    That's ridiculous. How can you claim to appreciate what Carrick brought to our team yet rate him lower than Alonso? Alonso played alongside Gerrard and failed to make the same kind of impact that Carrick and Scholes did at that time. Carrick basically held together our midfield during one of our most successful periods.
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    Him and Scholes were the reasons why I always thought 2 man midfield was enough and 3 man midfield was stupid.
    Both of them made it look so easy to control the midfield.
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    Alonso was comfortably superior to Carrick when he played for Liverpool.
    I don’t see a reason to explain with words what is obviously visible on the pitch.

    Alonso had more impact than Carrick, if anything. He played for a lesser side and under an inferior manager.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    It might be difficult to comprehend, but people have opinions that differ to yours.
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    It's fine if you have a different opinion but if it's based on just what other people are saying instead of an actual opinion with substance about the player then there might be something to consider. All you're doing is being contrarian which isn't an opinion.
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    :lol: That takes me back. I remember being convinced he was the answer to our midfield.
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    Alonso stood out in a mediocre team. That doesn't mean he was more superior to Carrick. Did he have more of an impact in that team... probably yes but again that's because he was a stand out in a poor team. But Alonso had more impact than Carrick? Really? Did Alonso's impact give Liverpool sustained premiership titles?
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    Alonso was a liability defensively. He was a very good player but also a luxury one who needed a partner to do the dirty work.

    Carrick was a one man midfield in 2013, Alonso could never do that.
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    No one midfielder, slash that, not a single player who ever played the game could’ve had such an impact that would take that Liverpool side on to win sustained PL titles competing against Chelsea and SAF’s greatest team, It’s a non argument mate.

    Very few (if at all) objective football viewers will rate Carrick on Alonso’s level.

    That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a very good player.
    Imo, he had 3 great seasons for us, the first two and Fergie’s last.
    Alonso was world class for at least twice that.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    Well yeah, of course it's based on what other people think, thats the whole point of the thread: to discuss the wider view of Carrick as a player... :houllier:
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    My favourite player in his time here, not kidding. How on earth he managed to keep looking class while playing in midfield with players far below his quality is beyond me. Loved to see him play with Scholes when he was still playing at a good level. We were really good back then.
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    What's a non-argument here? You said Alonso had "more of an impact" than Carrick... how? You seem to be contradicting yourself. How did Alonso have more of an impact than Carrick? Alonso had an impact in La Liga. But in the EPL? He was good but not good enough. Carrick.... certainly good enough in the EPL to be an integral part of a winning generation.

    Pep rated Carrick on Alonso's level. Carrick was on Alonso's level. He just didn't stand out in a mediocre team and then move to an inferior league.[/QUOTE]
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    The mind boggles at why Capello preferred a Gareth Barry over him in 2010, let alone an unfit Gareth Barry. What is it about managers and Gareth Barry? Didn't Rafa try to offload Alonso in favour of him too?

    I don't know if he's underrated or not but he's one of my favourite united players ever, that's for sure.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    I'm not getting into the Alonso debate and I was never as hot on Carrick as many (especially for England) but he was brilliant in 2013 and was our most important player behind RVP, crucial to our last title.