Yeah completely agree he got the level of criticism towards the officials spot on. Just maybe it will lead to those pair of clowns not on a Utd game for the foreseeable. After all it worked for Arteta after the famous Newcastle rant.
Carrick's Personality
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We've had 2 recent managers in Rangnick and Amorim who kept talking rubbish to the media in the guise of managerial intellectualism. We also see one in Chelsea right now doing the same and will very likely end up in a similar fate. I'm not sure the manager having a personality is in any way related to him delivering results that matter. I'm not saying Carrick has no personality here, but I think we've moved from SAF delivered results -> had personality to having personality leads to delviering results.
Is the sort of verbal diarrhoea they spouted counting as personality?
Neither of those two were able to impose their will on the team, players didn’t respond.
Personality manifests in the players buying into what you are asking them to do, to play through pain, to run and run.
Does Carrick have that? Not sure. The likes of Amorim, Rangneck and Brent mk3 certainly don’t.
Not sure it’s reasonable to besmirch Rangnick by associating him with Amorim.
This! All this personality talking is because he's a rookie. If you're winning, that's all the personality you need. Just ask Lucho.
One thing about Fergie was that he was always combative and sure of himself. He projected confidence. Demanded respect. Was hard nosed.
All endearing qualities when on your side.
All endearing qualities when on your side.
If you want to watch someone with personality then go turn on Netflix/Youtube. I just want a football manager who wins; I don't care if he's quiet or loud, or if he jumps around like a cnut on the touchline or just sits on the bench the whole game stone faced. Just someone who wins games and gets us back to the top with the team playing good football that we can get behind.
People seem abit hung up on it. Was always an issue with Solskjaer too. Supporters and journalists asking if he can get mad.
Carrick is obviously not a Roy Keane or a Sir Alex Ferguson. Maybe he is more in the mould of someone like Sir Matt Busby?
Carrick is obviously not a Roy Keane or a Sir Alex Ferguson. Maybe he is more in the mould of someone like Sir Matt Busby?
I was never convinced by Ole for the managers job but he definitely had more personality I think. I never got the impression he lacked communication skills or could be tough when needed. In fact he was quite talkative with the press.
Carrick, honestly, always seems a decent bloke but there’s not really a lot that people can discern. Maybe as you say being calm and unemotional can work in his favor?
It’s strange looking back in that, I think we’ve had a fair few different personalities since Sir Alex left:
Moyes-the befuddled one
LvG- mad uncle Louis
Jose-the overly-emotional one
Ole- the ‘back in my day’ friendly guy
Ralf-the straight talker
EtH- the intensely awkward guy (“heh”)
Amorim- the other emotional one
I’m in the minority but I think I liked Louis the most. He was mad but funny and had a real old school style like Sir Alex (just a shame the football was so bad)
Utter nonsense, this “personality” thing.
It’s just personality. Ability will do me. Somebody upthread mentioned Carrick/Busby similarities, (in terms of personality) which keep cropping up in my head. Quite similar. Busby was strong but had little to say but delegated and had an aggressive, passionate right hand man. If the boss can see the big picture as well as the detail, with good staff, that should be all the personality he needs as long as he knows what he is doing. Comparisons with Ole are just silly. They are different people.
It’s just personality. Ability will do me. Somebody upthread mentioned Carrick/Busby similarities, (in terms of personality) which keep cropping up in my head. Quite similar. Busby was strong but had little to say but delegated and had an aggressive, passionate right hand man. If the boss can see the big picture as well as the detail, with good staff, that should be all the personality he needs as long as he knows what he is doing. Comparisons with Ole are just silly. They are different people.
Think there's something to like about quietly and professionally going about your business while deflecting all the drama, especially in such a pressure cooker position.
Whole hell of a lot "personality" did for Amorim, who unceremoniously left with a win rate comparable to some of our worst managers in history along with an ignominious European final loss to Tottenham fecking Hotspur of all teams.
Whole hell of a lot "personality" did for Amorim, who unceremoniously left with a win rate comparable to some of our worst managers in history along with an ignominious European final loss to Tottenham fecking Hotspur of all teams.
I actually can't tell you a single thing that Carrick has said since he's taken over. I don't think that's a bad thing.
I started this thread based on Carrick not really having an engaging personality and if that would be a factor on him getting the job permanently as we seem to be a club that is a lot about projection of an image regarding pressers and such.
I feel it has been somewhat derailed.
I feel it has been somewhat derailed.
I can see why to be fair. Most don’t agree with you, or find it a strange topic of discussion
It‘s not a strange topic. But it seems most agree Carrick having a calm demeanor isn‘t a big issue.
The complete opposite approach to our previous manager. It’s quite refreshing.
I actually can't tell you a single thing that Carrick has said since he's taken over, to be perfectly honest with you. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Fixed it for you
He didn't say a great deal as a player either. But most managers can say a lot of nothing really.
He isn't exactly Jose Mourinho but he's fine. For what he lacks in drama/humor, he makes up in calmness.
A few people (like Mitten) suggest he can be more outgoing/expressive but chooses to be calmer. Maybe because he knows (from playing here for so long) that anything about United gets magnified by media/social media
Quite an assumption in the first place, that Carrick does not have an engaging personality. True, he is not given to hyperbole and self-adulation but he is highly engaged in the long hours of the task at hand and is undeniably committed to seeing the squad perform to the maximum of its ability, which are desirable personality traits in my book. Certainly more desirable than the ludicrous Amorim who stubborness and self-adulation were his defining personality traits -- which gave us lots to talk about but delivered woeful squad performances -- but led to club nearly getting relegated last season and to his sacking this season.
What you want in a manager needs no explanation here, but in the end it comes down to results. Successful managers can be bombastic or they can be introspective or anywhere in between. Right now we're seeing the results we want, regardless of how much or little his personality is "engaging", however one wishes to define it for themselves. I personally find him very engaged in the technical area, whether giving instructions, celebrating goals or bemoaning bad ref calls; and his post-match media interviews are pitch perfect, at least in my judgment. It's hard to see what the issue is here to debate.
I'd rather his calmness to the endless waffle sandwich from the stubborn imposter who came before him
I really don't know why people pretend that this matters. We all know that now that he's winning, people will use his demeanor as a good thing, a sign of calmness and composure. If or when he starts losing, he will be lacking inspiration, engagement, and boring. Slot's honestly and tendency to break down tactical systems of opponents last year was apparently a sign of clear thoughts, transparency and control. Now that he's losing, it's a sign of whingeing and crying that opponents are not playing like he wants them to. The football fraternity are the masters at pretending they actually analyse anything and not just deduct that everything is brilliant when you win including the smell of you know what, not only that, it is directly the reason why you are winning and vice versa.
Carrickter was right there
don't knock waffle sandwiches
Football heritage, rrespect!
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