He does.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 10
- Goals
- 2
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 5
- Red cards
- 1
I will predict he gets sent off vs Pool as he will not handle the pace and when he can't handle the pace he goes to ground.
Good to see him finally getting his dues on here. Like many others are now saying, he is our best CM. What if crazy is that it’s not for what he’s made a name for himself for, but for his control of our play and his passing. He is a calm head in there and we are a far better team with him in.
Calm head?
Why does he get so many cards then?
He probably is our best CM and that is the problem in itself as his only competition is Kobbie and Ugarte and they are not up to task.
He’s extremely calm on the ball.
Off the ball, he’s always been on to make plenty of tackles, fouls etc. That’s his game.
On a side note, Rooney has the 2nd most yellow cards in PL history, with calm Paul Scholes in 5th.
And the relevance of the side note is?
Calmness in possession has nothing to do with the number of yellow cards a player ”collects”.
Scholes was a calm head, as calm as an English midfielder has probably ever been, but feck me he was shite at tackling, picking up many many stupid yellow cards.
His calm head famously fecked him out of a CL final in 99 with an absolutely braindead awful foul on Davids.
That PL stat tells you these weren’t isolated incidents either, he just picked up a feck tonne of daft as feck yellows throughout his entire career.
The less said about his England Euro red card following that the better. Could’ve had 3 red cards in that game alone. Somehow he escaped the first clear red with nothing
A fun watch though…
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Calmness in possession has nothing to do with the number of yellow cards a player ”collects”.
Scholes was a calm head, as calm as an English midfielder has probably ever been, but feck me he was shite at tackling, picking up many many stupid yellow cards.
His calm head famously fecked him out of a CL final in 99 with an absolutely braindead awful foul on Davids.
That PL stat tells you these weren’t isolated incidents either, he just picked up a feck tonne of daft as feck yellows throughout his entire career.
The less said about his England Euro red card following that the better. Could’ve had 3 red cards in that game alone. Somehow he escaped the first clear red with nothing
A fun watch though…
Are you comparing the Casemiro of the Premier League to Paul Scholes?
Wow, really?
Let’s just start again, imagine you called Scholes a calm head, due to his ”control of our play and his passing.”
And I responded…
”Calm head?
Why does he pick up so many cards then?”
I am a bit lost with Casemiro.
Most posters seem to be very complimentary and don't think he is the issue.
I see a player who can barely sprint and gets run past very often. He has great difficulty covering space in a way a Declan Rice does for Arsenal or Moses for Chelsea. He is also prone to reckless tackles most likely because he doesn't fancy his chances in a duel.
I acknowledge that plays some nice switches and is very useful in dead ball situations in either box.
Most posters seem to be very complimentary and don't think he is the issue.
I see a player who can barely sprint and gets run past very often. He has great difficulty covering space in a way a Declan Rice does for Arsenal or Moses for Chelsea. He is also prone to reckless tackles most likely because he doesn't fancy his chances in a duel.
I acknowledge that plays some nice switches and is very useful in dead ball situations in either box.
Let'sWow, really?
Let’s just start again, imagine you called Scholes a calm head, due to his ”control of our play and his passing.”
And I responded…
”Calm head?
Why does he pick up so many cards then?”
Casemiro may look relaxed and calm on the ball because he does not seem to give a shite when he gives it away to the opposition and that is in the opposition half as well as his own.
If you want to reference yellow cards with Rooney and Scholes I would say longevity in the game would be a factor but it gets outweighed by a lot of fans given the positive difference they had on the outcome of games.
Casemiro will see out the season because he dug his heels in at Utd and there were no takers anyway but once it is over he is gone.
Let's
Casemiro may look relaxed and calm on the ball because he does not seem to give a shite when he gives it away to the opposition and that is in the opposition half as well as his own.
Not sure what any of the bolded had to do with my point.
If you cannot I will leave it at that then.
I will look out for any comments by you in his performance thread after the Pool game!
What do you think we’re debating here?
I’m stating that Scholes record of 1 yellow every 4.9 games shows a player can have a calming influence in possession but pick up tonnes of cards out of it.
I’m simply answering the one question you gave which was, if he’s a calm head, why does he have so many yellows.
You’ve gone off in your own World.
I don’t know why we can’t sign players like Ndidi or amadou onana who immediately will provide the legs to cover Casemiro and shield our defence. It’s simple common sense that all EPL teams do except ours
Okay, let me see if I can make it any clearer;
I do not think he is a calming influence on the team given his erratic passing as a DM and his tackling technique and his ability to be caught out of position.
Please do not make comparisons to Manchester United royalty.
Have a nice day.
There we go, you expanded on your short, rather nonsensical moan about yellow cards and have now produced a proper counter argument.
How dare you compare Casemiro to royalty?
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He commits a lot of fouls but generally he is committing fouls to prevent breakaways etc. He knows what he’s doing. Although I think the second yellow against Chelsea was out of his hands.
But in terms of our build up, he makes the right decision 9/10 times. Even under pressure he picks the right pass and just looks like he has time on the ball. This is the sort of influence experienced midfielders should bring. I’m not saying he’s in the same league as Scholes or Carrick in terms of his passing ability, but these are things that they brought too. What is crazy to me is that he was never this player for Real, Kroos and Modric were the players who dictated the play mostly. So it says a lot about us as a team when Casemiro is arguably the most reliable in this sense.
Clearly, still a very talented footballer. Another who I feel is let down by the system he plays in - I don’t think he has the legs to play in a two man midfield anymore and needs more support, which he doesn’t get back from WBs.
He will continue to mount the yellow and reds cards this season because he’s always chasing the game in this system. He’s one of the classic players for this team that don’t suit the system but he’s been shoehorned into it.
He will continue to mount the yellow and reds cards this season because he’s always chasing the game in this system. He’s one of the classic players for this team that don’t suit the system but he’s been shoehorned into it.
So we have two things here
Last season's Casemiro and what we're hoping he can get back to and this season's Casemiro who has started slowly and for now isnt doing what he did last season
Last season Casemiro had the most tackles and recovered balls out of all players in the top leagues. More than Rice and Caicedo (hes great but he isnt Moses).
"run past" is something that gets posted a lot but doesnt actually happen that much with Casemiro. For example in our last game against Sunderland he won 3 tackles to stop the opponent and his 4th failed and a player ran past him 1 time. Bruno had 4 players go past him. That didnt happen with Casemiro. But thats what always gets posted on here like it did.
Should we have anticipated that at his age Casemiro probably wont continue making the most tackles in football? Yeah. But we can't do everything in 1 summer and the last 2 seasons our biggest issue was we were crap to watch because we didnt score goals. So we addressed that and are doing a bit better at it, but hopefully more to come. We changed the goalkeeper too which will hopefully have a calming effect on our defence which wasnt great either last season. Now after fixing those issues, we can look at midfield, wingback and if the goalkeeper alone doesnt change things then a defender as well. I'm sure thats what we'll be doing in Jan and next summer.
We also have Ugarte who wasnt cheap last summer. The staff are obviously hoping he can do better than last season (and better than hes playing so far this season...) as a legs option instead of Casemiro and to come on for him if hes booked or tired. If he cant improve we wont even get half of what we paid if we sell him as he's currently looking our weakest midfielder with Mainoo looking better when he plays. Mainoo is another option. He has more legs than Casemiro and is very strong holding off challenges but isnt going to win the ball as much as Casemiro or Ugarte. Not yet anyway.
Personally I'd give Casemiro a few more matches and see if he kicks into last season's form and if he doesnt I'd be happy to see Mainoo get the chance for a few games in the DM role
I believe that playing only once a week will greatly benefit someone like Casemiro.
And I expect a much better season from him compared to last.
He’ll still have the odd performance where he looks like he’s past it physically, but he possesses the necessary ability / experience to play well against most opponents we’ll face.
And I expect a much better season from him compared to last.
He’ll still have the odd performance where he looks like he’s past it physically, but he possesses the necessary ability / experience to play well against most opponents we’ll face.
I think he's still got something in him, and at one game a week he can be very good for us. I havent minded his performances at all, barring a silly red card. He's miles better than Ugarte
It's not the system, it's the fact that he is playing with a non factor re transitions.
Casemiro’s issue is not having even a competent midfield partner.
Casemiro-Zubimendi
Casemiro-Lavia/Enzo
Casemiro-Mac Allister/Gravenberch
Casemiro-Bentancur
And so on, and he does not have the issues that are routinely brought up here. He’s had one competent partner in his time here and that was only for half a season.
Casemiro-Zubimendi
Casemiro-Lavia/Enzo
Casemiro-Mac Allister/Gravenberch
Casemiro-Bentancur
And so on, and he does not have the issues that are routinely brought up here. He’s had one competent partner in his time here and that was only for half a season.
He has started 5 of the 6 games in which he has been available to be picked, he is the new favorite pet for a failing manager who has no clue what he is doing especially not with the midfield. Mainoo and Ugarte are both better midfielders than him.
For this comparison, I’m guessing it counts in Casemiro’s favor to get himself sent off against Chelsea?
Why would it? We were 10 v 10 against Chelsea.
Not sure 40 mins against 10 men is that significant in a sample size of 300-odd mins, the decision was ridiculous, and both teams had the same number of players after his red card anyway.
If only he had a set of legs.
Best of a bad bunch. Think this season he's looked a lot better then last, still needs a upgrade and if his contracts up soon I wouldn't be renewing but this season I think he's been ok.
Legs are almost gone, which thankfully seems to have coincided with his contract expiry.
City away would be the bigger contribution
They really aren't. Mainoo is not a CM. He's been pretty dreadful when he's been played there this season and last. He's a good AM or 10, a very poor CM/DM. Ugarte has had maybe 2 good games for us. The pair of them together is even worse - take Grimbsy Town as one example! Neither as good as Casemiro in CM, even with him being miles past his best.
His best games for United have been at CM
I find him such a weird player to watch for us. Like, it's sort of impossible not to be aware that it's Casemiro, the guy who has literally won it all, but then at the same time it's clearly not THAT player. But it's really hard to assess where his level is currently without always thinking of past iterations. This has negatives and positives - you're aware that he's way past it but is he still pretty good? On the flip side, if he was a new player coming through playing at this level would we be excited? Is he the epitome of mediocre? What is he?
Pretty obvious
On the ball he’s calm
However off the ball he likes to tackle, but his legs have gone and he’s flying alone in there thanks to this batshit crazy manager
He can be a frustrating player when he dives in either loses the player or gets a card. I was fuming at him for getting sent off vs Chelsea.
Having said that, he is the only proper central midfielder we have. If we were to play a 4-3-3, with Ugarte next to him, and Bruno in front of him, I think he would be more consistent. Ruud had tried it and we looked fairly solid in the middle. Ofcourse in an ideal scenario, we would buy 2 midfielders to replace Ugarte and relegate Casemiro to a back-up.
Having said that, he is the only proper central midfielder we have. If we were to play a 4-3-3, with Ugarte next to him, and Bruno in front of him, I think he would be more consistent. Ruud had tried it and we looked fairly solid in the middle. Ofcourse in an ideal scenario, we would buy 2 midfielders to replace Ugarte and relegate Casemiro to a back-up.
Still our best cm.