[BrilliantOrange]

That assist for Sesko was class though

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Absolutely past it. Not getting midfielders in summer was the biggest error since Ineos have come in.

 

[lex talionis]

Frustrating performance, but he wasn’t poor.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Frustrating performance, but he wasn’t poor.

I think we see the worst of him when he's asked to do 2 jobs and doesn't have the legs for it, Ugarte is brainless and Casemiro is constantly having to cover as Ugarte has no discipline positionally when we are in transition unfortunately.

 

[Red_toad]

Frustrating performance, but he wasn’t poor.

Him not being able to run is a huge issue, was pretty embarrassing watching him running back in the second half, the game went past him, looked like he’s in his 50’s.

 

[lex talionis]

Him not being able to run is a huge issue, was pretty embarrassing watching him running back in the second half, the game went past him, looked like he’s in his 50’s.

Yet Casemiro was one of our better players last night. But there’s no denying his tank is near empty after 60-65 minutes.

 

[VP89]

Him not being able to run is a huge issue, was pretty embarrassing watching him running back in the second half, the game went past him, looked like he’s in his 50’s.

The bit where a midfield player caught up to him wasn't fitness. He was just taking too long in making a decision to pass it on.

 

[Red_toad]

The bit where a midfield player caught up to him wasn't fitness. He was just taking too long in making a decision to pass it on.

No I watched him running back, it was shamefully slow, as he kinda gave up as everyone was running away from him.
With the moving on and contract issues a few starters have, you can see they’re certainly not giving it everything they have. All puts Amorim in a difficult position.

 

[Bobski]

A few sloppy passes but very strong defensively, having a defensive minded partner in a more compact shape still allows his elite reading of the game to shine though.

 

[Godfather]

Baller. Him and Ugarte look a good partnership. Shame we have so much dross in the team and a poor manager. Would have loved to see him win a proper trophy with us.

 

[Idxomer]

He was better than the last game, but watching him trying to control the ball is painful.

He was also unusually timid in aerial duels and failed to win a single header.

 

[pascell]

He was better than the last game, but watching him trying to control the ball is painful.

He was also unusually timid in aerial duels and failed to win a single header.

Yep, he was very poor on the ball today in places I thought and lack of duals won in the air too.

Dont think we should be renewing his contract, wasn't the profile we needed when we signed him and he isnt now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Immense today. For me he was very clearly our MOTM. Actually having a very good season, individually. We would be in deep deep shit if he wasn’t.

 

[kouroux]

It turns out he can comfortably play more than 60mins. Who would have thought ?

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Imagine him with 2 other midfielders.

 

[NZT-One]

Yep, he was very poor on the ball today in places I thought and lack of duals won in the air too.

Dont think we should be renewing his contract, wasn't the profile we needed when we signed him and he isnt now.

Completely agree. He can do a job, no doubt about it. But with his mobility, it would need the rest of the team to balance his issues. We aren't at such a point. Thanks for being professional and good luck for the future somewhere else.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Yep, he was very poor on the ball today in places I thought and lack of duals won in the air too.

Dont think we should be renewing his contract, wasn't the profile we needed when we signed him and he isnt now.

He’s been a poor signing. He lacks energy (and has mostly been replaced around the hour mark) which given we have hardly anyone on the bench, I think he knew he was likely to play the full game - so was conserving energy right from the start.

 

[Godfather]

He’s been a poor signing.

He was not a poor signing at all

 

[Godfather]

Immense today. For me he was very clearly our MOTM. Actually having a very good season, individually. We would be in deep deep shit if he wasn’t.

Totally agreed. Looking through this thread is so strange though. Like some are watching a different sport. Unable to appreciate how well he has been doing. No way we SHOULDN'T extend him for a year (on reduced wages if possible). The talked about alternatives aren't on his level (especially Baleba this season) and we are down to the bare bone in midfield anyway. Mostly though, I don't trust our management to get someone in of his class.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Totally agreed. Looking through this thread is so strange though. Like some are watching a different sport. Unable to appreciate how well he has been doing. No way we SHOULDN'T extend him for a year (on reduced wages if possible). The talked about alternatives aren't on his level (especially Baleba this season) and we are down to the bare bone in midfield anyway. Mostly though, I don't trust our management to get someone in of his class.

It’s the curse of performance threads. After every match they’re riddled with posts that are just people doubling down on long term opinions about the player and have feck all to do with what actually happened on the pitch that day.

 

[NZT-One]

Totally agreed. Looking through this thread is so strange though. Like some are watching a different sport. Unable to appreciate how well he has been doing. No way we SHOULDN'T extend him for a year (on reduced wages if possible). The talked about alternatives aren't on his level (especially Baleba this season) and we are down to the bare bone in midfield anyway. Mostly though, I don't trust our management to get someone in of his class.

Maybe you are the one watching a different sport? Who are the aging midfielders with limited mobility and running power in the top teams these days? Are there any? Wonder why?

It is fine to think that he had a great game - thinking that we should extend him is completely wrong and backwards if you ask me. Wording it in way where "reduced wages" seem to be an optional side quest is nothing but shocking.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He was not a poor signing at all

He wasn’t the player we needed.

His fee and wages have been astronomical - total cost of between £137-149m, he’s been incredibly poor value for money.

He’s not a poor player, but the reality is he’s been average for us - and that’s only because we have no one else in midfield.

So yes, taking everything into account, he’s been a poor signing.

 

[The Hilton]

It’s the curse of performance threads. After every match they’re riddled with posts that are just people doubling down on long term opinions about the player and have feck all to do with what actually happened on the pitch that day.

There's also the opposite, posters who only remember the good and forget the bad, using hyperbole like calling him immense.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, Casemiro was fairly good defensively today, but was a bit careless on the ball, the only player on our team that lost possession more often than him was Cunha. He also lost over half of his duels.

Interestingly his midfield partner Ugarte had better passing accuracy, lost the ball less, entered more duels and won a much higher percentage of them, and was more involved defensively.

So yeah, decent, not as good as some are making out, not as bad as others.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

There's also the opposite, posters who only remember the good and forget the bad, using hyperbole like calling him immense.

The truth is somewhere in the middle, Casemiro was fairly good defensively today, but was a bit careless on the ball, the only player on our team that lost possession more often than him was Cunha. He also lost over half of his duels.

Interestingly his midfield partner Ugarte had better passing accuracy, lost the ball less, entered more duels and won a much higher percentage of them, and was more involved defensively.

So yeah, decent, not as good as some are making out, not as bad as others.

Ironic. Considering you seem to have gone to the effort of looking up individual player stats, then deliberately ignored Casemiro’s most impressive contributions. I know you’ve already seen these but FAO anyone else who’s interested (team ranking in brackets).

94 touches (1st)
4 Key Passes (1st - twice as many as 2nd place)
72 Passes (1st)

I thought Ugarte also had a very good game. Although used the ball a bit less effectively than Casemiro. No doubt his thread is also full of the same tiresome agenda posting.

 

[The Hilton]

Ironic. Considering you seem to have gone to the effort of looking up individual player stats, then deliberately ignored Casemiro’s most impressive contributions. I know you’ve already seen these but FAO anyone else who’s interested (team ranking in brackets).

94 touches (1st)
4 Key Passes (1st - twice as many as 2nd place)
72 Passes (1st)

I think you need to brush up on what irony means. Criticising posters exaggerating without evidence while using stats to inform my own opinion is reasonable, the forum would be a much better place if more posters did it.

Your post doesn't actually contradict mine either, I said he had a decent game with some good and some bad. I'll combine the stats for anyone else interested.

94 touches (1st)
4 Key Passes (1st - twice as many as 2nd place)
72 Attempted Passes (1st)
79% passing completion (8th, Cunha, Sesko, Lammens worse)
16 possession lost (9th, only Cunha and Lammens more)
36% duel success rate (11th)

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think you need to brush up on what irony means. Criticising posters exaggerating without evidence while using stats to inform my own opinion is reasonable, the forum would be a much better place if more posters did it.

Your post doesn't actually contradict mine either, I said he had a decent game with some good and some bad. I'll combine the stats for anyone else interested.

94 touches (1st)
4 Key Passes (1st - twice as many as 2nd place)
72 Attempted Passes (1st)
79% passing completion (8th, Cunha, Sesko, Lammens worse)
16 possession lost (9th, only Cunha and Lammens more)
36% duel success rate (11th)

You just repeated stats that you’ve already brought up, with the addition of the ones you previously ignored that I had helpfully reminded you of. Not sure what that achieved but ok.

 

[The Hilton]

You just repeated stats that you’ve already brought up, with the addition of the ones you previously ignored that I had helpfully reminded you of. Not sure what that achieved but ok.

You're trying to make this adversarial when there's no need for it to be, I'm really not sure why. I didn't ignore anything.

I did exactly that, put the stats I brought up and put them alongside the stats that you brought up, converting them into the same format. The reasons were twofold; firstly to highlight the stats you'd mentioned to placate your unhappiness that I didn't put them in my first post, and secondly to further illustrate the point that it was a middle of the road performance. Casemiro did some stuff well, and some stuff badly. I imagine we're in agreement about that.

 

[DON’T PANIC ™]

If only Casemiro would wake up to the fact that he’s too slow to dribble and too weak to hold up the ball for more than a second or so in this league. Loses the ball every time and it happens a couple of times every game . He’s still a decent player but needs to adapt and recognise his limitations.

 

[Olecurls99]

You're trying to make this adversarial when there's no need for it to be, I'm really not sure why. I didn't ignore anything.

I did exactly that, put the stats I brought up and put them alongside the stats that you brought up, converting them into the same format. The reasons were twofold; firstly to highlight the stats you'd mentioned to placate your unhappiness that I didn't put them in my first post, and secondly to further illustrate the point that it was a middle of the road performance. Casemiro did some stuff well, and some stuff badly. I imagine we're in agreement about that.

Ha ha. Glorious

 

[Jordan_mufc]

Abysmal today. We can't carry midfielders playing like that. At fault for the first goal and sliding all over the place and getting the run around for the 2nd goal.

 

[Orton]

Abysmal today. We can't carry midfielders playing like that. At fault for the first goal and sliding all over the place and getting the run around for the 2nd goal.

First goal wouldn’t have happened if Heaven just closed down quicker. Shaw and Martinez both got turned for the 2nd. Proper schoolboy stuff.

 

[LukeChadwick36]

I cannot wait until he leaves.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Yeah that was a bit of a horror show today. Whoever is managing us until the end of the season needs a midfielder.

 

[edgecutter]

Thank god his contract ends this summer

 

[Roboc7]

He was awful, every season he’s been here at some point it’s like his legs go completely. I hope he’s not heading in that direction but he’s never been able to maintain it for a whole season.

 

[Drainy]

Let us down tonight. Anyone can have a bad game but the lack of effort on their first was disappointing

 

[Bobski]

He looked very pedestrian tonight, was being beaten on the turn constantly.

2 games in a week is too much for him.

 

[Rustyspider13]

He just hasn't got the legs. I feel sad every time I see him miss a tackle because he's always a yard slower. You can't have your DM lacking in athleticism. Ugochokwu showed how it is supposed to be. It's not his fault that he's put into these positions by our horrible squad planning.

 

[AndyMUFC]

He's just not good enough to start for us in the Premier League at this point in his career.

 

[Dan_F]

He seemed to be getting a bit of praise in the last few games but I can’t see it. I’d probably try Ugarte with Mainoo against Brighton and see how it looks.

Maybe he’ll be useful in the derby if we’re going to play a low block.