Such a classy player. He’s so good and professional. He deserved to have won so much more with us and I’m gutted he didn’t get to compete in Europe with us in his last season. I’d love for him to come back one day in another role at the club.
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He has been great whenever he's been allowed to play in a normal formation/ midfield.
It's just unlucky for him that he's played under two of the dimmest Manchester United managers in our clubs history
No. He was thrown to wolves by incompetent managers who have no understanding or value of what a constructive midfield brings to a team.
Basically asking the janitor to perform brain surgery in the hospital.
Genuinely thought his season was over after that foul.
Indeed. Lets be honest: we wasted years of Casemiro's career. One of the best defensive midfielders in the game was made to play in systems that would expose anyone. Had we got a competent coach who played a compact formation after we ditched Ten Hag we could have had what we are seeing now.
He is currently playing outstanding football. World Class player.
Hard to believe it’s not Scholes,
it‘s Casemiroooo…
Something I love about Case is that you can tell he will end up like Schweinsteiger in a few years supporting us on social media. Class footballer and cult hero
He started off slowly, but then had a period where he was every bit as good as he has been recently. I remember people claiming he was the best midfielder in the league for a while there. Unfortunately he did drop off and was only 'good-ish' for the second half of that season though.
His second season was the only one where he was bad and a lot of people thought he was finished, but that was almost completely due to the utterly incompetent system that ETH had us playing. No midfielder in the history of the game could have done what he was being asked to do that season.
Third season he was back to a similar level as he showed in his first, due to both ETH and Amorim playing a relatively normal midfield again that season.
Fourth season he's probably improved a little further, particularly this last month where he's looking fantastic again. Hopefully he can keep that up through to the end of the season.
Sounds about right indeed.. I remember te spell where Eriksen and him and Bruno at 10 worked really well for a larger part of eth season 1.
Prime Casemiro probably starts for All Time World starting XI
He'd be in the mix, that's for sure.
Seems like he's been playing so much better since he announced he's leaving.
Was he always this classy at Madrid as well? I barely watched them, but always had this impression that Casemiro was "just" an extremely good destroyer sitting behind Modric and Kroos, who did all the playmaking. Never really realize how well-rounded he is as a CM.
Imagine if we'd gotten him three or four years earlier. What an upgrade that would have been on the likes of Fred and McTominay.
Imagine if we'd gotten him three or four years earlier. What an upgrade that would have been on the likes of Fred and McTominay.
Don't care what his wages are, I know it's a lot, but he's, on form, among the best in the world in that kind of position.
It's clear as day over the last few games. Put him where he should play, with players who suit him, and look at the level of performance: back to, genuinely, world class level.
We are not replacing him easily. This is why I'd have done some financial tricks to keep him, even on that salary, for one more year as we also buy two new midfielders and seek to transition him out. That just made too much sense for INEOS etc., apparently. If he were shit, I'd say get rid but he's fecking bossing it week in week out and with a bigger calendar next year, having him doing cameos in all comps (resting him well) would have been invaluable. Moot point now, but I think we'll regret it.
It's clear as day over the last few games. Put him where he should play, with players who suit him, and look at the level of performance: back to, genuinely, world class level.
We are not replacing him easily. This is why I'd have done some financial tricks to keep him, even on that salary, for one more year as we also buy two new midfielders and seek to transition him out. That just made too much sense for INEOS etc., apparently. If he were shit, I'd say get rid but he's fecking bossing it week in week out and with a bigger calendar next year, having him doing cameos in all comps (resting him well) would have been invaluable. Moot point now, but I think we'll regret it.
Ahead of likes of Matthäus ,Rijkaard ,Busquets really
Not an easy one, but he's in contention. May be on the bench though as there are also others you haven't named who are in that kind of echelon of player. But consider that Messi may be left out of an all time XI and you could justify it if you put Maradona/Pele/Ronaldo (either one at their best, not forgetting Best himself, too) up front in a 433.
In other words, it shows how great Casemiro is that he's even in that conversation (and deserves to be, whether he makes it or not).
He has been a great player but I don't think even Madrid fans could argue his case for inclusion in World 11 and no you cant justify keeping Messi out of any world eleven .
We as a fanbase seem to have lost a bit of sense when it comes to rating of our players either they are trash or bestest ever .
Sure you can. It's not easy, but I just did it within a 433 system with players, whom, after a certain threshold, are all, basically, as good as each other with almost no difference (playing at their prime).
It's like saying I cannot justify Nadal over Federer or Federer over Nadal (which goes back to the Ronaldo/Messi endless discussion). I absolutely can because after a certain point, which each are over, in terms of brilliance, it becomes more personal preference. As it goes, I'd have Messi there but you can absolutely make a world XI without him "starting" and given the primes and achievements of the others who are there, it's basically an opinion more than fact.
I am really worried that we're going to be expecting whoever replaces him to immediately be at the same level, what he lacks as he gets older he more than makes up for in experience and his influence on his team mates.
We saw how well a similar transition was made under Fergie in the early 90s from Robson to Ince to Keane in our midfield.
We're expecting Anderson/ Baleba to immediatly hit the ground running.
We saw how well a similar transition was made under Fergie in the early 90s from Robson to Ince to Keane in our midfield.
We're expecting Anderson/ Baleba to immediatly hit the ground running.
Whoever we get will never be able to replace his experience/know-how. It'll be a massive loss.
Not sure there is a DM in the world playing at his level who also has his experience for the game.
Yep. We wasted the majority of his contract here. An absolute shambles and mismatch between player and those managing him.
Have always been a proponent of his, found the reaction to his second season performances with that suicidal formation bewildering, not a single player in the history of the game could be asked to make that madness work.
Hope either him or the upper management whichever is the main factor in his decision to part ways to change their minds and for him to stay albeit on a more modest wage, we could do much much worse than what case can offer and I do like seeing him win trophies with us again.
Hope either him or the upper management whichever is the main factor in his decision to part ways to change their minds and for him to stay albeit on a more modest wage, we could do much much worse than what case can offer and I do like seeing him win trophies with us again.
We should keep him on. An extra year of this version of uncle Cas and I think we win the league.
Would require a hefty pay cut.
He's gonna be a real nightmare to try to find a replacement for. If Carrick does get the full-time gig (honestly even if he doesn't), solving this is gonna be the top priority; we've seen how quickly our shape fell apart once he got substituted against Fulham. And this isn't even accounting for the necessary depth with European football potentially (not to jinx it) looming next season.
Wharton is probably the closest I can think of that fits Casemiro's profile. Ironically Carrick himself fits the profile pretty well, too.
Wharton is probably the closest I can think of that fits Casemiro's profile. Ironically Carrick himself fits the profile pretty well, too.
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The thing that makes Case so special right now is his aerial ability. Don't think there's anyone we can get that will tick all the midfield play boxes and that one of being so aerially dominant. He's like a magnet to the ball, similar to how Evra used to connect with so many headers. We'll have to find a way to compensate some other way.
With regards to midfield play, I think Anderson should be the number one option.
Is know how and experience. There's only Rodri who just knows what to do at all times in that area of the pitch outside of Casemiro in the entire league. The amount of nuance that gives us is so massive, an extensive list in a post would have to be made to reel it all off.
His aerial ability is a welcome bonus as he is the best midfielder in both boxes, too.
There's going to be void without him; we sigh about Ugarte, but it won't be only he who hasn't a prayer of filling in for Casemiro and the drop off is going to be noticeable when so much of that nuance in knowing what to do and where to be is no longer there.
He's as impossible to replace as Real have found for all 3 of their legendary midfield unit. Not one of them have been replaced or covered by more than 50%.
That's true, on paper a midfield of Tchouameni, Cama and Valverde was even touted to be an upgrade, but alas, football doesn't work that way.
I agree with what you say, but we can't really buy that can we? We have to find the player with the right characteristics and skillset which links into the type of football we want to play.
It'll never not annoy me because part of the reason you bring in aged all-timers is to have their successors rinse every bit of knowledge they can manage out of them and we had zero planning or contingency in regards to doing this, although I'm sure Kobbie is, at this time, taking in what he can like a sponge.
I made a number of posts when Casemiro came in hoping there was a plan in place for others to learn from him and have the collective bar of midfielding at the club improve, and then ETH turned into the Mad King. Amorim lacked comprehension so we lost invaluable time levelling up the midfield there, too. It's disappointing because that's a large part of how Casemiro would have been worth every penny outside his own direct contribution.
We're in for a tough time if he does go as whoever comes in will be under the microscope and that know how and nuance will be absent, so we're going to have to try and compensate, but as Real have shown, that's incredibly difficult.
Spot on. Shame it has taken us so long to get the very best out of him
100%
Our squad/succession planning has probably been one of the worst in the league. Doesn't help that our managers have been all over the place with how they use the players too.
It's clear to see how much Kobbie has been learning while playing with Case, the two just look so in sync together, not just while playing but the way the talk hype each other.
You dont leave him a drift, playing a sole midfielder with nobody around him but give him protection and pack the midfield and surprise surprise, he plays like a rolls royce of a player like he used to.
Hmm, Prime Casemiro or Prime Keane?
I may be biased but I would still argue Keane is a level ahead. Two absolutely outstanding players though.
I may be biased but I would still argue Keane is a level ahead. Two absolutely outstanding players though.
While I agree with everyone about the downsides to losing Casemiro, I do think there can be a big upside in having a high intensity midfielder in there to really boost the pressure we put on teams in their own half. The chances we'll create from this sort of pressure will really help with the low blocks we face.
While i'd really love to keep Case on, for all the reasons of mentoring etc mentioned above, but I think it's a really tough sell to a player of his calibre who still has a lot of football left in his legs and the capacity for one more big move.
We'd effectively be asking him to take a pay cut while we also sign his successor, asking him to smoothly transition the midfield for a team without him, and reducing his playing time significantly. Of course, it may be a project he's interested to engage with if he is looking to move into a coaching role - but most footballers back themselves to be playing over anyone else and I don't see how we can compete with offers from other leagues that are 1. more lucrative and 2. guaranteed more playing time.
We'd effectively be asking him to take a pay cut while we also sign his successor, asking him to smoothly transition the midfield for a team without him, and reducing his playing time significantly. Of course, it may be a project he's interested to engage with if he is looking to move into a coaching role - but most footballers back themselves to be playing over anyone else and I don't see how we can compete with offers from other leagues that are 1. more lucrative and 2. guaranteed more playing time.
Two different players as well. Keane in his high prime was way more box-to-box and would make more runs in behind and arrive in the oppositions penalty area. Casemiro is more about having everything in front of him, and is also better in the air.
'Steady Eddy'
still ludicrous to think he was called that.People in this very thread were calling him a lot worse to be fair. Think some called him the worst signing of all time at one point.