[Roboc7]

He can’t play 90 mins and his form has fluctuated massively every season he’s been here. Would be stupid to extend his contract given his current salary.

 

[Orange Tree]

Not for his current wage, that would be stupid. I don't think he is that bad, but for 300k+ a week, you'd expect better.

 

[jymufc20]

I don’t mind that at all. Ugarte is ahead of him on the chopping block for me, and keeping posters with his experience and personality is good for a squad. Not only that but he’s shown he can very much still contribute.

I didn't realise he was on here, what's his username?

 

[Ted Lasso]

Could very well also mean, getting a proper transfer fee should he move to the middle east.

Also don't mind the idea of him being a part time role and mentor if we get in Baleba or Wharton in the summer

 

[pelterz]

Just wanted to post here and to say Casemiro has actually been quite good for us so far.

He held it down very well against Arsenal, and was strong vs Burnley. With fewer games, I think he's going to surprise a lot of fans this season.

He wouldn’t get anywhere near last seasons top 10 teams at the very least.

 

[giggs-beckham]

Not for me with his wages for another 2 seasons combined.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Could very well also mean, getting a proper transfer fee should he move to the middle east.

Also don't mind the idea of him being a part time role and mentor if we get in Baleba or Wharton in the summer

Let’s protect his value.

 

[Sandikan]

Keep him until the summer - probably a given, both because we have so few options, can't be trusted to buy a better option in Jan and obviously no-one will take those wages off our hands..

But to actually consider extending for another year is just absolute insane talk.

 

[NZT-One]

I don’t mind that at all. Ugarte is ahead of him on the chopping block for me, and keeping posters with his experience and personality is good for a squad. Not only that but he’s shown he can very much still contribute.

He contributed wonderfully to the successful recent past and really is needed to continue to play the wonderful way we do

 

[pocco]

I didn't realise he was on here, what's his username?

@rimaldo

 

[pocco]

He contributed wonderfully to the successful recent past and really is needed to continue to play the wonderful way we do

The fact of the matter is that he’s in our first 11 and has been for a while. He’s more than adequate backup next season when we have hopefully improved the CM spots. After that he will no doubt be replaced, and hopefully we’ll then have great options there.

And whilst you’re being sarcastic about his contribution to poor performances, imagine how bad we’d have been without him. Mainoo and Ugarte can’t get ahead of this guy who you are mocking, or our other CM who everyone wants rid of. High IQ stuff from some posters as usual - sell our best options and keep the players who can’t even get them out of the team! Bruno and Casemiro along with 2 new CMs is far better than Ugarte and Mainoo plus the 2 CMs based on everything that actually matters on the pitch.

 

[Reds Under The Bed]

There's certainly a certain logic to keeping him around for his experience and professional attitude which should set an example for other players.
It will only be a problem if he's starting games regularly next season with no new midfielders taking those spots.
Being in the squad though is not such a big issue.

 

[Mike Smalling]

He is already declining physically. We need to move on and invest in the midfield. Getting his wages off the salary list would be a big help.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Renew on a significantly reduced wages is alright, as in, not more than 120K pw for a year and with an option of another year, definitely not on his current wages.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I've got a lot of time for Casemiro but that time doesn't extend to another full season.

Rebuilding our midfield is the absolute number 1 priority next summer.

 

[Devarshi]

Renew on a significantly reduced wages is alright, as in, not more than 120K pw for a year and with an option of another year, definitely not on his current wages.

Only way this makes sense is if Case agrees to reduce wages, yep.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Hope we win won more trophy with him (only 1 left we can win mind). Want him to go out as at least a United great with a few honours.

 

[RedSky]

Only way this makes sense is if Case agrees to reduce wages, yep.

*Massively reduce

 

[ron86]

He was a stupid signing factoring in the money involved and age however over the time he's been here he has generally been our best mf and a model pro.
I don't think there's any chance we extend him however and nor should we.
In the summer, We need to be replacing him, Bruno and Ugarte with quality at the right age

 

[Xeque_279]

Could very well also mean, getting a proper transfer fee should he move to the middle east.

Also don't mind the idea of him being a part time role and mentor if we get in Baleba or Wharton in the summer

That would be great, but all depends on the wages he would ask for. No way we can renew at the same wage.

 

[NZT-One]

The fact of the matter is that he’s in our first 11 and has been for a while.

You are right. He became a bit of a cornerstone for a team that deservedly got 8th and 15th in subsequent years.

He’s more than adequate backup next season when we have hopefully improved the CM spots.

Each to their own I guess. I for one don't think that a functional midfield can be build with him anymore. Certainly not the way Amorim seemingly wants to play. Certainly not a sensible one. Casemiro is not a good enough player to build a team around him. If we don't build around him, he'll be exposed due to his lack of mobility. I have no idea how anybody would come to the conclusion that a team that makes so much effort to increase the height of their defensive line should play Casemiro in 2025.

After that he will no doubt be replaced, and hopefully we’ll then have great options there.

If we keep him for another year, it will me more money wasted on players who aren't the future while also not helping in the present. Its not a sustainable approach. If we were to compete for trophies and we would want somebody to add some fight, set piece danger and experience, I'd be able to see your point but we are out there in the desert. There is simply no point keeping a player like him.

And whilst you’re being sarcastic about his contribution to poor performances, imagine how bad we’d have been without him. Mainoo and Ugarte can’t get ahead of this guy who you are mocking, or our other CM who everyone wants rid of.

Where are we with him? Such a weird angle to look at things. He is here, we know where we are with him. That other options in the squad offer even less doesn't make Casemiro a better player, I don't know what kind of logic thats supposed to be. The reason Casemiro plays is that the other two options you mentioned are afraid of passing it forwards. Thats the only reason. And it isn't as if we'd get a lot out of it. Just another player trying long balls in behind that get picked up by defenders 7 out of 10 times.

High IQ stuff from some posters as usual - sell our best options and keep the players who can’t even get them out of the team!

Not sure what the personal attack is supposed to achieve.

Bruno and Casemiro along with 2 new CMs is far better than Ugarte and Mainoo plus the 2 CMs based on everything that actually matters on the pitch.

It is probably better right now. But better isn't necessarily good. Amorim himself indicated that he has to adapt to Casemiros weaknesses in mobility. It is bad enough that we neglected midfield this summer and there is a good chance, that this will cost the current manager the job, but talking about potentially extending one of the options that doesn't give us what we need, is crazy in my eyes. But I guess some fans kind of like the deadwood-meter to be in a healthy orange state. Just look around - which teams afford themselves to have midfield that aren't up to it physically?

 

[Remember the geese]

He’s more than adequate backup next season

He isn't though. The fact that he's on £350k a week automatically means that he is not a fit for this football club.

 

[Devil_forever]

At his age, form can go off a cliff in the space of a year. We would be utterly insane to trigger the 1 year extension clause in his contract because that would be at the same salary levels.

 

[pocco]

You are right. He became a bit of a cornerstone for a team that deservedly got 8th and 15th in subsequent years.

To me it is simple, he is looking a lot better again since somewhere in the second part of last season, and is deservedly in our first 11. His character seems fine, he's experienced, he's been successful, he has shown he can step up in the big games (EL last season he was brilliant, against City last season he broke records for his ball winning etc). For me personally, I'd rather cash in on somebody like Ugarte for £30m and have Casemiro for another year as a back up player. We have Mainoo, plus numerous promising youngsters and whoever we sign. That is potentially a situation where we end up with very good depth with a mix of youth and experience.

Each to their own I guess. I for one don't think that a functional midfield can be build with him anymore. Certainly not the way Amorim seemingly wants to play. Certainly not a sensible one. Casemiro is not a good enough player to build a team around him. If we don't build around him, he'll be exposed due to his lack of mobility. I have no idea how anybody would come to the conclusion that a team that makes so much effort to increase the height of their defensive line should play Casemiro in 2025.

Amorim himself has said that he has figured out how to use him, and since that time Casemiro has been one of our most consistent players in my opinion. So I don't think he necessarily doesn't work, but he would fare better with a different partner. Which is the issue for practically all of our midfield options. I also think that more will come from the system in terms of support for the CMs. At Sporting he had CBs pushing into that area to provide support, which is something we are seeing a bit more here but I feel like there is still a bit of confusion with the CBs over when to go and when to stay.

If we keep him for another year, it will me more money wasted on players who aren't the future while also not helping in the present. Its not a sustainable approach. If we were to compete for trophies and we would want somebody to add some fight, set piece danger and experience, I'd be able to see your point but we are out there in the desert. There is simply no point keeping a player like him.

Fight, set piece danger and experience...isn't that exactly what he brings? He has also been very good with his passing and interplay too. The legs aren't there like they used to be, but in 12 months time I think we will have players who bring that to the table. The same is an issue for Bruno (more so pace), Mainoo (pace and endurance) and Ugarte (has the legs but gets pulled all over the place through his desire to chase the ball). His wages are a bit of an issue and maybe something will be worked out between them, but if you could recoup some decent fee for Ugarte, then that is the way to go.

Where are we with him? Such a weird angle to look at things. He is here, we know where we are with him. That other options in the squad offer even less doesn't make Casemiro a better player, I don't know what kind of logic thats supposed to be. The reason Casemiro plays is that the other two options you mentioned are afraid of passing it forwards. Thats the only reason. And it isn't as if we'd get a lot out of it. Just another player trying long balls in behind that get picked up by defenders 7 out of 10 times.

So you agree then? Are you suggesting we sell all our midfield options? I'd rather we didn't and I'd rather keep the ones who actually perform to an acceptable level. I don't care about the money but about performances. And there is still an argument that selling Ugarte or possibly even Mainoo for a bigger fee, is better financially than removing Casemiro's wages.

It is probably better right now. But better isn't necessarily good. Amorim himself indicated that he has to adapt to Casemiros weaknesses in mobility. It is bad enough that we neglected midfield this summer and there is a good chance, that this will cost the current manager the job, but talking about potentially extending one of the options that doesn't give us what we need, is crazy in my eyes. But I guess some fans kind of like the deadwood-meter to be in a healthy orange state. Just look around - which teams afford themselves to have midfield that aren't up to it physically?

Casemiro is up to it physically, he's one of the best in the league at winning the ball. He suffers because he lacks mobility a bit, but he already looks better in that department so far this season and has looked in good physical shape. It's all well and good writing everybody off as deadwood, but you can't sell all of your players. This is why, in my opinion, having Casemiro for an extra year is a safe bet.

He isn't though. The fact that he's on £350k a week automatically means that he is not a fit for this football club.

Admittedly the wages are an issue, but he won't bring us any money. Perhaps the club will prefer to sell Ugarte and add more money into the transfer pot. Or perhaps they can agree some sort of reduced terms deal with Casemiro to keep him around, though that will rely on his desire to stay here. Having said that, he could have gone in the summer but wanted to stay, so maybe there is an avenue to explore there.

 

[Remember the geese]

To me it is simple, he is looking a lot better again since somewhere in the second part of last season, and is deservedly in our first 11. His character seems fine, he's experienced, he's been successful, he has shown he can step up in the big games (EL last season he was brilliant, against City last season he broke records for his ball winning etc). For me personally, I'd rather cash in on somebody like Ugarte for £30m and have Casemiro for another year as a back up player. We have Mainoo, plus numerous promising youngsters and whoever we sign. That is potentially a situation where we end up with very good depth with a mix of youth and experience.

No, completely disagree. We shouldn't have anyone earning £350k a week at the club. Let alone someone who you are proposing as a squad player. Ugarte is on much more sensible wages, but is disappointing on the pitch. He gets the rest of the season to shape up or be shipped out. The only way Casemiro can stay for another year is if he accepts a heavily reduced contract - and I mean heavily. Somewhere around £100-150k a week.

 

[pocco]

No, completely disagree. We shouldn't have anyone earning £350k a week at the club. Let alone someone who you are proposing as a squad player. Ugarte is on much more sensible wages, but is disappointing on the pitch. He gets the rest of the season to shape up or be shipped out. The only way Casemiro can stay for another year is if he accepts a heavily reduced contract - and I mean heavily. Somewhere around £100-150k a week.

That's all well and good, but we could probably get £30m for Ugarte, plus his wages off the books. So, whilst Casemiro is on high wages, selling Ugarte is probably better financially and from a football perspective.

If, and it is a huge 'if', he performs a lot better this season and displaces Casemiro, then we obviously let Casemiro go. Whatever is better for the team.

 

[Remember the geese]

That's all well and good, but we could probably get £30m for Ugarte, plus his wages off the books. So, whilst Casemiro is on high wages, selling Ugarte is probably better financially and from a football perspective.

If, and it is a huge 'if', he performs a lot better this season and displaces Casemiro, then we obviously let Casemiro go. Whatever is better for the team.

It's not an either/or situation. Casemiro should go regardless. There isn't really a world where he should stay. If Ugarte performs this season, he can stay. If he doesn't, he follows Casemiro out the door.

 

[pocco]

It's not an either/or situation. Casemiro should go regardless. There isn't really a world where he should stay. If Ugarte performs this season, he can stay. If he doesn't, he follows Casemiro out the door.

If we can sign 4 new CMs then great. But right now everyone wants Casemiro to be allowed to leave, Mainoo is up in the air and may leave if he doesn't improve and play more, everyone wants us to cash in on Bruno next summer, and Ugarte is the most disposable of the lot. So if everyone gets their way, we'll have no midfielders.

 

[Remember the geese]

If we can sign 4 new CMs then great. But right now everyone wants Casemiro to be allowed to leave, Mainoo is up in the air and may leave if he doesn't improve and play more, everyone wants us to cash in on Bruno next summer, and Ugarte is the most disposable of the lot. So if everyone gets their way, we'll have no midfielders.

If we need to sign 4, we'll sign 4. Realistically, one or two will leave, one or two will stay and one or two will be signed. Casemiro, however, does not get to stay another year on those ridiculous wages. It will be a blessing to lose him.

 

[NZT-One]

To me it is simple, he is looking a lot better again since somewhere in the second part of last season, and is deservedly in our first 11. His character seems fine, he's experienced, he's been successful, he has shown he can step up in the big games (EL last season he was brilliant, against City last season he broke records for his ball winning etc). For me personally, I'd rather cash in on somebody like Ugarte for £30m and have Casemiro for another year as a back up player. We have Mainoo, plus numerous promising youngsters and whoever we sign. That is potentially a situation where we end up with very good depth with a mix of youth and experience.

Cant believe what I am reading here. But as I said, each to their own. I salude everybody who is able to be so optimistic about the state of Uniteds midfield.

Amorim himself has said that he has figured out how to use him, and since that time Casemiro has been one of our most consistent players in my opinion. So I don't think he necessarily doesn't work, but he would fare better with a different partner. Which is the issue for practically all of our midfield options. I also think that more will come from the system in terms of support for the CMs. At Sporting he had CBs pushing into that area to provide support, which is something we are seeing a bit more here but I feel like there is still a bit of confusion with the CBs over when to go and when to stay.

He figured out a way to not expose him, so he is at least somewhat playable. Again - who else in our league is playing players that are as immobile as he is? And the rest is exactly what we should avoid - mixing up plans and roles to make sure we can play fecking Casemiro. He isn't good enough to warrant this. if we want to play on the front foot, we have to play a higher line, thats not an environment Casemiro can play in. And it hasn't been for the last like 5 years. It is completely pointless to throw minutes in the bin that could go to a younger player who might have it in him to be the future of United. Casemiro for sure is not. And since the need for winners isn't exactly nr. 1 on our list of issues (long list admittedly) there is just no point dragging the inevitable end out without getting anything in return.

Fight, set piece danger and experience...isn't that exactly what he brings? He has also been very good with his passing and interplay too. The legs aren't there like they used to be, but in 12 months time I think we will have players who bring that to the table. The same is an issue for Bruno (more so pace), Mainoo (pace and endurance) and Ugarte (has the legs but gets pulled all over the place through his desire to chase the ball). His wages are a bit of an issue and maybe something will be worked out between them, but if you could recoup some decent fee for Ugarte, then that is the way to go.

Thats what I mean, the things he is giving us would be nice to have from an impact sub to bring a very good team to a team that wins stuff. But we arent. We are just figuring out a half decent way to be a functional team again. And Casemiro has no business in that as long as we dont intend to go back to "get deep and compact and go for counters" which fortunately we seemingly have stopped.

So you agree then? Are you suggesting we sell all our midfield options? I'd rather we didn't and I'd rather keep the ones who actually perform to an acceptable level. I don't care about the money but about performances. And there is still an argument that selling Ugarte or possibly even Mainoo for a bigger fee, is better financially than removing Casemiro's wages.

I'd have not the smallest issue selling all our midfield assets. Short twitching with Mainoo because he is young and I'd also keep Ugarte to be honest because if nothing, at least he offers steel and mobility which we do need (even if we need other things as well) but if needed, sell them all. If you make a mistake bringing in an aging player on huge wages, you don't double down on it. It was a mistake with Maguire, and it would be mistake with Casemiro.

Casemiro is up to it physically, he's one of the best in the league at winning the ball. He suffers because he lacks mobility a bit, but he already looks better in that department so far this season and has looked in good physical shape. It's all well and good writing everybody off as deadwood, but you can't sell all of your players. This is why, in my opinion, having Casemiro for an extra year is a safe bet.

don't know what to say... seems so wrong to me but see 1st paragraph i guess

 

[poleglass red]

At his age, form can go off a cliff in the space of a year. We would be utterly insane to trigger the 1 year extension clause in his contract because that would be at the same salary levels.

no chance we trigger that. He can't even play 90 mins in a season where we've no European football.

 

[matsdf]

I do not have words for this.

 

[Stig]

Absolute moron.

 

[Top]

Most predictable red card since his last one.

 

[Sylar]

On a yellow, not even last man, close to half time, why put both your hands on the guy right in front of the ref? He gave the ref an option to do this. It's unbelievable

 

[PeteManic]

He officially doubled his wages coming to United. And doubled his stupidity.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

On a yellow, not even last man, close to half time, why put both your hands on the guy right in front of the ref? He gave the ref an option to do this. It's unbelievable

Because he's played hundreds and hundreds of matches at the highest level and knows when 99% of referees will give a second yellow. Not his fault the Scouse ref felt bad for Chelsea.

 

[2cents]

Braindead. I’d say 99% of us on here thought about the possibility of a red card once he got the first yellow, so no surprise.

 

[RuudtheRed]

Unfortunate but it seemed like he got 2 yellows for 2 fouls. On the other hand Cucurella was kicking lumps out of players in exchange for 1 yellow card. Did get the winner so there's that

 

[JB08]

Stupid fecking twonk.