Sorry, but no way is that a second yellow card
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Scored the winner but it is truly baffling that someone with his experience can be so stupid as to make those two challenges when he did at those times of the game the way the game was going. You must know the referee will try and even it up so don’t give him any reason to. Let alone for two challenges not anywhere near posing a massive danger to us.
It was absolutely that bad holy feck.Come on mate. It wasn’t that bad
Yep, it’s a clear yellow for me. Foolish challenge to make when already booked and the ref’s itching to level things up.
He's a good player, but that Santos is a diving cnut. He was doing it all game and bought that yellow well.
Asides from the obvious, Case is generally is a very good big game player.
Asides from the obvious, Case is generally is a very good big game player.
It absolutely is. He's pulling the player back with his whole arm across their chest, and while the intensity of the foul itself is not yellow-worthy, it absolutely becomes a yellow in the context of the game state. It was a tactical foul to prevent Chelsea's break, and that's always been a yellow card.
There's only one party who made a mistake there, and it was Casemiro. Not the referee for giving him the card that was totally within the rules of the game, and not Amorim for not predicting that Casemiro would get himself a second yellow card in such a short time and subbing him off.
Cucharella and Shaw both did this earlier in the game and it wasn't a booking.
Also Casemiro has his hands on him for barely any time at all.
You think you play him for his experience and cool head... and then this. Goal was nice but he isn't in the team to pop up. Apart from those scenes I don't think he stood out.
Casemiro was clinging to him plenty to have an effect, and that is all that matters for it to be a foul.
I don't quite remember the Shaw and Cucurella scenes, but then again that does not matter. Whether another scene was judged differently has no bearing on whether or not this yellow card was well within the rules. You can complain about inconsistent interpretation of the rules then, but saying it's "never a yellow" is nonsense.
Cuccurella should’ve got multiple yellows. Shaw was only saved from getting a yellow, I’d imagine, because when he did it, the ball was still in goalkeeper’s hands. It was a fairly unique situation but he was doing a risky thing.
Casemiro grabbed Santos very noticeably, giving the latter the opportunity to play into it and followed that obvious grab in front of the ref with a tackle, essentially ending the episode, forcing the ref to make a decision. While Santos was posing next to no threat. It’s amateur stuff, really.
I'm baffled as to how some people don't see that second yellow as a yellow. He's pulling the guy back and trying to make a tactical foul. He ended up sliding in and won the ball, but pulled him back to do it. If that's his first yellow card of the game, nobody complains. You can't do that when you're already on a yellow.
If we dropped points, I would have 100% blamed him. It should have been an easy game for us, and his stupidly turned it into a much more difficult game.
If we dropped points, I would have 100% blamed him. It should have been an easy game for us, and his stupidly turned it into a much more difficult game.
I felt bad for Amorim after how much trust he has put into him. What’s the point of all that experience if you are going to do this?Come on mate. It wasn’t that bad
As an experienced, senior player, it's totally unnacceptable. All he had to do was just be sensible until HT. He gave the ref the decision to make, and we know how that goes for us recently.
Never, ever a yellow
He had a good game
He had a good game
That's never ever a second yellow or a yellow, and I honestly don't understand how someone could think that it is one. There are a lot of times where that's not even given as a foul, let alone a yellow.
I would fine him the max possible.
Idiotic first yellow completely unnecessary and then the second debatable but on balance probably deserved.
When a supposed stalwart who will make good decisions and see it out for is a fecking liability is a problem then we have a problem.
That could/should have been 4 or 5 nil and yet we made it a struggle……. Down to his idiocy
Idiotic first yellow completely unnecessary and then the second debatable but on balance probably deserved.
When a supposed stalwart who will make good decisions and see it out for is a fecking liability is a problem then we have a problem.
That could/should have been 4 or 5 nil and yet we made it a struggle……. Down to his idiocy
Which suggests you were looking for an opportunity to blame him.
Whether you believe its a yellow or not, he gave the referee a decision to make while he was on a yellow, as it was definitely a foul.
Instead of us peppering Chelsea in the second half to 4/5-0 win, where everyone can chip with a goal or assist and get then confidence up, we gave them the chance to almost equalise at the end.
So yeah, not a smart thing to do.
Instead of us peppering Chelsea in the second half to 4/5-0 win, where everyone can chip with a goal or assist and get then confidence up, we gave them the chance to almost equalise at the end.
So yeah, not a smart thing to do.
Not every foul has to come with a booking.
So the Shaw one we had a set piece and the ball goes into the box and the keeper claims it. Enzo quickly makes a run forward so he has a player to throw the ball to and Shaw sees him breaking past him so he pulls him and he goes to the floor. Thats a clear yellow usually, when you are making the foul to save yourself having to try and win the ball cleanly
The Casemiro one shouldnt be because he's trying to use his arms to get leverage and position to make a challenge, something that goes on all day all over the pitch in a football match. If that makes it a foul every corner and set piece would be a penalty because players are using their arms on each other.
I don't understand what you mean. You wouldn't have blamed him if we dropped points after being in an extremely comfortable position before his red card? He's the most experienced player on the team, but makes some horrible decisions. Expecting him to not do anything stupid until HT should have been a reasonable ask.
The yellow was debatable I agree, but people saying it wasn't even a foul is ridiculous.
That second yellow is beyond bizarre. Normally refs give extra leniency for the second one but this cnut decided to whip it out for something that I'm not even convinced is a foul.
Football isn't a non-contact sport. It was a tussle for the ball and Casemiro won it.
Football isn't a non-contact sport. It was a tussle for the ball and Casemiro won it.
He didn’t endanger anyone. He didn’t prevent a goal scoring opportunity. It wasn’t unsportsmanlike behaviour. It is debatable whether it was even a foul in the first place. But it was judged a second yellow card and got him sent off.
It’s a horrendous decision. Compare it with other fouls which are more dangerous to the opponent or tactical which get waved away, even within this game.
I can’t believe anyone is arguing otherwise.
It’s a horrendous decision. Compare it with other fouls which are more dangerous to the opponent or tactical which get waved away, even within this game.
I can’t believe anyone is arguing otherwise.
At the absolute worst it was a free kick. Was never a card.
Yep you can argue he shouldn't have got involved but it was never a 2nd yellow.
If a Chelsea player had been sent off for that I would say exactly the same thing.
Yep you can argue he shouldn't have got involved but it was never a 2nd yellow.
If a Chelsea player had been sent off for that I would say exactly the same thing.
But refs also usually give less leniency when the other team already has a red card.
That's it in a nutshell but Cas was still incredibly stupid.
Do any of our fans ever self-reflect and say is it really always the referee's fault when our players get a red card, or are you just constantly making excuses for our own player's stupidity?
Every other one of our players managed not to pick up a stupid early yellow card by going to ground, and then drag someone back who was running at our defence in our half. It's not actually very difficult to not get sent off, you just don't give the referee reason to send you off, and you won't get sent off.
As a player, you can only control your own actions, not the referee's actions, so assume the worst outcome when you take unnecessary risks. Even the first yellow is just unforgivable stupidity, what the feck is he doing that for?
This is the exact reason you don't make stupid needless tackles to get an early booking, it prevents you from making tactical fouls later when you need to commit a foul that would actually benefit the team.
Every other one of our players managed not to pick up a stupid early yellow card by going to ground, and then drag someone back who was running at our defence in our half. It's not actually very difficult to not get sent off, you just don't give the referee reason to send you off, and you won't get sent off.
As a player, you can only control your own actions, not the referee's actions, so assume the worst outcome when you take unnecessary risks. Even the first yellow is just unforgivable stupidity, what the feck is he doing that for?
This is the exact reason you don't make stupid needless tackles to get an early booking, it prevents you from making tactical fouls later when you need to commit a foul that would actually benefit the team.
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Anyone who thinks that was a deserved red, wise the feck up.
It was a foul at best and nothing more. He got the ball ffs. Did he pull the guy back? Yes but never in a million years is that enough for a 2nd yellow and a red.
Absolute joke of a decision.
It was a foul at best and nothing more. He got the ball ffs. Did he pull the guy back? Yes but never in a million years is that enough for a 2nd yellow and a red.
Absolute joke of a decision.
It simply wasn't worthy of a second yellow.
I know everyone loves a pile on with him but that is the softest second yellow I've ever seen. A lot of refs wouldn't even give a foul there. VVD or Gabriel would never walk for that.
In that game, there were about three bookings like George, Enzo, and Cucurella which were borderline red cards. Cucurella especially had to be looked at as he had both feet off the ground and went in with force.
You can't also be sending players off for minor fouls like Casemiro's were there's nothing particularly dangerous about the play.
In that game, there were about three bookings like George, Enzo, and Cucurella which were borderline red cards. Cucurella especially had to be looked at as he had both feet off the ground and went in with force.
You can't also be sending players off for minor fouls like Casemiro's were there's nothing particularly dangerous about the play.
Its truly baffling how anyone thinks that was a deserved red card. It was barely even a foul ffs.
Why is he even on a yellow card in the first place? Because he's got no brains and no discipline. It was a ridiculous challenge to get the first yellow, completely pointless.
The 2nd one, if the situation was reversed and Chelsea committed that foul already on a yellow and the ref didn't give a 2nd yellow (after we were already down to 10 men), there would be threads made about it on here, and the incident would still be mentioned for the rest of the season to cite how we'd been hard done by.
The weirdest take is those who think it's a foul but not a booking. If it's a foul, it's just a textbook yellow because he's deep inside our half and has broke away and has a free run at our defensive line. If you don't think it's a foul at all, fair enough, that's a more understandable position.
The question is if you truly believe Casemiro can win the ball there despite being the wrong side of the player, and having a pace disadvantage against the opponent who's already ahead of him, without dragging him back? If Casemiro has managed to be behind the opposition player, be slower than the opposition player, and still somehow come out with the ball cleanly without fouling him, that is very impressive.
But again we're missing the point. Don't pick up a needless early booking, and don't climb all over the back of someone when they're breaking away because you've got wrong side, and the ref can't send you off.
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He's a combative midfielder. He's going to win the ball sometimes. He's going to foul sometimes.
The second one definitely isn't a textbook booking. It's probably a foul. Some referees likely wouldn't even call it as a foul. There's nothing wrong with just awarding a free kick and leaving it at that. It's never a second yellow.
It's not a second yellow. The ref was basically gagging to even things up.
I think the most reasonable take is that Casemiro wasn't on a last warning. He wasnt told that 1 more foul and you're off. So somehow the ref thinks that the slight pull is a big enough foul for a yellow card. It isnt.
If he had been warned because he kept fouling after being booked then fair enough. But he wasn't, he just about fouled a player then made a clean challenge which also shows his intent was to do the work and win the ball, not stop the Chelsea player so he doesnt have to get back and defend. There is just no logic whatsoever to that being a yellow card. And it also played in to what happened after, not just that yellow and red card.
After that we had Andrey Santos diving to the floor anytime a player is near him and a bunch of soft yellows with clear dramatic play acting after slight contact. He still missed several others that should be yellow cards. Like Shaw taking out Enzo Fernandes was more of a yellow and he didnt see it. There was a foul from behind by Caicedo on Fernandes when he was breaking away, unlike the Casemiro yellow Caicedo did that to stop play and not have to get back. Thats a clear as day yellow and it didnt come. He lost control of the game after he bottled being in the headlines for sending off the Chelsea goalkeeper.
If he had been warned because he kept fouling after being booked then fair enough. But he wasn't, he just about fouled a player then made a clean challenge which also shows his intent was to do the work and win the ball, not stop the Chelsea player so he doesnt have to get back and defend. There is just no logic whatsoever to that being a yellow card. And it also played in to what happened after, not just that yellow and red card.
After that we had Andrey Santos diving to the floor anytime a player is near him and a bunch of soft yellows with clear dramatic play acting after slight contact. He still missed several others that should be yellow cards. Like Shaw taking out Enzo Fernandes was more of a yellow and he didnt see it. There was a foul from behind by Caicedo on Fernandes when he was breaking away, unlike the Casemiro yellow Caicedo did that to stop play and not have to get back. Thats a clear as day yellow and it didnt come. He lost control of the game after he bottled being in the headlines for sending off the Chelsea goalkeeper.
Never in a million years is that a 2nd yellow. That said, he’s got to be smarter in that situation.
Should have been booked for simulation when he grabbed his face after Maguire had only brushed his chest.
If that was a yellow card then there would be players sent off in every game in the Premier League that has a lot of set pieces.
1. It was a foul and pretty dumb for Casemiro to risk that so close to half time and being already on a yellow
2. It was harsh and it's pretty evident that for a while now he's been reffed differently, going all the way to the Ayew incident in his 1st season here.
2. It was harsh and it's pretty evident that for a while now he's been reffed differently, going all the way to the Ayew incident in his 1st season here.