[BorisManUtd]

He can be reckless and we saw that especially in 22/23 season and you could argue he was reckless again tonight but that's still not a yellow. Bit worried about how our midfield will look like without him at Brentford, as Mainoo only gets a few minutes these days it seems and Ugarte has not looked great so far this season.

 

[redDNA]

Not a yellow,but he should have been smarter.There is an unwrutten rule that most referees are stricter on teams with numerical advantage.

I think he is refereed differently..

 

[NinjaZombie]

It was a foul. He was pulling at the guy before he slid in (from the back) and won the ball.

I think it was a yellow as well, considering the situation. Casemiro was on the wrong side of that Chelsea player who had a lot of space and was running at our defense. If Casemiro had managed to pull him down before sliding in, it would be an obvious tactical foul.

So it was a yellow, either for the tackle from the back, or for the tactical foul. He was already on a yellow, so he was sent off. Correctly imo.

Instead of being angry at perceived injustices, the question would be why our most experienced player is so dumb.

 

[Shimo]

Only watched the highlights and on it's own that 2nd yellow is a hit of miss, early on against City, there was a similar type foul as we were attacking down left side and ref just gave the foul. Commentator even said player was lucky.

Thing is Case gave him the opportunity and he took it to even up the game. In regards to Case being experienced enough, even Rooney saying it about today, is that yes he is and in his prime career, being with Madrid, he got away with these little fouls all the time. With how he plays, there was probably lots of La Liga games opposition fans were fuming that he didn't get that second yellow. It's just programmed into how he plays.Doubt it's going to change but, hopefully somone can just be blunt and say, look you are not who you were then and so try and be mindful.

 

[Nas-JR]

I think he got accustomed to getting away with everything at Real Madrid. I remember watching him there thinking ‘how does this cnut keep getting away with this shit?’.

Then he comes here and suddenly the refs don’t give him anything close to the benefit of the doubt anymore. Must be a shock.

It's only Liverpools players who get away with it these days... Oh and cucurella apparently.

 

[GlazersHater]

Wasn't a foul, even if it was it wasn't a yellow specially a second yellow.

The problem is he has to be smarter, you give the referee a call to make in midfield where there was no need and Chelsea were already given a red card. Stupid decision to challenge for the ball that way.

 

[Devil77]

It is also on the manager for not subbing him. Amorim should know his players by now and all of us who watched the game saw that very outcome given the soaked pitch and frequent foulings.

 

[Skills]

It is also on the manager for not subbing him. Amorim should know his players by now and all of us who watched the game saw that very outcome given the soaked pitch and frequent foulings.

Subbing him before half time because he's on a yellow? Thats nuts.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

It is also on the manager for not subbing him. Amorim should know his players by now and all of us who watched the game saw that very outcome given the soaked pitch and frequent foulings.

No. Then you would sub off every midfielder and defender that gets a booking immediately.

This is a guy who has incredible experience. It’s on him to manage his game.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

It is on him 100%. First yellow for a foul 70m away from the goal and the second even if soft, he pulled back the Chelsea player. Should have never done that.
One might believe that he can be aggressive without getting booked all the time, considering his vast experience.

 

[Nas-JR]

It is also on the manager for not subbing him. Amorim should know his players by now and all of us who watched the game saw that very outcome given the soaked pitch and frequent foulings.

Honestly, in the moment I thought the same but in hindsight, it wasn't even before half time yet. Maybe you can argue you can sub him off right after his goal but even that's far fetched. The rational thing would have been to sub him off at HT but it's so stupid to not even last that long. The ref was a joke but casemiro gave him the opportunity to do it by taking a risk.

 

[Rossa]

It's interesting that Casemiro gets a yellow card for that, but Cucurella gets nothing for a similar move, but more blatant challenge on Mbuemo before his yellow. Caicedo, I believe it was, tackled Bruno from behind when Bruno was progressing into the 18 yard box - no chance of getting the ball, late in the second half - only a free kick.

Casemiro's wasn't a tactical foul as evidenced that he actually won the ball. There is a discussion to be had if it is a free kick. Yes, he does use his arms, but he doesn't really pull him. So a decent enough argument to be had is it a free kick, but it's not a tactical foul - it's a challenge, which isn't an automatic yellow - Caicedo on Bruno was much more obvious, for instance.

 

[Tarrou]

I’ve had enough of him in that midfield frankly

Love the guy as a player and a person but he’s half a yard off at least and a constant card risk

starting him against an elite midfield presser like Caicedo is begging for trouble

the club needs to work hard on getting either Mainoo or Ugarte back to a good level. Both are way better than they’ve shown under this manager. Whatever has gone and is going wrong, fix it

 

[Red & White]

That’s never a second yellow card. Foul, yes. You could see how giddy the ref got at the chance to even things up. Casemiro played well in the 45 minutes and got the all important second goal. I do agree it was a completely unnecessary challenge to make, though. Why give officials an opportunity to do us over, as we know they’ll always take it to fit the ‘United in crisis’ narrative.

 

[Carl]

Was absolutely never a yellow card. I understand the "dont give the ref a decision to make" argument but honestly its a disgrace. 2 fouls. 2 yellow. Meanwhile Cucurella...

 

[Carl]

That’s never a second yellow card. Foul, yes. You could see how giddy the ref got at the chance to even things up. Casemiro played well in the 45 minutes and got the all important second goal. I do agree it was a completely unnecessary challenge to make, though. Why give officials an opportunity to do us over, as we know they’ll always take it to fit the ‘United in crisis’ narrative.

Not the first person to say how desperate the ref was to even things up and its absolutely correct.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

He did ok apart from the second yellow. He was a goal thread and play the DM roles well albeit Chelsea down to 10 men.

This is the position for our next rebuild. There is a reason we "enquired" about Baleba, Wharton and Stiller situations in the last window. Hope we get at least 2/3 of these players next year.

 

[Devil77]

Subbing him before half time because he's on a yellow? Thats nuts.

For a majority of players, yes! Casemiro, no.

 

[Isotope]

It's afecking farce of yellow card. Not to mention it's a 2nd one that lead to a red card.

feck that ref.

 

[Isotope]

I’ve had enough of him in that midfield frankly

Love the guy as a player and a person but he’s half a yard off at least and a constant card risk

starting him against an elite midfield presser like Caicedo is begging for trouble

the club needs to work hard on getting either Mainoo or Ugarte back to a good level. Both are way better than they’ve shown under this manager. Whatever has gone and is going wrong, fix it

Since when Ugarte was showing constantly "way better" in United shirt?

 

[Tallis]

He is a threat in corners and free kicks with his heading and conversely helpful in defending such corners. He also plays some nice switches and once in a while, a spectacular aerial pass which creates a great goal scoring situation.

If you remove those attributes, he is playing at a Championship level.

 

[Tarrou]

Since when Ugarte was showing constantly "way better" in United shirt?

I don’t think this is worth quibbling over but I personably thought he was way better than this in his first six months, and pre-United career. Not amazing for us, or even great. Just way better than this. His confidence is shot. I don’t think it’s a coincidence he got much worse since Amorim took over.

If you disagree that’s fair, he hasn’t ever been good enough

 

[Igor Drefljak]

That challenge was a second yellow.
Everyone would be calling it if it was against us.
The fact he had a hold of him, and could only make the challenge as he pulled the player back shows this.

That being said, he actually pissed me off. Whether it was or wasn't a yellow, he just didn't need to make the challenge.
At 11 vs 11, we looked good, but once their keeper got sent off, we were dominating the game. We as fans needed a game with a lot of positivity, and we were getting it until that daft moment.

Second half at 10 vs 10, our system just couldn't cope, we got over run and could have easily dropped points.
Stupid decision and nearly cost us

 

[Drainy]

That challenge was a second yellow.
Everyone would be calling it if it was against us.
The fact he had a hold of him, and could only make the challenge as he pulled the player back shows this.

That being said, he actually pissed me off. Whether it was or wasn't a yellow, he just didn't need to make the challenge.
At 11 vs 11, we looked good, but once their keeper got sent off, we were dominating the game. We as fans needed a game with a lot of positivity, and we were getting it until that daft moment.

Second half at 10 vs 10, our system just couldn't cope, we got over run and could have easily dropped points.
Stupid decision and nearly cost us

Players are allowed to jostle for the ball.

The referee had shown that it wasn't a yellow all game before that.

He just evened the game unfairly .

 

[Igor Drefljak]

Players are allowed to jostle for the ball.

The referee had shown that it wasn't a yellow all game before that.

He just evened the game unfairly .

That wasn't jostling though,
He was behind Santos, and the only way to get into the position he did to make the tackle was to pull him back.

Refs not giving it in different incidents is just our poor refereeing in England. I don't know about the rest of Europe, but here, we're constantly seeing bad decisions, even this season, there have been so many.

 

[Escobar]

Stupid to get that card. No need to foul and when you stop a counter there is a huge risk for a card. Especially if there was a red already. He needs to be smarter there

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

He didn't deserve that.

A prime example of a players reputation making them an easy target for a weak referee wanting to even things up. Yet he has no right as the Sanchez one was such a clear and easy red to give.

I would argue though as daft as it seems, that given the conditions, the fact Chelsea were down to 10, and he has form, that Amorim should have taken him off before this could happen.

 

[Drainy]

That wasn't jostling though,
He was behind Santos, and the only way to get into the position he did to make the tackle was to pull him back.

Refs not giving it in different incidents is just our poor refereeing in England. I don't know about the rest of Europe, but here, we're constantly seeing bad decisions, even this season, there have been so many.

You cannot compete if you cannot be as physical as your opponent without punishment. Given the referee had consistently shown pulling back wasn't a yellow in the game its entirely on the referee's incompetency or corruption to change it up midgame to even the game up.

 

[Oranges038]

Players are allowed to jostle for the ball.

The referee had shown that it wasn't a yellow all game before that.

He just evened the game unfairly .

Cucurella footed lunge. Yellow

2 mins later Casemiro jostling for and winning the ball. Yellow.

Casemiro comitted 2 fouls, Cucurella committed more and worse but stayed on the pitch. Some things just don't add up, I just can't get behind blaming Casemiro or Amorim for not taking him off. It's just rubbish refereeing.

 

[Red_Aaron]

I don't think either tackle was worthy of a card tbh but having got the first he obviously needs to be smarter than that. With how fragile we are it could've really been costly

I noticed Santos didn't get booked for waving the imaginary card straight after the tackle btw - thought that was a automatic yellow

Chelsea are a bunch of snidey little Cnuts

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I know everyone loves a pile on with him but that is the softest second yellow I've ever seen. A lot of refs wouldn't even give a foul there. VVD or Gabriel would never walk for that.

In that game, there were about three bookings like George, Enzo, and Cucurella which were borderline red cards. Cucurella especially had to be looked at as he had both feet off the ground and went in with force.

You can't also be sending players off for minor fouls like Casemiro's were there's nothing particularly dangerous about the play.

This 100%. If either of them did it, it would be hailed as great defending.

Also agree with the last point. The idea of two yellow cards is that a player has done enough actions that he no longer deserves to be on the pitch. You can't honestly say that Case deserved to be sent off for those two fouls. It's poor game management from the ref.

 

[edgecutter]

It is also on the manager for not subbing him. Amorim should know his players by now and all of us who watched the game saw that very outcome given the soaked pitch and frequent foulings.

Imagine having to pull an experienced 32 year old off the pitch because he's that silly he may get himself sent off. Casemiro shouldn't need babysitting, just don’t be an idiot when you are on a yellow.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

The first yellow was dumb and the second was very harsh.

 

[Mullet_Man]

Let's face it, any other player in the PL that wasn't a yellow, it was only a yellow because it was Casemiro.

 

[acnumber9]

I don't understand what you mean. You wouldn't have blamed him if we dropped points after being in an extremely comfortable position before his red card? He's the most experienced player on the team, but makes some horrible decisions. Expecting him to not do anything stupid until HT should have been a reasonable ask.

Well we still had 45 minutes with the same number of players as Chelsea. If we couldn’t win in those circumstances then there would be more than one reason why we didn’t win. Was it Casemiro’s fault that Chalobah had a free header from 7 yards?

 

[CMRobbo7]

When you look at the red cards Casemiro has had here and add them together…It’s actually hilarious. It feels like every opportunity a ref has had, even just the smallest margin, to send him off…they have took it. To rub salt in the wounds they’ve also made up some reasons.

It’s fair to say it’s very rare for a player with two fouls to get two yellows ergo red. Even more rare when neither are borderline and even rarer in the first half of a game.

You’d and games 6 v 7 on a regular basis if players were sent off regularly for this.

 

[Bastian]

He didn't deserve that.

A prime example of a players reputation making them an easy target for a weak referee wanting to even things up. Yet he has no right as the Sanchez one was such a clear and easy red to give.

I would argue though as daft as it seems, that given the conditions, the fact Chelsea were down to 10, and he has form, that Amorim should have taken him off before this could happen.

Chelsea players were going apoplectic at every opportunity to get us yellows or trying to con pens. Given that he's supposed to be the most street wise player we've got (and I think he is) he just can't help himself when it comes to risky challenges. And that second yellow wasn't controversial in my view, it can go either way, but he needlessly gave the ref a decision to make.

 

[NZT-One]

Quite suprised so many posters think that this shouldn't have been a yellow. It was an obvious one if you ask me. Ref didn't do the greatest job but the injustice-comments increase the RAWK-o-meter here by quite a bit. Shaw should have seen a yellow early on as well as he deliberately held one of their players storming away from goal to receive a throw from their keeper. Maz could have conceded a penalty a little later. Stuff isn't just happening TO us.

 

[acnumber9]

Quite suprised so many posters think that this shouldn't have been a yellow. It was an obvious one if you ask me. Ref didn't do the greatest job but the injustice-comments increase the RAWK-o-meter here by quite a bit. Shaw should have seen a yellow early on as well as he deliberately held one of their players storming away from goal to receive a throw from their keeper. Maz could have conceded a penalty a little later. Stuff isn't just happening TO us.

The game has become ludicrously sanitised if normalise that kind of challenge being a yellow card.

 

[Kopral Jono]

Quite suprised so many posters think that this shouldn't have been a yellow. It was an obvious one if you ask me. Ref didn't do the greatest job but the injustice-comments increase the RAWK-o-meter here by quite a bit. Shaw should have seen a yellow early on as well as he deliberately held one of their players storming away from goal to receive a throw from their keeper. Maz could have conceded a penalty a little later. Stuff isn't just happening TO us.

Nonsense. Only Shaw's foul warranted a yellow, even that would have been harsh. Referee was atrocious last night -- so desperate to even things up.