I don't think so, when I saw it happening, without the slow-mo I knew he was going to go. He is a head taller than the guy and he was all around him bringing him off-balance. I can see why you are calling it sanitised but for me personally, I'd happily go even harder for shirt pulling. I think, the important part is to make sure that the same behaviour gets treated the same in every match - thats where there isn't a good job done, but it is correct to penalize such things. Casemiros opponent was obviously faster than him and would have been away without that.
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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- Red cards
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It was clearly a foul, the ref could have given him a final warning but as a player you simply cannot put that decision in their hands. It was stupid and unnecessary, just like the first yellow was stupid and unnecessary.
Theres no need to commit either foul.
Theres no need to commit either foul.
It won’t though. It didn’t even get the same punishment in the same match. If yellows get given for things like that the game will be beyond soft.
This is true. I was upset at him yesterday because he should know better, but it was very harsh. No way the ref gives two yellows for that if he hadn’t sent off Sanchez.
I actually thought he was a little unlucky.
It's one of those situations for him where you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
If he doesn't show intensity with his gameplay and challenges he gets chastised. He shows too much in pretty rubbish weather and gets a booking. Fine lines.
2nd yellow was never a yellow in my book, very unlucky.
Overall, I actually thought he did very well yesterday.
It's one of those situations for him where you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
If he doesn't show intensity with his gameplay and challenges he gets chastised. He shows too much in pretty rubbish weather and gets a booking. Fine lines.
2nd yellow was never a yellow in my book, very unlucky.
Overall, I actually thought he did very well yesterday.
If Chelsea didnt already have a red card the referee would likely have given that last warning. Now the referee had the chance to 'even' the game and not be the cause for ruining a game because of the early red card for Chelsea.
It is just not very smart from Casemiro. He must be one of the most experienced players in the league and he still does stupid stuff from time to time. Although he might still be used to the Real Madrid treatment, where he was able to get away with more fouls.
Unfair sent off. Played fair on both challenges. We should appeal because Ugarte is a worst player than veteran Casemiro, unfortunatelly
Mad how he never got a red for Madrid. Hasn't he had about 6 for us?
Has it reached the stage where Amorim needs to take Casemiro off as soon as he gets a first booking? Even if it's 5 minutes into the game.
I'd rather burn an early sub than run the risk of going down to ten men. He can't resist the sliding tackles, even on a yellow.
I'd rather burn an early sub than run the risk of going down to ten men. He can't resist the sliding tackles, even on a yellow.
Thought it was a harsh red but I think referees often want to give another red card to the other team to even it up, and Casemiro gave him an easy choice.
Surprised people are being lenient towards Cas here - saying he was unlucky and the ref was trying to even the game up.
The first yellow is a yellow all day - off his feet, sliding in and absolutely nowhere near the ball. Not dangerous or reckless, just a mis-timed sliding tackle. Deserved yellow.
The second yellow is a yellow all day - Arms all over the lad, pulling him and using that pull to twist and then make contact with the ball, it's a nailed on yellow in today's game.
Cas wasn't unlucky. He was rash, reckless and made both fouls when he didn't need too. The first one - he's got an outside chance of winning the ball IF he times it perfectly, based on the weather and the area of the pitch he was in - common sense should stop him making that challenge.
The second one - I can only put it down to a rush of blood to the head, but Cas is very experienced, he knows he's toeing the line and giving the ref a decision to make, it's just a very clumsy silly foul to give away and puts the team in a lot of bother after a very easy start to the game.
Completely avoidable and completely on Cas here. Takes the shine off a good performance from the team a little.
One benefit is it may force Amorin to actually start Mainoo - whose looked good coming off the bench lately, and his passing and calmness is needed in the CM area if we are to persist with captain long ball playing there
The first yellow is a yellow all day - off his feet, sliding in and absolutely nowhere near the ball. Not dangerous or reckless, just a mis-timed sliding tackle. Deserved yellow.
The second yellow is a yellow all day - Arms all over the lad, pulling him and using that pull to twist and then make contact with the ball, it's a nailed on yellow in today's game.
Cas wasn't unlucky. He was rash, reckless and made both fouls when he didn't need too. The first one - he's got an outside chance of winning the ball IF he times it perfectly, based on the weather and the area of the pitch he was in - common sense should stop him making that challenge.
The second one - I can only put it down to a rush of blood to the head, but Cas is very experienced, he knows he's toeing the line and giving the ref a decision to make, it's just a very clumsy silly foul to give away and puts the team in a lot of bother after a very easy start to the game.
Completely avoidable and completely on Cas here. Takes the shine off a good performance from the team a little.
One benefit is it may force Amorin to actually start Mainoo - whose looked good coming off the bench lately, and his passing and calmness is needed in the CM area if we are to persist with captain long ball playing there
I genuinely think he's been like this since he joined. If Casemiro is on a yellow, it's heart in mouth anytime there's a passage of play within 5m of him.
Can anyone think of an example off the top of their head where a player has tugged another player, using it to get leverage for a tackle and won the tackle and been booked for it?
Every example of pull = a yellow is a player fouling, usually pulling the player to the floor without doing the work to get back in position and win the ball. Intention matters. Casemiro slightly overdid using his arms. Its not the professional foul thats automatically a yellow
Every example of pull = a yellow is a player fouling, usually pulling the player to the floor without doing the work to get back in position and win the ball. Intention matters. Casemiro slightly overdid using his arms. Its not the professional foul thats automatically a yellow
The ref obviously judged that Santos was goal side of Casemiro, near the edge of the box, and that the pull back denied Chelsea a promising attacking opportunity.
Sure, just like any foul. Caicedo took Bruno out in the 2nd half when he was breaking towards goal, he took him out from behind not bothering to get back and didnt get a yellow. So even a breakaway, a foul that can hurt or injure someone and spoiling a good chance isnt an automatic yellow from the same ref
That's the issue, consistency.
Sure give Casemiro a 2nd yellow but where are the yellows for the same fouls throughout the PL game in game out? I also think there should be a higher bar for a 2nd yellow as ultimately it carries a different weight of punishment.
Well that and the same foul being a yellow card doesnt work on corners. On every single set piece you have defenders and attackers using their arms like Casemiro to try and manoeuvre to win the ball like he did. Going a bit too far and fouling someone when doing that isnt a yellow card there. So why would it be where Casemiro does it? Its nonsense. You can use your arms and if you go a little bit too far its a foul. Thats it. Its not a yellow card unless you haul someone to the floor because you cant be bothered to get back. He pulled slightly too much while he got back.
Hes used to playing for RM for such a long time and RM/Barca get preferential treatment in La Liga. I think he just can't help himself in the PL and he gets pulled up for it.
I know he is far from his best and his legs are gone but i can't help it; i love this guy.
With all his flaws he is still our best dmc. And he has nose for the goal too. 19 goals in 4 years is not that bad for dmc.
Also, his mentality is great. He maybe lost some of his abilities but he still plays every game on maximum intensity and emotions.
With all his flaws he is still our best dmc. And he has nose for the goal too. 19 goals in 4 years is not that bad for dmc.
Also, his mentality is great. He maybe lost some of his abilities but he still plays every game on maximum intensity and emotions.
Yeah spot on, it's naff. The tackle itself I thought was good, the shirt pulling fair enough a foul but not a yellow. But then the argument for softening the game was lost long ago.
On Casemiro himself - I was desperately hoping for a Saudi rescue in the summer but now, I'm coming round to his value to our squad.
His current wages are mental - but if he'd be willing to extend a year on a third of that I'd say it'd be worth looking at. Class character, plays his heart out and has a good eye for a pass and goal to boot.
He'd be useful squad cover.
How is this undeserved sent off. Very stupid from him for the second one. Shame because he might have benefited from a run of games and got himself in a bit of form. Now we will have to watch Man Utd.
Clear yellow. Not because of the tackle or pulling but stopping the counter attack. Should have never put himself in that situation as tue first one was also stupid
Santos wasn’t really going anywhere though. He jumped across Casemiro and started trying to shield the ball whilst facing away from goal. It wasn’t like it was a full speed counter and he’s brought him down.
He was idiotic, and without wanting to make every thread about Bruno...we seem to have a culture where the senior players are the most indulged and love to throw their hands up in frustration at younger players.
Amorim's statement of...well, he's such an experienced player with so many trophies that he doesn't even need discipline is fine on one level, but suggests that there's a hierachy in the dressing room he's afraid to touch.
Amorim's statement of...well, he's such an experienced player with so many trophies that he doesn't even need discipline is fine on one level, but suggests that there's a hierachy in the dressing room he's afraid to touch.
I'm in the same boat
Me too. And when he's on tune, his passing can be Scholesesque
The ref gave so many yellows it was clear it will happen. No excuse
So, he is now free of football dutys for four weeks. Earning £350k a week thats £1.4million pound doing some easier exercice at Carrington for a month. Life as a pro footballer must be hard. He should give those money to charity. Idiot.
The two bookings met the standard by the book, but the second yellow should have been just a foul.
This is what is annoying, much worse and more cynical fouls are not given yellows, especially if the player has already been booked. The 2nd yellow was incredibly harsh and I don't imagine we will see many softer reds this season.
No complaints, but you have seen players get away with far worse.
Why 4 weeks, 2 yellow cards is normally a one game ban or am I missing something?
Have to say I enjoyed 10 vs 10 because it gave everyone more space to play. Though I preferred that Casemiro stay on the field and it remained 11 vs 10.
He has a game there Saturday week pal if you actually knew the rules and just because he’s out for the next game doesn’t mean he doesn’t train . State of the post
You’re not missing anything , just a clueless post so he can have a rant
How long do you think his suspension is?
Yeah, I'm sure he was inconsistent in how he administered yellow cards on the night. And he was probably trying to even the score by giving Cas a 2nd yellow, which for the record I also think was soft.
My point is though, why does Casemiro even give the ref that decision to make? Why pull Castro's shirt when you know you're on a yellow?
At that stage in the game, if Castro puts it into the top corner to make it 2-1, it's still preferable to getting a player sent off with over half the game still to go.
Go easy on the dude. Life as a pro poster is very hard. He has been free of caf duty for four weeks, busy doing exercises at Paddington for a month earning £3.50 a week thats £14 a month. He should get some money from charity. Idealist.
He was a little unlucky but no one would have criticised him if he didn't do it
I need a slap. My bad. Not a direct red.
But he is still an idiot, most red Cards in PL since joining
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