Casemiro (out)

King7Eric said:
How is leaving Man Utd for say a mid table Italian team or the Saudi league ambitious? Maybe someone who's always played for one of the biggest clubs in the country would much rather stay and try to contribute there rather than devolve into obscurity.

People want loyalty from players when they are good, but the moment they drop a level they want those players to vanish. It's not his fault we signed him for that money. He's doing nothing wrong and by all accounts a good influence to have around the place, one of the only genuine winners in the squad. Don't understand the criticism.
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I would think he´s too young to accept a bench role, and if he just accepts that then I would not call him a genuine winner anymore.
 
King7Eric said:
How is leaving Man Utd for say a mid table Italian team or the Saudi league ambitious? Maybe someone who's always played for one of the biggest clubs in the country would much rather stay and try to contribute there rather than devolve into obscurity.

People want loyalty from players when they are good, but the moment they drop a level they want those players to vanish. It's not his fault we signed him for that money. He's doing nothing wrong and by all accounts a good influence to have around the place, one of the only genuine winners in the squad. Don't understand the criticism.
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Fully agree with this.
 
red_de_pologne said:
He doesn't though, he's probably a 4th - 5th choice sub. His wages + ability literally hold us back. Not his fault and he's a professional but source of frustration nevertheless.
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He does, he's a proven winner and can definitely do a job when called upon.
May not have the tenacity or legs that he used to, but he still has the nous and reading of the game.

Bar the odd very poor game he has generally been pretty decent for us when called upon.
 
GreatDane said:
I would think he´s too young to accept a bench role, and if he just accepts that then I would not call him a genuine winner anymore.
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You're right he should start throwing stuff out of the pram and giving inflammatory interviews saying how unhappy he is to be on the bench. That will show his winning quality.

Failing that, he should bin all his CL medals and other accolades because GreatDane on Redcafe thinks he is not a genuine winner anymore.
 
I feel bad for this guy. Was never understood here. Very humble, very hardworking, and always willing to do his job for others guys to shine on the team.

And thats what made him have so many trophies. But should never have been a central acquisition, he's a role player. And playing alone in midfield, he would always depend on physicality.

The mistake was having a coach who does not understands football, and spent so much on a player who was not a priority.

Lots of guys from Brasil prioritize family and financial security (nothing wrong with that). But that means no one spent 5 minutes thinking about the pros and cons of his transfer. Which is awful from the club.
 
Champ said:
Or he's willing to accept that he's not good enough to start but can still offer something to the team when required maybe??

Why is everyone on here so damn cynical and willing to pour scorn on every player all the time?
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Even if this is just his official position it still further’s the managers influence by showing that even a multiple CL winner does as he’s told if the manager says he’s a squad player now. No issues with this.
 
It was an awful purchase in hindsight and it was a very dangerous and questionable one at the time. The contract length, salary and cost of him was extremely high. He was going from a team that coasts through most games at a canter, gets a ridiculous number of decisions in their favour and plays in a slower and less competitive league, to the PL at a struggling club in a fast paced league and fast approaching 30.

The potential upsides were there but the potential downsides were glaring and huge. Then again, thats been our MO. Hope for the best. 10:1 shot this works out and if it doesn't it will be a mess? I like those odds. Same reason we gave the likes of Rashford a ridiculous contract. Signed Sancho on a ridiculous contract. You have to make safe choices 90% of the time and then you can take risks on that last 10%.
 
bb8 said:
Nothing hindsight about it. It was very clearly a poor move beforehand. Team shouldn't be targeting 30 year olds in the first place, let alone dropping £150M in wages and fees for the privilege. It was a disastrous process that led to a predictably horrible result.

The fact many fans praised it only shows how short-sighted most are, and why no one should ever let fans be in charge. You can bet we'd be right back in the hunt for more old, expensive, overpriced buys.
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We lost first 2 games of the season and panicked. 70m euros for a 30 year old player would rarely look like a good piece of business but it is what it is. Casemiro was perhaps crucial in getting to 3rd place finish and winning the Carabao Cup so there's that. But what was more annoying is his huge wages and especially a 4 year contract. If it was 3 year contract and wage of 250k (which I do believe he'd still accept) he'd be leaving this summer and this way we're not sure that's going to happen given his wage demands.

Anyway, although his decline started as early as spring 2023, we needed a replacement. Instead, we sold Fred and bought Mount who is not even a replacement for Fred, let alone Casemiro.

Would be great if we can get rid of either Casemiro's or Rashford's wages this window by loaning them somewhere. Few days left..
 
King7Eric said:
You're right he should start throwing stuff out of the pram and giving inflammatory interviews saying how unhappy he is to be on the bench. That will show his winning quality.

Failing that, he should bin all his CL medals and other accolades because GreatDane on Redcafe thinks he is not a genuine winner anymore.
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Sure buddy, that's what I wrote.
 
Casemiro was not an ideal transfer, but I think it's a reasonable transfer for a club with more stability. The larger issue is how chaotic things have been at United the last four seasons.
 
I am sure he can go and play at a decent level in Serie A. Roma needs to make it happen
 
A move on loan for the rest of the season might be a good move for him, it'll give him a chance to play regular Football rather than sitting on the bench at Old Trafford.
 
We would have to supplement so much of his salary that it’s probably more beneficial for him to stay and at least help out as a role model for the younger players - he can be a useful asset if deployed correctly - we clearly know what his weaknesses are these days but throwing him up top for the final 10mins of a game we are chasing and getting some crosses in would certainly offer more than our existing strike force as he is one of the best with his head in the squad.
 
GoldanoGraham said:
We would have to supplement so much of his salary that it’s probably more beneficial for him to stay and at least help out as a role model for the younger players - he can be a useful asset if deployed correctly - we clearly know what his weaknesses are these days but throwing him up top for the final 10mins of a game we are chasing and getting some crosses in would certainly offer more than our existing strike force as he is one of the best with his head in the squad.
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Sounds almost like McTominay mk ll
 
If I had a career like him and manager put me on 93rd min for few seconds, I would look at any other options even for less money.

At this phase of his career money should not be a problem as he already got loads, Wish he picked an option like Roma or someone else even for less money. what happened to his pride?
 
Bobby_2024 said:
If I had a career like him and manager put me on 93rd min for few seconds, I would look at any other options even for less money.

At this phase of his career money should not be a problem as he already got loads, Wish he picked an option like Roma or someone else even for less money. what happened to his pride?
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Literally got a bonus payment for coming on 93rd min. I bet he was delighted
 
You'd think someone would've leaked this before negotiations got to an "advanced stage". Nothing involving us happens quickly unless there's a release clause.
 
Not sure about the source.

By all accounts it seems that Romano breaks every Saudi deal first. Surely he would have mentioned this by now.
 
TheReligion said:
So you can post non approved in the general United twitter thread or not?
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The Tier one rule is for specific player threads like this one. The tweet threads don't have to be tier one, but we do have an approved list of aggregators that can be posted as well, so check the link above before posting.
 
Raoul said:
The Tier one rule is for specific player threads like this one. The tweet threads don't have to be tier one, but we do have an approved list of aggregators that can be posted as well, so check the link above before posting.
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I’ll be honest it’s a touch confusing. I had a few tweets removed so reposted them in the twitter thread and they were removed again.
 
TheReligion said:
I’ll be honest it’s a touch confusing. I had a few tweets removed so reposted them in the twitter thread and they were removed again.
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The easiest way to remember:

Actual player specific threads (example: Casemiro out) = only approved tier 1 sources

Twitter specific threads (example: Man Utd tweets) = Any source you want, however aggregator accounts are limited to an approved list which are posted in the transfer guidelines thread.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/transfer-tweets-guidelines-please-read.488417/
 
I really like the guy, seems like a proper club pro, but he’s clearly not a good fit for the PL. seems a bit behind the game all the time. Getting him off the wage bill and a few £££ back would be amazing business
 
Would be a good sale simply to put a sizeable dent in the wage bill. I'll always have an affinity towards Case who had an excellent first season and has shown some mettle after a poor second season and looking woefully past it for large parts of last season - he managed to offer something towards the end of the season but ultimately his legs are finished now.
 
we really need to move him on if we can to the saudi league if not to just get his wages off the bill but hopefully get a few quid as well
 
Interesting, hopefully we can pull something off. A bit of a unexpected boost moving him on. I wouldn't be dead against him staying as he did show improvements but he isn't getting any younger. It would be good to free up some extra funds for the rebuild.
 
Unpopular opinion. His huge contract expires next year and i would rather he sees it out. He cant run but he is still a better midfielder than the other options bar bruno. Even if we get another cm i would rather have Bruno, new cm and Casemiro as our main 3. Mainoo isnt ready and Ugarte lost his spot to Casemiro for a reason.
 
Would be more ideal to sell him and get in a younger midfielder with similar capabilities. I winced watching him in Premier League matches last season. He’s lost a significant amount of mobility since his first season here.
 
Still love him but obviously if we can upgrade / replace him with a younger player we should
 
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