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Monmouthshire Red said:
We should have bought Wharton 18 months ago, or so, from Blackburn. He cost Palace less than £20m.
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To be fair a 19 year old from a mid table club in The Championship isn’t the kind of signing we’d be likely to make with how ETH wanted things transfer wise BUT it is exactly the long term transfer vision we should be adopting now and going forward.

We were always a club that would sign the best young talent with lots of potential to become world class with hard work on their part and good coaching on the club side rather than buying ready made stars or big names, we seem to be doing a lot of great work in signing players under 21 at the moment which is where Wilcox excels and at just 21 we could see Wharton be the lynchpin of our midfield for a decade.
 
tenpoless said:
He's never truly recovered from the silly red cards he got in England. Not really the same since those incidents and considering how he was one of those "dirty but clean" players, his dark magic has weakened as a result and making him less effective in his role. And on top of that he's ancient, so... just take whatever it is Saudi willing to pay, get him off the book and find a young but promising replacement. Or if we struggle to find one, I'd rather have one from the academy than to keep him.
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The problem for me is that he’s still a starting midfielder right now. I remember seeing some stats recently that confirmed what I thought from watching, and that was that his defensive contributions and passing was much better than that of Ugarte. I believe it was the City game where he broke or equalled the PL record for the number of ball recoveries in a single game.

I think Amorim is right in that he figured out how to use him a bit more effectively, and from that point he was playing most games. He was hung out to dry by ETH, playing in a system where he had to cover vast areas of the pitch, which he obviously can’t do. But when we’re more compact he does well defending his areas.

For this reason I’m not against him staying, as I can still see him contributing and I reckon he’s one of the leaders in the squad. He’s won everything at Real and I’m sure he commands the respect of the dressing room. For me we need a few of these players in the team to help us rebuild and set the correct environment for those joining.
 
davidmichael said:
To be fair a 19 year old from a mid table club in The Championship isn’t the kind of signing we’d be likely to make with how ETH wanted things transfer wise BUT it is exactly the long term transfer vision we should be adopting now and going forward.

We were always a club that would sign the best young talent with lots of potential to become world class with hard work on their part and good coaching on the club side rather than buying ready made stars or big names, we seem to be doing a lot of great work in signing players under 21 at the moment which is where Wilcox excels and at just 21 we could see Wharton be the lynchpin of our midfield for a decade.
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Yeah, we haven’t made enough of these types of signings, in the end when we did and it didn’t work out in the case of Dan James we actually made a profit on him anyway.
 
Baneofthegame said:
Yeah, we haven’t made enough of these types of signings, in the end when we did and it didn’t work out in the case of Dan James we actually made a profit on him anyway.
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Ironic thing is even though Dan James wasn’t really good enough we made a profit on him and is one of our bigger sales of the last 15 years, in buying younger players with potential to become top class there’s always the sell on option if it doesn’t work out.

There’s a group out there of Wharton, Dibling, Rigg and Trafford that fit in perfectly with what we need whilst having the potential to become top quality but would also have big sell on ability for us if for whatever reason their transfers didn’t work out.
 
davidmichael said:
Ironic thing is even though Dan James wasn’t really good enough we made a profit on him and is one of our bigger sales of the last 15 years, in buying younger players with potential to become top class there’s always the sell on option if it doesn’t work out.

There’s a group out there of Wharton, Dibling, Rigg and Trafford that fit in perfectly with what we need whilst having the potential to become top quality but would also have big sell on ability for us if for whatever reason their transfers didn’t work out.
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Absolutely, we need more buys like this, especially as a selling club we have been atrocious, the purchases and contracts we have given out have been crazy, hopefully this changes with the new regime.
 
davidmichael said:
Ironic thing is even though Dan James wasn’t really good enough we made a profit on him and is one of our bigger sales of the last 15 years, in buying younger players with potential to become top class there’s always the sell on option if it doesn’t work out.

There’s a group out there of Wharton, Dibling, Rigg and Trafford that fit in perfectly with what we need whilst having the potential to become top quality but would also have big sell on ability for us if for whatever reason their transfers didn’t work out.
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Not so sure we need Dibling once we get Mbeumo over the line, however I would agree with the others. I would also add Hackney to that list as well, who is better fit for this system out of him and Rigg?
 
croadyman said:
Not so sure we need Dibling once we get Mbeumo over the line, however I would agree with the others. I would also add Hackney to that list as well, who is better fit for this system out of him and Rigg?
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Really don't get the hype around Hackney, I think he looks super average.

Rigg on the other hand, looks class
 
cpresc said:
Really don't get the hype around Hackney, I think he looks super average.

Rigg on the other hand, looks class
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Maybe we see how he fares in Premier League this season and then decide to make a move for him next summer. Perhaps an all British pairing with Wharton or we will break the bank for Baleba but Brighton won't make it easy.
 
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Baneofthegame said:
Absolutely, we need more buys like this, especially as a selling club we have been atrocious, the purchases and contracts we have given out have been crazy, hopefully this changes with the new regime.
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It’s certainly an area that needs massively improving, if we’d not given out ridiculous wages you’d think our selling would be better and it’s that combination of ridiculous wages added to not being able to get decent fees for players that’s played a massive part in our financial issues.
croadyman said:
Not so sure we need Dibling once we get Mbeumo over the line, however I would agree with the others. I would also add Hackney to that list as well, who is better fit for this system out of him and Rigg?
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I was thinking more of Dibling as a right wing back in Amorim’s system where he often plays a left footed player there, personally I’m not a fan of it but wouldn’t be against Dibling as a left wing back as he’s got a great engine and is naturally attack minded.
 
Jay-Z Roc-A-Fellaini said:
I'd say so.

United currently are going after players with PL experience.

If we go for Wharton then we get a young project player with PL experience.

A player like Ekitike for example is a project player with no PL experience.

I've always felt like the best british players should play for the best british clubs.

Watching PSG with some amazing French players, Barcelona with fantastic Spanish players, Madrid going after Huijsen & Alvaro Fernandes, Inter Milan with Bastoni, Barella, Di Marco etc etc I can't even be bothered to talk about German players at Bayern Munich.

I believe we should have some great English players in our first 11 & arguably only Heaven & Mainoo really has the potential to be a great British player in our squad (have a long way to go) whilst players like Maguire & Mount fluctuate in importance to us.

People sometimes forget how influential our british core was - Carrick, Scholes, Rooney, Hargreaves(very underrated imo), Brown, Ferdinand, Giggs etc were exceptional in our last European Reign. It wasn't just because of Ronaldo we got in to two finals, we had a really good team full of really good British players.
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What’s even more important than British players. There was always an Irishman in the team when United were successful. If we want the big trophies. We need an Irishman. :cool:
 
croadyman said:
Maybe we see how he fares in Premier League this season and then decide to make a move for him next summer. Perhaps an all British pairing with Wharton or we will break the bank for Baleba but Brighton won't make it easy.
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Baleba and Mainoo

With

Wharton and Rigg

In rotation

That will do nicely
 
pascell said:
Mainoo doesn't have the athleticism to play in a midfield two.

Wharton and Rigg would set us back £130-140m, neither Palace or Sunderland will give them up cheaply.
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1. Amorim will get Mainoo fit
2. Wouldn’t be 130m more like 70+30
 
All of these players like Case, Onana, Hojilund wanting to stay. They can all feck off.
 
hellhunter said:
He did just fine for England and some big United matches
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The problem is, once a narrative takes hold, it tends to stick—especially when it's repeated often enough. We saw the same thing happen with Wan-Bissaka. People kept saying he couldn’t attack or contribute in the final third, and that perception just became accepted, regardless of how accurate it actually was.

As you mentioned, Mainoo has been perfectly fine in a pivot for England, and he looked just as composed when paired with Ugarte during Amorim’s early tenure. In fact, I distinctly remember a stat where he led the league in defensive actions.
 
I can see why Case will want to stay here. Good money, plays regularly, fans do tend to like him and he does appear to really like the club and Manchester. I'd imagine he has zero reasons to go to Saudi this season.
 
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