Casemiro (out)



So sick of MU players having too much pride or whatever it is stopping them from going to Saudi. Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Rashford and Onana all supposedly had offers and none of them left. Just go damnit and bring us some money.
 
DarkXaero said:
Not sure why some people are so eager for him to leave, we will be screwed even more if he leaves and we don't sign any long term midfielder (who would be a success here unlike Ugarte). Casemiro is not really stopping us from signing more midfielders.
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It's also not necessarily his fault our midfield is shit. He is creaking and limited but he could still be decent in a 3 where he isn't trequired to cover huge spaces
 
JBG said:


So sick of MU players having too much pride or whatever it is stopping them from going to Saudi. Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Rashford and Onana all supposedly had offers and none of them left. Just go damnit and bring us some money.
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Speaks volume, that he isn’t good enough to get enough gametime at the right level somewhere else to be considered for the WC, but he can here.

Literally just freeriding with no competent competition around.
 
Surely if Ancelotti is going to pick him, his mind must already be made up.

He's hardly playing at a high level with us right now, it's just about staying fit, rather than convincing him. Making a few quid in Saudi surely won't make a difference.
 
JBG said:


So sick of MU players having too much pride or whatever it is stopping them from going to Saudi. Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Rashford and Onana all supposedly had offers and none of them left. Just go damnit and bring us some money.
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Whats wrong with you? He wants to play for us. He's being picked.
 
MiracleInMadrid said:
Speaks volume, that he isn’t good enough to get enough gametime at the right level somewhere else to be considered for the WC, but he can here.

Literally just freeriding with no competent competition around.
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I wouldn't say he's free riding at all. His legs have gone, but that is not his fault. He's put in good performances, despite the system exposing his age. In the 2 games so far, he's been better on the ball than Bruno for example and it goes downhill fast when he's subbed.
 
Ekeke said:
Whats wrong with you? He wants to play for us. He's being picked.
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Wasn't necessarily about him... just an opportunity for me to be annoyed at the others not wanting to leave when the opportunity comes up. Sick of these unwanted players not fecking off(particularly Garnacho, Sancho, Onana and Antony).
 
JBG said:


So sick of MU players having too much pride or whatever it is stopping them from going to Saudi. Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Rashford and Onana all supposedly had offers and none of them left. Just go damnit and bring us some money.
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Tell me about it. Yet every Liverpool and Chelsea player is creaming themselves at the thought of Saudi money..
 
JBG said:


So sick of MU players having too much pride or whatever it is stopping them from going to Saudi. Malacia, Antony, Sancho, Rashford and Onana all supposedly had offers and none of them left. Just go damnit and bring us some money.
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Zero pride, they have too much salary and don't need to go.

This tub of Ben n Jerry's is going to no world cup. It's a shame how his brilliant career fizzled out. More shame it was here on hundreds of thousands a week.
 
Unless there's a replacement I don't see the need to get rid, I'd have Ugarte out first. If we qualify for a European competition we'll need bodies.
 
Bastian said:
He's earning 3 times what he's worth, at best. Of course he will not be allowed to trigger another year on this ludicrous deal.
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100% - he is the biggest priority to shift in my opinion. Those wages off the books will be extremely useful.
 
Give him an extension on a much lower wage.

He may say no but I think having him in the squad is a net benefit.

Either way, we need to get two new CMs in over the summer window. But if he goes, it might be 3 needed which seems unrealistic to me.
 
I keep saying it, but it's madness to get rid. If we cannot get his wages down, then yes, get rid, but if he's willing to take a cut to reflect his 60mins status which is very useful and almost necessary to us, then we should keep hold. And also bed in the new midfielders, transitionally, around him with that 60mins status.

He's still world class at what he does albeit he cannot do it for a full 90mins. And what's the alternative? Ugarte? Mainoo? That's useless, if we're honest.
Sign two midfielders, yes, but get rid of Ugarte, and keep Casemiro on reduced wages.
 
Big fan of the guy. Sometimes he looks like he's 50 years old, but he always seems to pull some really energetic performances out of the bag too.

He's probably our only player with any interest in or ability to take the ball from deep and make ambitious (sometimes far too ambitious) line-splitting passes.

However, it is obviously time to move on. The wages are absurd. As we've adopted an approach of trying to whittle down our wage bill, his salary must look increasingly outrageous on the page.

I don't think it doesn't mean that Ugarte should go too. We simply need a new midfield. There's no way around it.
 
I think most people would be happy to keep him on a wage that’s reflective of his role. Personally though I can’t see that he would accept a 60/70% pay cut - when he likely can get far more elsewhere in a league that’s not as intense.
 
Bastian said:
He's earning 3 times what he's worth, at best. Of course he will not be allowed to trigger another year on this ludicrous deal.
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I can’t see that we would have agreed an option that Casemiro can trigger. All the options we’ve had have enabled the club to trigger the extension irrespective of the player.

But, stranger things have happened.

Would be insane mismanagement to allow it to happen.
 
He's 34 in a month. He'll have played all summer next season, with the World Cup. He can handle 60 minutes in the current schedule. And we need to completely restructure midfield. Yes, he's a good player, amazing career, good pro, probably great to have around the dressing room. Would he accept squad status and 100K a week (currently on 350K, probably a bit lower without the CL now)? Will he not chase an important role for 2-3 years at a club with loads of money?
 
Bastian said:
He's 34 in a month. He'll have played all summer next season, with the World Cup. He can handle 60 minutes in the current schedule. And we need to completely restructure midfield. Yes, he's a good player, amazing career, good pro, probably great to have around the dressing room. Would he accept squad status and 100K a week (currently on 350K, probably a bit lower without the CL now)? Will he not chase an important role for 2-3 years at a club with loads of money?
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It's a good question for him, surely Saudi fancy offering him 3 years at his current wages.
 
A scenario where club meddling would be welcome - tell Carrick we don't care when but Casemiro has to be on the bench for at least 1 match.
 
With the 25% reduction for no UCL, his wages look more like 260k a week. Still too much for his current ability but not as bad as the media will have you believe.

Our wage bill is actually pretty low (5/6th highest) so achieving the same position in the league is par and easily achievable. Even Amorim looked like he would do it!
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I think most people would be happy to keep him on a wage that’s reflective of his role. Personally though I can’t see that he would accept a 60/70% pay cut - when he likely can get far more elsewhere in a league that’s not as intense.
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I think he only stays if the club activates the extension on his current deal. Staying on less money and with what should be more competition for places is not a great deal for him.

He also has less chance of getting a well paid 2-3 year deal somewhere else in 2027 so if the club indicates they want him to stay I expect he would say activate the extension or he’ll leave.
 
Even a club as messed up as ours won't allow for that clause to be triggered.

He's obviously going to go and get one final payday somewhere, as he should. I don't feel compelled for United to be offering him another deal even on massively reduced wages, it's time to re-boot this midfield properly.
 
I’d keep him for the year but still upgrade the midfield. If we don’t qualify for Europe then I’d let him go.
 
I actually read this in a positive light. He could have left, for far more cash, a far easier league. But he wants to stay and work with the team, Carrick, the club. Of course, he is doing pretty well in terms of wages anyway, right? But he has been playing quite well, he is still one of our best footballers. I would not drop him, no way. He also carries a goal threat.

Let's see how Carrick supports Casimero and Bruno in the middle of the park. Manchester United must be able to find a good quality midfielder who is able to run and cover the ground; tackle; pass and keep it simple; and slow the opposition down, to bolster our team.

Why has this taken three years... ????

Ugarte is not the answer btw. Neither is Mainoo.
 
In order for us to move forward we need to be ruthless.

He needs to leave, as good as he has been this season he is not the long term answer, we have all screamed for a midfield rebuild and holding someone on those wages is limiting us from fully upgrading that position.

I like him, without him our midfield is sh1t, but now is the right time to let him leave.

Give the new manager as many funds to upgrade the team.
 
MCDC said:
In order for us to move forward we need to be ruthless.

He needs to leave, as good as he has been this season he is not the long term answer, we have all screamed for a midfield rebuild and holding someone on those wages is limiting us from fully upgrading that position.

I like him, without him our midfield is sh1t, but now is the right time to let him leave.

Give the new manager as many funds to upgrade the team.
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The general point I agree with, to a degree because Casimero can still do a job for us. But long-term for sure, he needs to be moved on. However, we still have to do all we can to get top five/Champions League spot, and I would not wish to sell him without having a v v good replacement who can hit the ground running.
 
Absolutely cannot allow him to stay past the summer. He has a few key traits that some of the team really lacks but none of what he offers is irreplacable. He's slow, old, on a large wedge, and plays with very little composure.

The entire central midfield needs a proper reboot in the summer. We probably need to sign at the very least two first team quality central midfielders.
 
We have to absolutely make sure he's not triggering that extension. And also hope these higher ups don't think about keeping him on lesser terms. Good first season, but he should have been moved on like 18 months ago. As I said in another thread few days ago and like the poster above me mentioned, that whole midfield needs a huge refresh. Bruno isn't a CM for me and Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo are not good enough to be starters. I'd only keep Mainoo as a backup.

After already briefing no signings this window, if a midfielder isn't our first signing come summer, I'll be firmly in the Wilcox out camp.
 
neverdie said:
I keep saying it, but it's madness to get rid. If we cannot get his wages down, then yes, get rid, but if he's willing to take a cut to reflect his 60mins status which is very useful and almost necessary to us, then we should keep hold. And also bed in the new midfielders, transitionally, around him with that 60mins status.

He's still world class at what he does albeit he cannot do it for a full 90mins. And what's the alternative? Ugarte? Mainoo? That's useless, if we're honest.
Sign two midfielders, yes, but get rid of Ugarte, and keep Casemiro on reduced wages.
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oh look a reasonable and logical opinion...wish there was more of this.
 
neverdie said:
I keep saying it, but it's madness to get rid. If we cannot get his wages down, then yes, get rid, but if he's willing to take a cut to reflect his 60mins status which is very useful and almost necessary to us, then we should keep hold. And also bed in the new midfielders, transitionally, around him with that 60mins status.

He's still world class at what he does albeit he cannot do it for a full 90mins. And what's the alternative? Ugarte? Mainoo? That's useless, if we're honest.
Sign two midfielders, yes, but get rid of Ugarte, and keep Casemiro on reduced wages.
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what does he do that's world class, genuinely interested. He can't tackle, gets pushed off the ball far too easily these days, he can't track runners, he commits fouls in dangerous areas. His passing isn't consistent, one minute can play a nice pass than fluff a simple one. His whipped in, no look pass when it comes off, looks great, but 9/10 it doesn't. He's more effective these days in in the attacking third, useful for attacking and defending corners. For what he's paid and what he produces I think he's been a poor signing overall. He had a spell in his first season where he looked very good, since then it's been poor. This season he's been better, the cynic in me thinks it's no coincidence that it's world cup year. Remember it's only 2 seasons ago he came back overweight by a fair chunk for start of the season. That's not a great look from one of your most experienced, and highest paid player. You mention if he accepted reduced wages, he's on 350k per week. Even if he came down to 200/250k per week, that still a very high wage for a player that will be on the bench. Remember he struggles to do more than 60 mins this season, imagine next season, a year older, and no world cup on the horizon. No guarantee he could even do 60 mins then. I know on this site he has a lot of fans, I'm not criticizing his career because you can't, he was an exceptional player, and at times we still see bits of it. I am referring to the player we've got now.
 
Jeffthered said:
The general point I agree with, to a degree because Casimero can still do a job for us. But long-term for sure, he needs to be moved on. However, we still have to do all we can to get top five/Champions League spot, and I would not wish to sell him without having a v v good replacement who can hit the ground running.
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I would just let his contract run out at the end of the season.

I agree if he left now the wheels would well and truly fall off.
 
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