Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, but I will say that having taught Saudis here in Toronto (whom I absolutely adored for the most part), I had to be very careful with my choice of words/subject matter (and that was in my own country.)
Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post
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It wasn't the minimum if the FA upheld the disrepute (by accident, not intentional but disrepute nonetheless) while dropping the "aggravated breach". That's the one that carries 6 games, or 3 with mitigating circumstances.
They were never going to do it though. I agree the club dealt with it well and Cavani clearly can't be arsed to have it drag on, just wants to get on with playing football.
As it stands, we are joint top if we win our game in hand, last thing club or player want is dragging this on.
Sorry if I missed the point. It's most certainly an honest mistake and not an ethical breach.
It's not weird that a word that sounds like "negro" will be unwelcome in the English speaking world. I am not sure why you don't get it. Agreed that the FA could have issued him a stern warning and a fine without a ban. However, that would have been used as a precedence in the future for players to argue against a ban for a similar offense that could have been overturned on appeal or challenged in court. The FA simply didn't want to set up the precedence to allow themselves the leeway to punish others guilty of using racist words (or racist sounding words) on social media.
Again, it isn't fair on Cavani as he gets the raw end of the deal and his reputation has taken a minor hit. The analogy with Milwall again isn't relevant because Cavani is being charged based on the code of ethics for "players" not fans. You may argue that there are contradictions on how similar offenses are dealt with based on whether you are a player or a fan and you would be right.
You have to prove discrimination first. There’s no way you can
Bunch of sad, stupid clowns, the western world has truly gone to shit. A work ban + public shaming and re-education + a hefty fine for THAT?! No wonder China's finding it so easy to take over, their framework is partially already implemented.Twitter post
Face to face education?What the hell, this is so stupid.
One rule for Cavani and other rules for Hennessey and Bernardo Silva!
FA are clowns.
FA are clowns.
I think it’s extremely weird that because a word sounds like an offensive word, it shouldn’t be used, It has massive cultural differences hence Suarez trying to claim its use against Evra and the FA admitting that Negrito is not a racially motivated term.
The FA have always been a bunch of sock cooking custards anyway.
Exactly. When in England, understand that the fact that the FA is racist.
It wasn't a black Uruguayan, it was an African poster who had a relative working over here and not feeling comfortable with it, which is understandable I guess. We all carry our own cultural baggage wherever we go, for better or worse.
No. He can use the word just fine. Stop being so close minded.
From everything I have read the word can be used to cause offence in South America as well as in a endearing way.
Therefore South Americans are aware of how it can be taken
Therefore South Americans are aware of how it can be taken
There was no clearly discriminatory intent in this case. What the FA are apparently relying on is a theory that a person can belittle another person unintentionally by referring to that other's person race. In a case where there's clearly no intent to belittle, demean, discriminate or any in way impugn the humanity of the person to whom the footballer is addressing his views, the FA should have at worst explained that its rules are its rules and given Cavani the functional equivalent of a yellow card and not a three game ban plus a heavy fine.
In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that it's the FA, not Cavani, who needs counseling.
In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that it's the FA, not Cavani, who needs counseling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has there not been cases in which clubs have been charged for the conduct of their fans?
I find the ignore button very good on this poster.
Translation is terrible, which is probably a good thing as you could make more hay out of this post than the original one.
Starting to agree the club should be vetting social media posts.
I wonder if the like 4 people out of hundreds who insisted a horrible racism was committed will then go into the match day thread and complain about Ole and our striking options.
We should have appealed, to stall the ban if anything in the hope he could play a part in the Liverpool game. His movement and physicality would have been a nightmare for their makeshift defence.
Hmmm
He can.
He misses villa city and Watford.
We then play Burnley and Liverpool. He's back for Burnley.
This happened with Bernardo Silva. Context and intent was used so he escaped the 6 match ban and only got the 1 match ban plus 50k fine. But the rules have changed and it's now a minimum 3 match ban,
This whole situation has really pi**ed me off.
The players, the fans, the club and the F.A ALL know he said what he did in a non racist way. In the language he said it, its not considered racist, it's a term of endearment.
To then go ahead and ban him for 3 games and slap him with a fine shows the F.A have no real interest in rooting out genuine racism in the sport and are more interested in looking the part. They easily could have given him a warning, or simply asked him to attend a course on the subject in relation to UK culture and that would have been the end.
Instead they have cheapened the issue and turned situation into a circus. A lot of players in the past have complained that no genuine efforts are made to stamp out racism, just slogans and empty actions. For me, this is one of them. Shameful.
The players, the fans, the club and the F.A ALL know he said what he did in a non racist way. In the language he said it, its not considered racist, it's a term of endearment.
To then go ahead and ban him for 3 games and slap him with a fine shows the F.A have no real interest in rooting out genuine racism in the sport and are more interested in looking the part. They easily could have given him a warning, or simply asked him to attend a course on the subject in relation to UK culture and that would have been the end.
Instead they have cheapened the issue and turned situation into a circus. A lot of players in the past have complained that no genuine efforts are made to stamp out racism, just slogans and empty actions. For me, this is one of them. Shameful.
Not sure who this Fernandez guy is but a one line quote by him is hardly any evidence of reports.
This is from the academy of letters in Uruguay rejecting the racial connotation of the word.
https://www.elpais.com.uy/informaci...ni-grave-injusticia-evidencia-ignorancia.html
The rules changed after those incidents. Keep up.One rule for Cavani and other rules for Hennessey and Bernardo Silva!
FA are clowns.
You just called them white girls - IE: differentiated and identified the girls by their ethnicity and skin colour - identical as the referees did against PSG. Yet one's deemed racist, and one isn't. I'm all for stamping out racism where it is used to stereotype, unfairly categorise, or with the intent to cause or influence harm. However, I think the world's starting to become a little bit precious and overly sensitive when people are looking for ways to prove they aren't a racist, rather than stamping out the actual problem.
The Bernardo Silva charge was a joke too. There was clearly no ill intent there either.
In Cavani's case, context and intent should have been used to demonstrate that there was nothing racist about it at all. The outcome should have been the charges being dropped and an apology for tarnishing his good name.
Not much difference between Suarez aggravated, aggressive baiting of a high end rivalry opponent, within the confines of high pressure match between traditional rival vs a social, affectionate message to a friend/compatriot after the game, thanking him for his congrats
fecking idiots - as is anyone seeking to justify it
fecking idiots - as is anyone seeking to justify it
Well Suarez got an 8 match ban in fairness. And a permanent stain on his character.
Since then they've tightened things up so a 3match ban was in effect the minimum Cavani could get.
Ban length is not the biggest issue here, the biggest one is that the Cavani thing was deemed to be racist which clearly wasn't. FA are a bunch of idiots so I am not surprised by that but it's still worrying how can organization like that "fight" racism without knowing what the racism is.
minimum 3 match ban for saying an affectionate “thanks” to a mate. I know it’s a difficult concept when all the evidence is abundantly clear to see.
they really are fecking clueless and its very disturbing that the game is in the hands of clueless as well as previously proven corrupt officials who largely got away with it.
Not sure why you’ve brought that PSG incident into it as that’s a whole different topic, not once have I referenced that. I said that the notion that a white person can’t say a racial slur to another white person without it being offensive is wrong and I stand by that.
As for the rest of your point I always get a bit uncomfortable when people start using words like precious and overly sensitive when it comes to talking about race as for very obvious reasons it is indeed a sensitive topic and that kind of language just stops people having healthy debate over it.
It wasn't directed solely at you, I apologise that it seemed that way.
Saying that:
I don't think using a single distinguishable feature to identify people is racist. I'm sorry. I just don't think it is. If there was 4 brunettes and a blonde, I'd say the blonde. If there was 4 Asians and a Caucasian. I'd say the Caucasian.
This is not racism. This is identification. It isn't used to prejudge or slur; it's simply used to identify using a single, easily identifiable distinguishable feature. Yet we live in a world nowadays, where identifying someone as the "black guy" is deemed racist. (The PSG match official). This is what I think is precious and overly sensitive.
Let me again reiterate before people jump down my throat. . I genuinely abhor true racism. It's disgusting and has zero place in our modern society.
What a travesty..,An absolute joke..,,
The situation are the same. If you ignore the following differences:
- Suarez called Evra ‘negro’, not ‘negrito’. One (in some circumstances) can be considered racist, the other does not.
- Suarez actually said ‘I don’t talk with you cause you are negro’ in a heated exchange, Cavani said ‘thanks negrito’ to a friend who congratulated him.
- Evra is black, Cavani’s friend is white, which makes the situation even more absurd.
Uruguayan academics slam FA over Cavani ban
(Reuters) - The Uruguayan Academy of Letters on Friday denounced a three-game ban given to Manchester United’s Edinson Cavani on Friday, calling the sanction for alleged racism an example of English football’s lack of “cultural and linguistic knowledge.”
The 33-year-old Uruguayan used the word “negrito” in an Instagram post after the club’s victory over Southampton on Nov. 29, before taking it down and apologising. He said it was intended as an expression of affection to a friend.
On Thursday the FA said the comment was “improper and brought the game into disrepute”, fined Cavani 100,000 pounds and ordered him to complete “face-to-face education” as part of his punishment.
The academy, an association dedicated to protecting and promoting the Spanish language used in Uruguay, said it “energetically rejected the sanction.”
“The English Football Association has committed a serious injustice with the Uruguayan sportsman ... and has shown its ignorance and error in ruling on the use of language, and in particular Spanish, without noting all its complexities and contexts. In the context that it was written, the only value that can be given to negrito – and particularly because of the diminutive use – is affectionately.”
Words referring to skin colour, weight and other physical characteristics are often used among friends and relations in Latin America, especially in the diminutive, the academy said. In that context they are expressions of tenderness and are often used independently of the subject’s appearance.
United said Cavani chose not to contest the charge out of respect for the FA and the “fight against racism in football”.
“My heart is at peace because I know that I always expressed myself with affection according to my culture and way of life,” he wrote on Instagram.
(Reuters) - The Uruguayan Academy of Letters on Friday denounced a three-game ban given to Manchester United’s Edinson Cavani on Friday, calling the sanction for alleged racism an example of English football’s lack of “cultural and linguistic knowledge.”
The 33-year-old Uruguayan used the word “negrito” in an Instagram post after the club’s victory over Southampton on Nov. 29, before taking it down and apologising. He said it was intended as an expression of affection to a friend.
On Thursday the FA said the comment was “improper and brought the game into disrepute”, fined Cavani 100,000 pounds and ordered him to complete “face-to-face education” as part of his punishment.
The academy, an association dedicated to protecting and promoting the Spanish language used in Uruguay, said it “energetically rejected the sanction.”
“The English Football Association has committed a serious injustice with the Uruguayan sportsman ... and has shown its ignorance and error in ruling on the use of language, and in particular Spanish, without noting all its complexities and contexts. In the context that it was written, the only value that can be given to negrito – and particularly because of the diminutive use – is affectionately.”
Words referring to skin colour, weight and other physical characteristics are often used among friends and relations in Latin America, especially in the diminutive, the academy said. In that context they are expressions of tenderness and are often used independently of the subject’s appearance.
United said Cavani chose not to contest the charge out of respect for the FA and the “fight against racism in football”.
“My heart is at peace because I know that I always expressed myself with affection according to my culture and way of life,” he wrote on Instagram.
So ... if i buy a black pencil and I want to tell it to another guy in spanish i should tell him that i bought a pencil that is not white, nor red or brown or blue or green or yellow or maroon or magenta or orange or cream or ...
That’s how stupid the FA and the ones agreeing with it are
That’s how stupid the FA and the ones agreeing with it are
No idea why people keep insisting its a term of endearment in South America. England is not South America. What happened to "when in rome".
Being homosexual maybe be normal in England but in some countries you get thrown off the buildings. Get it?
Being homosexual maybe be normal in England but in some countries you get thrown off the buildings. Get it?
I get it, i get it ... UK rules are as stupid as taliban’s ... ok
Go figure
Oh no, of course, it's not in the UK so it's OK. Romans and all that.
Let's not pretend other cultures do not have kinks of their own. I don't know south american culture that well, but if you dug deep enough you will find something that's considered offensive in SA but normal in England.
This is how it is around the world.
Go figure
Oh no, of course, it's not in the UK so it's OK. Romans and all that.
Hola negrito!
