There's somebody called 'Rex Orange County'? Jaysus.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I actually quite like his music, it's very easy listening. So this is a shame if true.
Weird because Aziz had similar allegations.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...tor-o-yeong-su-charged-with-sexual-misconduct
Squid Game actor O Yeong-su charged with sexual misconduct
South Korea’s prosecutor says 78-year-old is accused of improperly touching a woman’s body in 2017
Squid Game actor O Yeong-su charged with sexual misconduct
South Korea’s prosecutor says 78-year-old is accused of improperly touching a woman’s body in 2017
I have stopped taking these allegations seriously. It essentially boils down to he says she says. Where is the justice in that?
Ihttps://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...tor-o-yeong-su-charged-with-sexual-misconduct
Squid Game actor O Yeong-su charged with sexual misconduct
South Korea’s prosecutor says 78-year-old is accused of improperly touching a woman’s body in 2017
Are you confessing?
Yep.........To having healthy skepticism of 5 year old allegations of inappropriate touching. Unless there are witnesses...or a text trail...or the woman was a minor
how do you know the woman was 5? it doesn’t say anywhere in the article. @horsechoker is right, you seem to know an awful lot about it for an innocent man.
Not old man Yeong!https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...tor-o-yeong-su-charged-with-sexual-misconduct
Squid Game actor O Yeong-su charged with sexual misconduct
South Korea’s prosecutor says 78-year-old is accused of improperly touching a woman’s body in 2017
Where did I say the woman was 5? I said that the alleged incident occurred 5 years ago!
To be fair, you also confessed to being healthy...
whoever creates the diversion, has the perversion
Can you get charged on just an allegation?
Do you have any special insight into this case to tell that there isn't any of that? He's not being cancelled, he's being charged by the authorities. That's not healthy skepticism, that's talking out of your ass.
It doesn't mean he definitely did it, but nor does it warrant people immediately jumping to say that they don't take it seriously. You should take it seriously.
People are asking you why you're not taking the South Korean police seriously, which is an interesting question of course, but I'm wondering why you take minors seriously when you don't take women or the police seriously?
Too bloody right. It’s almost not worth getting raped any more.
Depends on the laws of country, but in some places, yes you can. A complaining witness can and often is considered evidence in itself. Domestic abuse cases for example, there is often no other evidence or witnesses. So the CPS judges the complaining witness and goes ahead with the charge depending on how convincing the witness is.
Yeah, I know the domestic abuse bit, just wasn't sure outside that.
Any complaint where the witness can identify the suspect. It’s not limited to domestics, but domestics are where it happens most. but yeah, any crime you are the victim of, your complaint can be enough to get the ball rolling. Getting a conviction on just that though will be a tall order.
Should stress though, I have no idea if this is the law in South Korea.
Who says that I do not take women or the police seriously? I do, however, have difficulty taking allegations seriously when there is little or no evidence to back them up other than the word of one person over another. I also have a problem if the allegations are being made only now based on an alleged incident that occurred 5 years ago. Why was a report not made at the time of the alleged incident? How can either party prove their case if there are no witnesses?
Again, from where do you have impression that this is the case here? If you've got a source for this claim, then by all means share it with us. If not then you're basically just virtue signalling.
You very clearly learned the wrong lesson from MeToo ("I have stopped taking these allegations seriously").
This is a case where the South Korean justice system has decided to charge O Yeong-su with a crime. Who says you don't take the South Korean justice system seriousy? You do, here:
You seem to ignore the other part of my post where I said... "Unless there are witnesses...or a text trail...or the woman was a minor"
What I refuse to do however is convict/condemn someone solely on the basis of an accusation and this to me is where the MeToo movement seems to be heading.
This is the same guy who:
Used to be a cop:
Thinks executing dogs is deescalating:
and makes fun of an unarmed person getting shot 90 times:
He didn't learn any lesson from MeToo, positive or negative. There was nothing to be learned, people like this have never had any regard for human life unless those pieces of meat act exactly as ordered to.
Wow!
If you have the time maybe you should look at the history of my posts on that thread and you might get a much clearer view of my position.. I was speaking about the racism in policing in America long before the tide turned with George Floyd and also when it was not that popular to do so. I am not and have never been a police officer but I have been an officer of the law
Play stupid games ..Win stupid prizes!Wow!
If you have the time maybe you should look at the history of my posts on that thread and you might get a much clearer view of my position.. I was speaking about the racism in policing in America long before the tide turned with George Floyd and also when it was not that popular to do so. I am not and have never been a police officer but I have been an officer of the law
There is no need for repetition, people can click on the quotes and read your script. You don't deviate.
About the shooting that @Goalfather found so funny, Jayland Walker had 46 entrance wounds when he died. He was unarmed.
This is hilarious...I must admitThis you?
You are showing your true colours. You are deliberately taking my posts out of context
The guy opened fire on the police while being pursued. In that instance, the police were justified in returning fire. Once you open fire on police and refuse to surrender, then all bets are off and the likely outcome will be that you will be killed. It is not the wisest decision to open fire on police!
There is a plethora of reasons why women feel unable to report when sexual assault and rape immediately after they have occurred. Victim blaming, shame, fear of not being believed, the fear of losing their integrity, losing their job. etc, fear of wasting their own time, the time of authorities. The list goes on. My wife was the victim of sexual assault, and it took weeks of speaking to her to get her to even consider speaking to the police, and in the end she didn't. The person who did that to her was the partner of a work colleague as well as someone she considered a friend, whereby reporting it would have opened a can of worms, complicating a working relationship and a friendship, and in the end she didn't want to create that difficult situation.
Besides, the actual conviction rate of sexual assault and rape is incredibly low. It's understandable why many may think it is a waste of time and resources at the time it happens.
I am genuinely sorry that it happened to someone that you loved. My aim was not to trivialise rape and other forms of sexual assault. I, also, have friends who were victims of rape and/or sexual abuse and who managed to navigate to the other end. Two of them were teenagers at the time and both managed, thank God, to make it out on the other side in an environment that neither encourages reporting nor provides therapy to victims of abuse. One only confided in her parent when she realized she was pregnant and was beaten and then taken to have a backstreet abortion which left her ill for weeks and another who at the time I met her had tried to commit suicide twice. In my opinion rape and sexual abuse are capital crimes.
It does not negate, however, the legal maxim that he/she who alleges must prove, it is there for a reason, to prevent innocent people from wrongful and malicious prosecution and I believe that this Celebrity/Me Too movement is swinging the pendulum too far the other way. There are many people whose lives have been changed by false accusations and that is also underreported and a fact that the Me Too movement conveniently ignores. I am glad that victims of real sexual assault now have an environment to come forward and tell their stories and have a greater chance of receiving justice. But it is also naive to believe that there are people and the number is not small who will take advantage of this environment to exact revenge for petty slights, grievances or for profit.
How does someone go about proving they've been sexually assaulted?
People like you honestly make me sick.
How do you prove that you did not sexually assault someone if falsely accused?
You don't...? The legal burden of proof isn't on the defendant.
You can't. So then you have to decide what's more likely to have happened.
All the stats point to the amount of sexual assaults that go unreported far, far outweighing the number of false accusations. But people like you choose to believe the accused rather than the accuser. Why?
I don't even know you but I can bet that you personally would know far more people who have been sexually assaulted than people who have been falsely accused. And yet you're still siding with the accused?