Champions League Final 2019 | Spurs v Liverpool (1st June)

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  1. May 16, 2019

    tenpoless Full Member

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    I'd take spurs fan gloating in front of my face anyday than Pool winning another CL.

    The 6 times will be unbearable.
  2. May 16, 2019

    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    Keep the dream alive though!! Someone said you'd been 20mins from going out the whole way and it could be fate.
    And would be hilarious if pool destroy barcelona, then lose the final!!
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    Moshe Dayan New Member

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    I'm pretty sure Spurs fans were not wearing flares in 1984. I can't be so sure about Liverpoo fans though.
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    africanspur Full Member

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    That's true. We were 12 minutes from going out against PSV in the 4th group stage match, 10 minutes away against Inter in the 5th match, 5 away against Barcelona in the final one.

    Confortable against Dortmund, 17 minutes away against City (and the VAR decision) and about 10 seconds away against Ajax.

    Even writing that has given me chest pain again.

    I guess Liverpool might feel the same though, they've been close to going out a few times too I think.
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    FootballHQ Full Member

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    Group stage? Don't think you really deserved to beat PSV but scored with two late ones, even then you needed them to do you a favour in the last game v Inter.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    We had 30 shots vs PSV and totally dominated the game, not sure how we didn't deserve to beat them.

    We also should never have lost vs Inter at home (absolute smash and grab job) and had a perfectly valid goal disallowed vs PSV in the first game which cost us 2 points.

    Inter getting through would have been a travesty. They fluked 3 points at home vs us and then did nothing.
  7. May 20, 2019

    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    I've just been looking on RAWK and the enforced "group-think" on there about the CL final is truly astounding. No room for doubt or questioning is allowed - or at least not without being jumped on if the odd poster dares to break ranks.

    According to RAWK, Spurs have virtually no chance whatsoever of winning.

    The paranoia is typified by:

    * "This is how bad morale starts in any group - whether it's a football club or an army. A number of individuals start expressing black thoughts and sooner or later everyone is infected ...
    Liverpool are one of the most perfect football teams ever assembled. That's what should be on your mind - and your tongue."

    * "I'm not interested in how we can lose. We're not going to lose. Anybody who is expressing concerns about us losing, taking Spurs for granted, cautioning us against being over confident etc etc, is simply hedging their bets against the pain of us falling short again. ... I'm not predicting a scoreline, but I am predicting a victory. There is simply no other outcome for me".

    * ... there is actually no fecking way we are losing this one. No fecking way"

    Well, I would say to the poster of the last comment above, actually there are several ways in which Liverpool might lose. You might be favourites, but that is no guarantee of victory.
  8. May 20, 2019

    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    The Romance that RAWK is enamoured with depends on near-success; in effect, failure. Klopp's recent remark about the journey being more important than the destination expressed this ironic truth: the essence of romance is poignancy rather than glory, despite appearances.
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    Hughes35 Full Member

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    I had some Liverpool P**ck in a bar the other day who just kept shouting in my face that they had won the CL 6 times.

    When I pointed out that they haven't yet won the 6th he just got really aggressive and kept saying it was already won. He also said that Liverpool are in the middle of an era of dominance similar to United in the 90's and 0's.... When I said they haven't won anything he shouted "Yes we have, we won the CL in 2012"...... That's 7 years ago. You really cant make this stuff up.
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    Raw Full Member

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    So he switched from a Chelsea fan to a Liverpool fan then?
  11. May 20, 2019

    Hughes35 Full Member

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    I've no idea, the guy just didn't know what he was talking about. He also claimed that Liverpool have won a trophy more recently than Utd had (Because of their CL in 2012).

    Considering their last final before last year was 2006-07 it just completely baffled me. Also asked for my phone number so he could call me after they win their 6th. I respectfully declined.
  12. May 20, 2019

    ManRant Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Spurs 1-0 (Cleanskin, 2012)
  13. May 20, 2019

    Scroto Baggins Full Member

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    With the attacking firepower both teams have I dont see it being this low scoring.
  14. May 20, 2019

    GNRfan New Member

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    Not sure why there is so much obsession with RAWK.

    The same "you are with us or against us" mentality exists in every club's set of fans. RAWK are only a minority. Most Liverpool fans know it won't be an easy game, but we are confident that we will get the job done.
    Right now, we are one of the most feared sides in Europe.
    You only had to see how Barcelona played in the first leg, even Messi resorted to pantomiming injuries.

    Spurs strength will show in the second half - you tend to find something in reserve.
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    redman5 Full Member

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    Liverpool are something like 4/7 to win it outright, & Spurs are 7/4, so there's not much in it really as far as the odds go. I see shades of us in 2005 with Spurs this time around. Looking back, from the moment Gerrard scored that late screamer (You beauty) against Olympiacos in our final group match, I reckon our name was on the trophy. Garcia's 'ghost goal' against Chelsea in the semi's. Then us coming back from the dead in the final, & Dudek's late save in Extra-time. It was deemed to be our destiny to win it that year. I sense something similar with your team this time around. I make some decent money on in-play betting/trading throughout the season. My profit for the season just gone is over £4,000. I've stuck a massive £2,000 lay bet on Liverpool not to win the trophy at 1.59 on Betfair. My liability (potential loss) will be over £1,100 if we win. But the £2,000 I'll collect if we lose will help ease the pain. I could think of much worse English teams to lose the final too though. I'd certainly be happy for Glen Hoddle, who himself said he was nearly not here to witness your getting to the final for the first time ever. I'd also smile at the T-shirts Spurs fans would be wearing.........Lad's, it's Spurs. Champions of Europe :)
  16. May 22, 2019

    Scroto Baggins Full Member

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    Read somewhere Spurs are only allocated 16500 seats? Is this the same for both teams? Who takes up the other 30000 seats? Neutrals? Who is forking out that much money to go watch as a neutral?
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    MalBot Full Member

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    For the Europa League final us and Chelsea got allocated 12000 tickets between us in a stadium that holds 68000.

    As it turns out cos of logistics and politics we both are struggling to even sell out those but that isn't the point. How could you have more than 50000 as 'neutrals' in a major final? Most of the tickets have been given to Sponsors and the peculiar named 'UEFA Family'.
  18. May 22, 2019

    Stookie Nurse bell end

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    If spurs can knock City on they’re own patch there’s no reason they can’t win this. They’ll have to withstand the inevitable bumrush for the first 20mins but if they don’t concede then the pressure turns on to Liverpool.
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    Finn MacCool Full Member

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    A couple of seasons ago you would have been correct but we're a lot more patient now and scored a lot of late goals in the season just finished.
  20. May 22, 2019

    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    I don't blame them for being confident. If we were facing a team who finished 20 odd points below us who we did the double over in the league, I would also be confident.

    They're a better team than us (significantly) and for me big favourites to emerge with the trophy. It's a one off game in a final so anything can happen but that's the reality and I'm comfortable with it, we've massively exceeded expectations just by getting to the final. Anything more for me would be a bonus, the only way I'll be unhappy is if we don't even make it a contest and it ends like 3 or 4 nil, that would be unacceptable.
  21. May 22, 2019

    Rob Full Member

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    I'm just annoyed at the long wait. 3 weeks, ffs.

    As for the game, I consider us slight favourites, but anything can happen in a one off and Spurs are very good on their day.

    As an aside, I read that some Spurs season ticket holders have been banned indefinitely for trying to sell tickets through secondary websites. Imagine going from having a ticket to see your team play the CL final to having no ticket and have your ST cancelled. Ouch. I wonder what the going rate for a ticket to see the final on the black market is.
  22. May 22, 2019

    BobbyManc Full Member

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    Some Liverpool fans have been banned too. I saw a figure of over £4,000 quoted in one headline for a ticket. I can understand why these bans are being dished out but equally, I can sympathise with a fan who may really need some cash and can't refuse an offer of such an amount for a ticket.
  23. May 22, 2019

    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    It's not the confidence that astounds me (speaking of RAWK), it's the enforced, paranoid and superstitious group-think where any doubts and questioners are jumped on and any real discussion is suppressed.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    Oh yeah it's a properly shit forum. In fairness most football forums are, Redcafe is unique and hugely benefits (in my opinion) from the fact that you're allowed to not just be a blind supporter of the club and the views of rival fans are encouraged. Makes this place very unique.

    RAWK is definitely the worst football forum on the net, the biggest hotbed for delusional, romanticised claptrap I've ever seen. It shouldn't be used to represent all Liverpool fans though in fairness, plenty on here are good lads and I know a few in person who are decent and who would laugh their arses off at the shite poetry spinning virgins that run RAWK.

    No decent Liverpool fans should be on there. Pointless.
  25. May 22, 2019

    redshaw Full Member

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    I've noticed how the 2005 final that Liverpool won gets assigned all sorts of dates. People seem to have this thought Rafa's win was sometime in the last 8-10 years.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Speedy30 Liverpool Fan

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    Make no mistake, this game is going to be the toughest of the season for us. We're favourites which carries a pressure that being underdogs doesn't. Klopp will be working alongside the clubs psychologists to try and ease the burden on the players but after losing the final last year, I'd imagine the players are feeling even more pressure to win this.
    Spurs can relax and enjoy themselves which will make for an entertaining game of football.
    I'll be gutted if we don't win but we're playing another Premier League team who are just as worthy of being in the final as we are and in a one off match, just like a league game, the result could go either way.
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    Rob Full Member

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    I’m sure they have. With prizes being 4,000 like you say, then I can imagine a lot of people being tempted. Hell, I probably would be, too.
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    africanspur Full Member

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    Rightly so to be honest. The club have made their policy on this very clear and I think it's completely the right now. Trying to flip the ticket to a desperate fan for many thousands of fans is pretty scummy in my opinion.
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    africanspur Full Member

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    Yeah completely agreed and I don't understand why some fans get so wound up with what fans of other clubs say or write.

    I'm not that typical, I'm generally pretty pessimistic about Spurs (being a Spurs fan will do that) but what the hell is the point of following your team if you're just going to constantly be miserable and not believe in them?

    Liverpool are rightly favourites and I'd be very confident if I was a Liverpool fan too. I said the same about Ajax fans after the first leg too.

    Doesn't mean we won't and can't win it of course but... I can completely understand their views towards the match.

    I'm completely torn about what to do with Winks, Kane and Aurier.

    Throwing all of them in is almost unthinkable. Three just returning players... What happens if 1/2 of them break down?

    For Kane: despite some of the silly stuff being written now about how we're better without him, we're... Just not. He's our best player and our talisman. Can we just drop one of Moura or Son though? And we also need to think about ET and penalties. If it does go to penalties, he needs to be on that pitch.

    Winks... Dier and Wanyama have both had a series of injures this season which has made them almost obselete. Their performances since coming back poor. Dropping back Eriksen/Dele or both blunts their attacking input. Winks is so important to how we'd like to play but can he be risked?

    Aurier....Tripper has cost us a big portion of the goals we've conceded in the knockouts I feel.....

    Very tough decisions
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    Swordsman New Member

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    all of my friends who are making huge bets on Liverpool to win CL. it's more or less of a sure win ?
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    Cold Fusion New Member

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    Definitely not a sure win. As others have said, this is two teams closely matched. A cup final can go either way. Just look at what happened to Liverpool last year. You just can't account for something like that happening!

    It'll be close. Liverpool have the slight advantage, but it's only slight IMO. Really looking forward to the game. My best friend is a Spurs supporter and is coming to mine for the game!
  33. May 23, 2019

    Pagh Wraith Full Member

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    It's 65/35 in Liverpool's favour.
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    royboy16 Full Member

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    While liverpool will be favourites, I dont see the pressure getting to them as they seemed to be able to handle it in the later stages of the premier league race v City.
    Will Kane be starting the final ?
    2-1 liverpool :(
  35. May 24, 2019

    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    4-3 Spurs.
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    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    It's like people haven't watched us play in finals over the last 20 years.

    It's never easy or straight forward.
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    Xaviesta Full Member

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    2-1 after extra time, just not sure who's going to win.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    It’s a massive game already being a final, the fact that it’s 2 English clubs is making it an absolute melting pot. I’m defenitely happier at beings the underdog going into this game.
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    By CL he must have meant LC (league cup) which is their only trophy since 2006.
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    8 more days left. Can't f wait for this shit.