Ok got it. And for my understanding, you would expect only the profit (maybe with a small multiplicator) to be available for transfers, correct?
Champions League qualification is worth £85m
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I certainly hope and pray that Ruben prioritizes the semifinal games over the premier league games and keeps the guys fresh who are pivotal to winning
Why would additional revenue have any bearing on transfer budget if it didn't result in additional profit?
Pretty much. There could be some nuances around the timing of cash coming in vs cash going out, but for simplicity's sake, profitability is what matters here.
Meh, when we spend a lot of money, more often than not it's a waste plus we'd be well behind the standard of the Champions League. I'd love to win the Europa but spending lots of money doesn't guarantee anything
He is on record saying that he will do exactly that so you you don't have to be worried.
I am not the one to answer questions on that as my knowledge in that aspect is so thin that I barely get by without asking questions myself.
Got it. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Had Amorim not rotated players in the FA Cup we'd have beaten them. Hope he gets the chance to beat them this season.
hell with that....let's hope spurs get knocked out by the norwegian club
Yeah, maybe. I do hate team's being allowed to use artificial pitches in this competition, it's a different sport really and invites injuries. In any case, I think Bilbao is a serious challenge.
The ultimate outcome of our Europa League campaign very well might be a watershed moment for us.
Win it and we're back in the Champions League, with a financial windfall and the prospect of signing top players who obviously only want a club that'll be in the CL. Maybe by some miracle we're actually able to compete for top 4/5 next season and get back to being a perennial CL club, which is where we need to be.
Fail to win it and we're staring at the first season of no European competition in a decade, a loss of major revenue, and the difficulty of attracting top talent to the club, which could create a cascading effect that makes it harder and harder to ever qualify again.
Honestly, the fact that we're 'only' competing in the Europa League is kind of embarrassing as it is, since it's literally the second-rate competition, but the way things are going we could become one of those clubs for which qualifying for the second-rate competition is a massive accomplishment...and that's pretty gross.
Win it and we're back in the Champions League, with a financial windfall and the prospect of signing top players who obviously only want a club that'll be in the CL. Maybe by some miracle we're actually able to compete for top 4/5 next season and get back to being a perennial CL club, which is where we need to be.
Fail to win it and we're staring at the first season of no European competition in a decade, a loss of major revenue, and the difficulty of attracting top talent to the club, which could create a cascading effect that makes it harder and harder to ever qualify again.
Honestly, the fact that we're 'only' competing in the Europa League is kind of embarrassing as it is, since it's literally the second-rate competition, but the way things are going we could become one of those clubs for which qualifying for the second-rate competition is a massive accomplishment...and that's pretty gross.
Would be great to play Bodo in the final.
We get 85M if we are in champions league, if not we will save 57M on wages(25% cut).so its not much difference financially and INEOS may bridge that 28M by playing in Saudi or somewhere else during mid season but its the pride of playing champions league matches is what i want..
Looking at the last 3 games we played and concluding we're massive underdogs in the next game we play them is a bit simplistic. There's a thing called variance, I'm sure we've beaten teams who Spurs have lost to this season, it doesn't mean much.
They weren't any better than us in their 4-3 victory and 1-0 victory at their stadium, they were just on the right side of the result in a competitive game.
They did run all over us at old trafford to be fair but under previous manager and we went down to 10 men at 1-0 down which killed the game.
We're 14th and 15th in the league. Two crap teams, it's a 50/50 game.
My bigger worry isn't our results against Spurs but that Spurs are destined to break their trophyless streak, Ange gets his redemption after everyone laughed at him when he said "I always win things in my 2nd season".
What really matters in the end is winning the EL trophy and returning to the CL, regardless of the financial windfall with both. It’s just that simple.
Should have kept Rashford and brought him on as as an impact sub - he could have helped us atleast score goals.
We also overlook the better schedule that CL games have. Playing Tuesday/Wednesday then Saturday/Sunday is much better than always playing Thursday-Sunday.
20-40m for CL TV money, 20-30m for stadium revenue? Add 20m of sponsor penalty for failing CL twice in a row, not sure this is still true under current deal.
So I suppose similar picture on Europa, except TV money is less on group stage but we can normally advance further. Sponsor penalty may stick.
£10m every time we fail to qualify. No need to be twice in a row.
I worry about the mental pressure we’re putting on players to win the Europa. They don’t do well under immense pressure and expectation.
We progress a lot further in the EL and have a 25% wage decrease so I doubt it make a big difference purely financially. However we won't qualify for Europe at all next season if we don't win it this season
The Champions League TV money is worth more than that. For United it would be worth anywhere from £50m - £120m.
The lower range assumes we go out in the group stages and the higher estimate assumes us winning it.
He said something in his post interview with Rio and them that (am paraphrasing) "Kids will play in the premier league games and fans have to understand" something along those lines
We need it now like never before, winning the UEFA Cup is vital for our future
This is what I want to see, the champions league cash to wage bill. Think there’s something like 25% CL clauses in player contracts. And the figures show united seldom make over 55 million in Europe (much of which would go to cover higher salaries) so why quote a higher potential figure?
I’d be interested to see united ins/outs in europa , with players on lower salaries to uniteds equal data in CL.
Understand it? It’s about the only way the Premier League can be interesting to me from here.
I bet our sponsorships go up too though. We must have clauses that pay more in the event of CL qualification.
Would be great to play Bodo in the final.
Athletic Club should beat us easily over the two legs.
They have lost only two games by more than 1 goal all season, 2-0 to Barcelona in the supercup, and 4-1 to Besiktas in the EL Group stage. In the league they have lost only 4 games, all by a single goal. We've lost 9 games by more than 1 goal this season.
The only saving grace is that they do need to prioritise their league form. They are 8 points ahead of 6th place (5th guaranteed to get a CL place this year, same as England) whereas we can forget it.
Betting markets have it as;
Spurs - 34.50% (high because their SF opponents are considered weak)
Athletic Club 30.25%
United - 28.17%
Bodo Glint 7.09%
Also, our centre backs when we lost in Feb were Maguire, de Ligt, Maz. No Amad either. Come the final, we could be playing with Yoro, de Ligt, Heaven - a completely different physical profile. Plus we are an improved team now, despite what the naysayers say.
completely forgot we played them in the league bit, my badThis is a parody post, right?Would be great to play Bodo in the final.
It’s a screen grab from a Grok response after someone on Twitter asked it the question.
But why?
I’d be thinking we’re 3rd favourites
I think winning it is possible but far from 65% likely! As we saw against Lyon, we are very susceptible to skillful players pressing our defenders, so anticipate some problems with Bilbao, who have he added incentive of a final on home turf. Assuming we do get through, I'd expect us to face Spurs, with Ange's 'second season trophy' narrative looming. The magic of last Thursday's comeback does paint a romantic idea of our name being on the cup but that's for the superstitious. Obviously it's a one off in the final, and we know anything can happen, but the pressure on us to win is building and all this talk of the financial impact, which I acknowledge is real, piles it on to team that has more than a little fragility. Right now, I'll look no further than the semi and see if we show up there.
That's over twice what I recall it being? Or am I out of date by like 10 years
85M is the minimum. We could get much more than that especially if we go further in the tournament.
Depends how the contract is worded. If it only says top 4 for full salary and not and/or qualified for ch lge then technically they could keep them on the 25% reduction
How? It’s the same number of days in between games. I never understood this logic
For the fans and the prestige of the club, CL is very important …. But as been said before, the salary discount makes up a large portion of the deficit.
I am sure the club would have already worked out how they will deal with not winning EL (qualifying for CL), but I don’t think it will be pretty.
It will be a case of minus net spend in my opinion to ensure that they are in line with PSR. They will also have the consideration that there is no Europe and therefore less stress on the squad, so can allow a lot of deadwood to leave and replace a few (+ graduates).
I don’t see any marquee signings this summer with players brought in who can play the system rather than big names. If we had had some of this discapline over the last ten years, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
I am sure the club would have already worked out how they will deal with not winning EL (qualifying for CL), but I don’t think it will be pretty.
It will be a case of minus net spend in my opinion to ensure that they are in line with PSR. They will also have the consideration that there is no Europe and therefore less stress on the squad, so can allow a lot of deadwood to leave and replace a few (+ graduates).
I don’t see any marquee signings this summer with players brought in who can play the system rather than big names. If we had had some of this discapline over the last ten years, we wouldn’t be in this mess.