I just said he was labelled a flop which both the articles stated. Even in 2012 they came 8th, 7th in 2013, Suarez dragged them to a title challenge and they were back to 7th in 2015. They were a mediocre team, he was captain and not nearly the best player so he, like most, was average. Not as if the was in the team of the year like Scotty P or Fletcher. He was just a player in an average team and not a stand out. My assessment standsTo defend your position about Henderson not being a good player by linking two articles eulogising the guy is a pretty bold move.
Rodgers did try to offload him, that was a few weeks into his time at Liverpool before Henderson had ever played for him, he went on to make Henderson his captain.
I was pretty critical of Henderson early on in his career, I hold my hands up and admit I was wrong, under the right manager I've now seen exactly what he brings to his side. Yes Klopp has been great for him, but he's not a magician, the player still has to suit him and what he demands on the football pitch. You don't accidentaly fumble your way into captaining a side into becoming Premier League and European champions while playing an important role without being a good player.
Also this is the Tuchel thread, I was the one who derailed it but maybe we should take this to the Henderson/Liverpool thread.