Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel

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Tuchel is probably the closest thing to prime fergie and wenger in the premier league.

The way he effortlessly integrates squad players into the first 11 without a drop in performances is the kind of thing we use to see from fergie and prime wenger, for me tuchel has set the bar of what I want to see from the next united manager by not being afraid to use youth academy players and rotating squad players into the first 11 when needed without a massive dip in performance on the pitch.
I was just about to say the same thing. Their squad all of a sudden looks fantastic and so strong with options in every position, but that's because of the system & the confidence he's instilled that there's barely a drop in performance when players are dropped in & out. And we aren't talking about shifting from Kante to Kovacic, your talking about players like Loftus-Cheek who is 25, had multiple loans without ever really excelling, suddenly looking like a brand new player.

I reckon they could have put out an XI that didn't start yesterday that could have still beaten Juventus last night.
 

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Looks like Chilwell could be ACL, hopefully not.

Wondering if Tuchel might be tempted to try turn Sarr or Pulisic in to our backup left wing back as Alonso can't play all games.
 

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I was just about to say the same thing. Their squad all of a sudden looks fantastic and so strong with options in every position, but that's because of the system & the confidence he's instilled that there's barely a drop in performance when players are dropped in & out. And we aren't talking about shifting from Kante to Kovacic, your talking about players like Loftus-Cheek who is 25, had multiple loans without ever really excelling, suddenly looking like a brand new player.

I reckon they could have put out an XI that didn't start yesterday that could have still beaten Juventus last night.
Can see quadruple talk starting soon.
 

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Looks like Chilwell could be ACL, hopefully not.

Wondering if Tuchel might be tempted to try turn Sarr or Pulisic in to our backup left wing back as Alonso can't play all games.
Better Call Saul.
 

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Looks like Chilwell could be ACL, hopefully not.

Wondering if Tuchel might be tempted to try turn Sarr or Pulisic in to our backup left wing back as Alonso can't play all games.
Azpi has a lot of experience on the left. Could play CHO there too.
 

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Nevermind the quad, we're sextupling.
For arguments sake, if a team was able to do that, then add the Charity Shield before the following season starts, would that count a septuple or would the CS only be counted towards the following seasons total?
 

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For arguments sake, if a team was able to do that, then add the Charity Shield before the following season starts, would that count a septuple or would the CS only be counted towards the following seasons total?
I'd say no, gotta be same season to count in my eyes.

Sextuple > septuple though, obviously.
 

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I was just about to say the same thing. Their squad all of a sudden looks fantastic and so strong with options in every position, but that's because of the system & the confidence he's instilled that there's barely a drop in performance when players are dropped in & out. And we aren't talking about shifting from Kante to Kovacic, your talking about players like Loftus-Cheek who is 25, had multiple loans without ever really excelling, suddenly looking like a brand new player.

I reckon they could have put out an XI that didn't start yesterday that could have still beaten Juventus last night.
Bit harsh on Loftus Cheek, he was excellent on loan at Palace, was doing great under Sarri and then got a bad injury which left him out for around a year.
The Fulham loan was poor but he probably never wanted to go there in the first place.
 

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For arguments sake, if a team was able to do that, then add the Charity Shield before the following season starts, would that count a septuple or would the CS only be counted towards the following seasons total?
Bayern and Barcelona were actually able to win all six in a calendar year. Barcelona in 2009. and Bayern in 2020. English and French clubs can have a go at seven trophies though due to having an extra cup. Charity Shield counts for the year in which it was won, therefore, if Chelsea wins it in august next year, it's for year 2022.
 

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Bit harsh on Loftus Cheek, he was excellent on loan at Palace, was doing great under Sarri and then got a bad injury which left him out for around a year.
The Fulham loan was poor but he probably never wanted to go there in the first place.
It wasn't a dig at the player, I think he has some great attributes. But at 25 I still think of him as a talent instead of a fully fledged first team player.

You talk about Palace but he only started 20 odd games for them because of injury, & the following season under Sarri he only made 6 starts in the league, he was more a Europa League player.

I think he's been unlucky with injuries & managers having lots of options in his position, if he was at most other clubs he probably would have been that certified starter by now.
 

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Have to admit I'm very envious of Tuchel being over at Chelsea. I distinctly recall the season we got the better of his PSG. The entire time he was sat on a box on the touchline shouting and gesticulating with his orthopedic boot on. That really endeared him to me. I love seeing such passion for the game and desire to win that you make yourself uncomfortable to try and make it happen Happy for his successes since. Quality manager.
 

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Have to admit I'm very envious of Tuchel being over at Chelsea. I distinctly recall the season we got the better of his PSG. The entire time he was sat on a box on the touchline shouting and gesticulating with his orthopedic boot on. That really endeared him to me. I love seeing such passion for the game and desire to win that you make yourself uncomfortable to try and make it happen Happy for his successes since. Quality manager.
I also think people miss the details of the home fixture which PSG. It was a tactical masterclass and the first ounce of recognition i received of the manager. The way he nullified Pogba who was in excellent form while minimising the output of the attack was very very good. PSG also had great balance, despite being resolute in defence they were just as threatening in attack.
 

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I think it does not prove Lampard to have been very poor, quite the contrary actually. Yes he failed to make the team work successfully, but Tuchel's immediate success was only possible because he inherited a squad full of fit and quality players. He just needed to find the right formation and philosophy to make it work ( and it is Lampard's fault he wasn't able to do that), but Tuchel did not have to worry about so called deadwood or massive toxicity in the club.

That is kind of the best possible state you can find a troubled club in when you take over. So some credit has to go to Lampard for creating this squad, some has to go for the board for making the call at the right time (before the struggles really impacted the squad quality), and of course a lot to Tuchel for doing the right things when he came in.
Lampard is the very definition of a poor coach. He made world beaters look bang average. Often blaming players for the teams performances instead of his own tactical ineptitude. Hopefully he's not in denial after watching what happened at Chelsea and realises he's far from where he needs to be to be a top coach.
 

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Lampard is the very definition of a poor coach. He made world beaters look bang average. Often blaming players for the teams performances instead of his own tactical ineptitude. Hopefully he's not in denial after watching what happened at Chelsea and realises he's far from where he needs to be to be a top coach.
I think the main point he was making is his squad building was excellent even if he wasn't at the level to bare the fruits of his own labour.

The squad he inherited compared to the squad he left is night and day, as we're seeing now.
 

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I think the main point he was making is his squad building was excellent even if he wasn't at the level to bare the fruits of his own labour.

The squad he inherited compared to the squad he left is night and day, as we're seeing now.
Coaches don't build squads at Chelsea. He should only be credited with promoting some of the youngsters but they've already binned of Tomori and Tammy.
 

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Lampard is the very definition of a poor coach. He made world beaters look bang average. Often blaming players for the teams performances instead of his own tactical ineptitude. Hopefully he's not in denial after watching what happened at Chelsea and realises he's far from where he needs to be to be a top coach.
There was a massive gap between the defence and midfield the whole time Frank was manager, attacking teams had acres of space and two or three unmarked players in our box.. This happened nearly every game and he couldn't work out how to stop it. I think Derby was a similar problem. Hopefully he will look at what Thomas has done and learn from it.
 

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Coaches don't build squads at Chelsea. He should only be credited with promoting some of the youngsters but they've already binned of Tomori and Tammy.
It's well documented he spoke to Werner, Ziyech and Havertz, made the decision (or was at the least very happy to) to defer to Cech 're Mendy (many manager would have demanded their own pick and certainly wouldn't have settled for such a 'low' name) and was pretty much the sole driver towards Chilwell. And ofcourse as you say James and Mount are in here largely thanks to him (can't credit him too much with Callum as he nearly left on his watch).

I don't argue he's a very long way from becoming a top manager and he may never do, but he for sure deserves credit for the rooster improving so much under his watch, could you imagine the squad he inherited beating Juve full stop let alone so comprehensively?
 

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Coaches don't build squads at Chelsea. He should only be credited with promoting some of the youngsters but they've already binned of Tomori and Tammy.
He gave the youngsters experience and let them learn. It wasn't a successful time for the club, but for young players it is absolutely important to get playing time.

@Dancfc exactly understood my point, that I think Lampard did well during that phase. He wasn't able to step up tactically once he got better players in, but he did also not do lasting damage to the squad.
 

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It's well documented he spoke to Werner, Ziyech and Havertz, made the decision to defer to Cech 're Mendy (many manager would have demanded their own pick and certainly wouldn't have settled for such a 'low' name) and was pretty much the sole driver towards Chilwell. And ofcourse as you say James and Mount are in here largely thanks to him (can't credit him too much with Callum as he nearly left on his watch).

I don't argue he's a very long way from becoming a top manager and he may never do, but he for sure deserves credit for the rooster improving so much under his watch, could you imagine the squad he inherited beating Juve full stop let alone so comprehensively?
Youre giving him too much credit for the transfers. Chelsea were always going to spend money on players after the ban, in fact you could argue that money wasn't used all that wisely. Those are huge fees for depth.
 

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He gave the youngsters experience and let them learn. It wasn't a successful time for the club, but for young players it is absolutely important to get playing time.

@Dancfc exactly understood my point, that I think Lampard did well during that phase. He wasn't able to step up tactically once he got better players in, but he did also not do lasting damage to the squad.
He gave the youngsters experience when there wasn't much of a choice because of the ban. He somehow had people convinced that Jorginho and Rudiger weren't quality players. It was a mess.

He didn't do lasting damage because he got yanked out. Do you think those players would still be there if he was still there? With him in charge Chelsea probably would've had a revamp of the whole defence.

Stepping up tactically is his primary responsibility. If he's poor in that sense then he's a poor coach, simple as that. Chelsea have a whole system that acquires players for them. They didn't need him for that. They needed him to set up the team correctly and get results, which he failed to do regardless of squad quality.
 
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He gave the youngsters experience when there wasn't much of a choice because of the ban. He somehow had people convinced that Jorginho and Rudiger weren't quality players. It was a mess.

He didn't do lasting damage because he got yanked out. Do you think those players would still be there if he was still there? With him in charge Chelsea probably would've had a revamp of the whole defence.

Stepping up tactically is his primary responsibility. If he's poor in that sense then he's a poor coach, simple as that. Chelsea have a whole system that acquires players for them. They didn't need him for that. They needed him to set up the team correctly and get results, which he failed to do regardless of squad quality.
Thing is that the results during the transfer ban where absolutely ok. I don't think he underarchieved, but getting into top 4 was absolutely a good result with the squad he had at that time. The mess started when he had trouble to integrate 200m+ worth of new signings.

And if you read my post you responded to in the beginning you see that I praised the board for sacking him at the right time.

So I do believe that Lampard could work well at some mid table club in the PL, he just was not ready (and I don't know if he will ever be) to challenge for titles.
 

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Youre giving him too much credit for the transfers. Chelsea were always going to spend money on players after the ban, in fact you could argue that money wasn't used all that wisely. Those are huge fees for depth.
Let’s use Football manager terms.

Mendy - ‘Key player’, best in the world on form currently.
Werner - ‘important first team player’, may not be as prolific as hoped but his all round game compliments our style.
Havertz - ‘important first team player’, hasn’t always clicked but has by no means been a failure and will surely get better and better.
Ziyech - ‘rotation’, up and down form but the talents there and for modern fees was by no means a waste of money.
Chilwell - ‘important first team player’, this season has been utterly terrific and easily the best LB in the league right now.
Silva - ‘important first team player’, age means nothing to this man, incredible player.

Shall we compare that to Oles record at United? Not a single one of them is anywhere near best in the league. Ronaldo was not an Ole signing, that was clearly something over his head.
 

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He gave the youngsters experience when there wasn't much of a choice because of the ban. He somehow had people convinced that Jorginho and Rudiger weren't quality players. It was a mess.

He didn't do lasting damage because he got yanked out. Do you think those players would still be there if he was still there? With him in charge Chelsea probably would've had a revamp of the whole defence.

Stepping up tactically is his primary responsibility. If he's poor in that sense then he's a poor coach, simple as that. Chelsea have a whole system that acquires players for them. They didn't need him for that. They needed him to set up the team correctly and get results, which he failed to do regardless of squad quality.
I'm sorry but the idea he had no choice wasn't true.

He could have kept Zappacosta instead of promoting Reece, given Mount's starting spot to Barkley and activated Higuain's option to buy instead of playing Tammy.

The only one you can argue he had no choice to include was Hudson Odoi but he already broke through under Sarri.
 

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I'm sorry but the idea he had no choice wasn't true.

He could have kept Zappacosta instead of promoting Reece, given Mount's starting spot to Barkley and activated Higuain's option to buy instead of playing Tammy.

The only one you can argue he had no choice to include was Hudson Odoi but he already broke through under Sarri.
Always remembered for giving chance to mount,Reece and made them starters for chelsea. With them as mainstay he won the top 4 spot to allow chelsea to buy some quality in market.

I doubt Werner,havertz,chilwell,Silva and Mendy were possible to sign without cl. So for that alone he is success in his stint despite his struggles to manage big squad towards end.
 

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Always remembered for giving chance to mount,Reece and made them starters for chelsea. With them as mainstay he won the top 4 spot to allow chelsea to buy some quality in market.

I doubt Werner,havertz,chilwell,Silva and Mendy were possible to sign without cl. So for that alone he is success in his stint despite his struggles to manage big squad towards end.
Lampard was exactly like Ole for us he did well with a decent squad but then when asked to improve the squad he did but then showed that he didn’t have the quality as a manager to use the talent.
Lampard I feel still can become a great manager but the job was too big at the time he needs more experience