Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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That Man City starting Xi In the cup cost more than £450 million. I ain't having no "b team" nonsense!
He could be a true 9 as well. Just needs to bulk up a little bit
My point exactly.
How can a man face his idol with Kepa in goal, unless he knew deep inside that the game didn't truly count?
We both made changes. We even had kepa in goal
United had Ferguson for so long, that there was much more stability at the club than at Chelsea or Liverpool, which translates to United's good CL runs coinciding with good league campaigns. So I think the point you mentioned about Tuchel only joining midseason is pretty important in that regard. It's not unreasonable to think they'd be doing better in the league if he had joined before the season started.
2012 was an obvious fluke for Chelsea, but 2005 was Benitez first year in charge for instance, and they finished better in the league the following year indicating an improving form. Not that this explains all of it, but I think having that continuity plays a part for why United have good league campaigns whenever they do well internationally. Besides, under Ferguson United did well in the league all the time, so of course whenever they did well internationally they also did well domestically. Since his departure both of those deteriorated.
Are Chelsea fans really trying to suggest City didn't play a much weaker side and they made numerous changes as well? 
Chelsea starting 11 was without 3 starters, Man City were without 6. Ziyech if fit is arguably in the starting 11.
Chelsea starting 11 was without 3 starters, Man City were without 6. Ziyech if fit is arguably in the starting 11.
No he's not.Are Chelsea fans really trying to suggest City didn't play a much weaker side and they made numerous changes as well?
Chelsea starting 11 was without 3 starters, Man City were without 6. Ziyech if fit is arguably in the starting 11.
You've got to be kidding if you honestly want to claim that this 11Are Chelsea fans really trying to suggest City didn't play a much weaker side and they made numerous changes as well?
Chelsea starting 11 was without 3 starters, Man City were without 6. Ziyech if fit is arguably in the starting 11.
Steffen, Cancelo, Dias, Laporte, Mendy, Rodrigo, Fernandinho, De Bruyne, Torres, Sterling, Jesus
is a "much weaker" side. Laughable stuff.
He's started 9 of the 24 games under Tuchel. Tuchel also confirmed he missed matches from Burnley(4 in total) as they can't burn him out or risk getting him injured again, couldn't even play 30 minutes.
So yeah there is a very strong valid case to suggest Ziyech would be a regular if his fitness is completely up to date.
Oh dear!
Imagine claiming a City side without regulars like Ederson, Stones, Walker, Gundogan, Foden, Silva and Mahrez is not much weaker. Deary me indeed.
you just pointed out not even half of the games under tuchel
hes not been injured for a while now
Tuchel on Ziyech: “Hakim has been in a bit of overload since five weeks so he has a bit of a risk of getting injured if he plays more than say 30 minutes. For that we decided to take a break now to go out of the risk zone. We decided this yesterday.” #CFC
You know more than your own manager then..
He would have started much more if fully fit, that is the whole point, no idea why you're struggling to grasp it tbh.
To be fair, no matter what starting Xi Pep would have decided to go with, the cost would probably be close to that, anyway.
youre still not showing why hes 1st choice
Every one of the players starting is just as much a regular as the ones you listed, with maybe the exception of Torres and Mendy.
That starting 11 cost more than half a billion in transfer fees. Just get the feck out, will you.
As for Ederson, both teams played their second goalie.
It's not about the recent spending. Chelsea and Man City are where they are entirely because of money. They have no history, no legacy of any sort. Prior to being bankrolled by Abramovic, Chelsea were at best a number 5/6 club in England and were nowhere near the champions league trophy. Mancity, prior to Abu Dhabi were nobody, so much so that Robinho did not even know they existed.
Teams like United, Liverpool, Bayern etc are built on success. They have a history in the UCL as well as in the domestic leagues. Big difference.
Point still correctly stands, those players missing made City much weaker. Absolute madness to suggest otherwise.
It's like claiming Bayern are not much weaker when the likes of Coman, Hernandez, Tolisso, Pavard, Hoffman and Costa start over the likes of Neuer, Davies, Gnabry, Kimmich, Goretzka etc
As much as Kepa has been a poor signing, give me him over Steffen every single day of the week. The GK was shocking for the goal, no surprise.
Ok, about Tuchel the admirer of Pep. Yes, he loved Pep's Barca. Yes, he has stated that during Pep's stint at Bayern every game was like a lesson for him. Yes, both are friends and spent many hours discussing tactics and ideas when Tuchel was unemployed after he left Mainz. And yes, in the first year as a coach of Dortmund Tuchel tried to mix Guardiola's ideas with the traditional Klopp play style and they had an extraordinary season playing great football. But after that Tuchel showed that he is very adaptable coach especially in his PSG stint. PSG never played like a fully Guardiola team nor for that matter Chelsea so far. He tries and plays formations and styles that are best suited to the qualities of his players. I expect more of the Guardiola blueprint on his Chelsea side next season but that depends on the transfers and the preseason.
It's still pretty close to a regular 11. City have a huge squad with players very close in quality, so rotating is normal. Steffen, Mendy and Torres are the only obvious weaker players. Playing both Fernandinho and Rodrigo together is odd, but individually they're both important so not really a matter of weaker players.
It is different, but at the end of the day, so what, really? We were rather lucky that we had Ferguson and that he was starting to win big just as the money became a lot bigger, which gave us a lot of financial power. The timing could not have been better for us, but what if it had gone differently?
Once the money got bigger, the clubs who weren't fortunate enough to enjoy it weren't left with too many options if they wanted to compete. So yeah, Chelsea, City, PSG - they got ahead through owners bankrolling them. I've no issue with that.
Agreed, as a fan of Tuchel from his Dortmund days, he really surprised me with his versatility at PSG and especially Chelsea.
He's definitely a lot more well rounded than I thought, although I do miss the super attacking football he played at Dortmund.
Pre 1965 Bayern had 2 trophies to their time in 65 years of existence (for context we had more in the decade pre Roman alone and the same amount as them at that point in time and we are 5 years younger than them). Did they hit a deadline we missed? It's quite ironic that people brand us plastics then judge who are "proper clubs" with "legacy" solely on trophy count which is bar nothing the most plastic thing of all.
He should have always been regarded as a very good manager. That was obvious from his days in Mainz on. He seems to have a difficult personality but his football was always very good.
Calling him „trash“ et al is just politics.
We never finished below 6th from 1996 to the time Roman bought us. We were 4pts off the league title if i remember rightly, got to quarter finals in 99-00 of the CL. Beating Barca home and losing away. We were a very good side in the yrs just prior to Abramovich, and its wrong to claim anything different. But you must have money to win in the modern era. And its just life. Liverpool would never have been half as successful as they were if not for the Moores family.
A striker and CB and we are set. Lot of talk last few days that Sancho is a big target now aswell. Suspect CHO may be off, or ziyech
Do we need another CB? We already have 4 currently that rotate in and out without much drop off. And with this system under Tuchel we could probably easily slot Tomori in if he feels we need another body. Plus there’s Ampadu still out there.
A lof of posters here owe Tuchel a huge apology. Best German manager since...Klopp.
Bitter nonsense from that guy
Spot on. It’s the Van Dijk-esque transformation in defensive performance compared to last year which demonstrates his quality. Obviously other factors play into that, but you can see how that defence needed a leader on the pitch to organise and shut out the gaps that were so evident previously. You only have to look at him for 5 minutes to see he reads the game and uses the ball better than just about anyone else in the league. Even at 36 he’s still comfortably in a top tier with Dias and Van Dijk.
One of the most impressive things about him is how good he is on the ball.
Definitely. With or without him they always spend more than the usual. If there was no financial fair play they would ruin football and people will stop watching it. Them, PSG and Chelsea. Real Madrid don’t spend that much nowadays they use what they get from selling their players.
No and we won’t get one either. Thiago will get an extension. Ampadu and the boy at Porto will be assessed in the summer and following summer and then we might get another. It’s fantasy football to suggest we have enough money for a clinical striker and extra for other areas. Especially as our CBs are so solid right now, best in the world.
STRIKER STRIKER STRIKER
That is the priority
That is the priority
He found the perfect formula for his Chelsea side. They are very hard to beat and they will give City something to think about. I think City has the better squad but Chelsea will fight them tooth and nail. Even though they are an English side and their champions league tally would become two should they win in the finals, I still cheered them against RM because of the simple fact that I thought that City would roast that Real Madrid side. Can Tuchel save the day?
Let's look at this 'weak' city side...
Steffen 12 apps - Not first choice
Cancelo 40 apps - First Choice
Dias 46 apps - First Choice
Laporte 26 apps - Mixed with Stones on 32 so both are first team players
Mendy 18 apps - Not first choice
Rodrigo - 49 apps - First Choice
Fernandinho - 33 apps - Bit behind Gundogan so not quite first choice
De Bruyne - 38 apps - 100% First Choice
Torres 32 apps - Slightly behind Mahrez so not quite first choice
Sterling 45 apps - First choice
Jesus 37 apps - most played striker
6 undeniable first choice and 3 who are very close. a combination of 376 appearances or an average of 34 per player...
Chelsea on the other hand have a total of 396 appearances or 36 per player...
Steffen 12 apps - Not first choice
Cancelo 40 apps - First Choice
Dias 46 apps - First Choice
Laporte 26 apps - Mixed with Stones on 32 so both are first team players
Mendy 18 apps - Not first choice
Rodrigo - 49 apps - First Choice
Fernandinho - 33 apps - Bit behind Gundogan so not quite first choice
De Bruyne - 38 apps - 100% First Choice
Torres 32 apps - Slightly behind Mahrez so not quite first choice
Sterling 45 apps - First choice
Jesus 37 apps - most played striker
6 undeniable first choice and 3 who are very close. a combination of 376 appearances or an average of 34 per player...
Chelsea on the other hand have a total of 396 appearances or 36 per player...
This guy eliminated us and I can't even be mad at him. He rocks, I hope he wins the CL.
Sarr was signed to make money, he wasnt signed to play games for the first team, im almost certain of that; and Ampadu will leave in all likelihood, probably another loan. Which i also think Gilmour needs. Silva has maybe another year in him, Zouma is being talked as being let go. It's why there is such strong talk around Kounde.
FFP is dead. It's more crazy to think we could not afford a CB and striker.
Hypothetically if Lukaku costs £90m, and Kounde 50, that's 140m. (guessing on the fees though) That's not a lot in the modern game, for a club like ourselves. Also, take into account who potentially could go
totally agree. All the noise around Aguero and Lukaku
Azpi will need to be replaced also. That will most likely be James, but that means we need a player to be his back-up. I am amazed at how much Tuchel has got out of Azpi, but his legs are gone and his position requires them.