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Chido Obi | 2024/25 Performances
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Yeah I'm just not sure we should be rushing this guy just because our other options are so hopeless.
Just give him plenty of chances, maybe even start him. We've seen what Hojlund and Zirkzee offers. His showing doesn't need to be spectacular, but we'll have something at least up top. Hojlund/Zirkzee won a combined 1/20 duels today.
The standard has been so low that is is almost impossible for him to be worse than Hojlund.
Give him a few games as a starter, or longer sub appearances, nothing to lose in the league.
Give him a few games as a starter, or longer sub appearances, nothing to lose in the league.
People need to be patient. He is talented but still young. Don't want his confidence shot from playing with these trash.
Unsurprisingly, he didn't look ready for this level.
Unfortunately, he still looked better than Hojlund.
Unfortunately, he still looked better than Hojlund.
Scary isn’t it
I thought he did ok. It looks like he can link play better than Hojlund.
Hojlund and Zirkzee cant score so lets give him more minutes and see how he fares..
Hojlund and Zirkzee cant score so lets give him more minutes and see how he fares..
He moves smoother than Hojlund. Let's start him and see how he does in duels.
Chido is raw, but Rasmus is still in the freezer.
He didn't do anything against Everton and his touch was pretty bad. Obviously he has talent but he has to be eased in slowly as he's still a young lad. Amorim is right not to throw him in at the deep end and I think we just need to have more patience with him
Was nice to see him on the pitch, looked like a proper Unit, so tall and those lanky legs. Looks very raw for sure, but hoping for the best.
Like others mentioned, it's so sad that he looked better than Rasmus. Honestly the guy needs to be not starting games, just atrocious on the pitch.
Like others mentioned, it's so sad that he looked better than Rasmus. Honestly the guy needs to be not starting games, just atrocious on the pitch.
Rasmus is still grazing in a field
My first impression is that it is still too early for first-team football. Especially when the team does not create any chances for the players in the number 9 position, and this player himself has to create all his chances.
Chidobi Wan Kenobi
He's nowhere near good enough. He's just a kid.
While I agree that he's just a kid, I'll still give him a couple of games to see if he settles. We already know what Rasmus is right now and he's had 52 epl games and scored 12 goals. 7 or so of those, coming in a streak. Which means outside that streak, he's scored 5 in 45!
Those are centre back numbers.
A young striker like Chido has to be better than a that.
Those are centre back numbers.
A young striker like Chido has to be better than a that.
I have watched a fair bit of him in the 'unders' and it's clear he's nowhere near ready for the PL.
At 'unders' level he gets away with so much because he's twice the size of most of the CBs he's facing. We will quickly see, once he's up against PL CBs, that his touch / hold-up play are currently miles off even Hojlund (who's touch and hold up play are virtually non-existant at the moment).
At 'unders' level he gets away with so much because he's twice the size of most of the CBs he's facing. We will quickly see, once he's up against PL CBs, that his touch / hold-up play are currently miles off even Hojlund (who's touch and hold up play are virtually non-existant at the moment).
He doesn't try to wrestle defenders though, he's smart enough to take a step or two forward to get on the ball instead of backing into them. More than his technique it's this that hinders Hojlund.
I haven't really seen him, but was surprised to hear he's come into the first team straight from the u18s rather than u21s. Two big gaps he's suddenly just jumped up
Yep, I am very surprised to see positives from that performance. It is clear that he is not ready for seniors. His touch, passing was all off it really.
As a club and as a fan base something odd has happened. We've skipped a generation of youth players.
The 20 year olds have almost been forgotten about and we've gone direct to the 17/18 year olds.
Really silly in my opinion.
There's certainly a lot of 20-24 year olds that, for one reason or another; have gone that you feel could easily still be in this squad - Kovar, Laird, Mengi, Kambwala, Fernandes, Oyedele, Hannibal, Pellistri, Garner, Elanga, Greenwood.
We've lost a decent generation of potential squad players there, with just Garnacho (and Collyer if you count him as our youth player) in that 20-24 group in the current squad.
Though of the current 19/20 year olds still at the club, not many leap out as being better or with a higher ceiling than many of the promising 16-18 year olds. Gore, but for his injuries, could have had a chance. And I've felt Ethan Williams should be closer to consideration than he seems. But I can also see why many aren't deemed close to PL level and why the more promising teenagers below that age group are being looked at instead.
In Obi's case, in the attacking department, I can see why the 19-21 year old strikers like Wheatley, Hugill, McNeill have been loaned out or released (and are struggling in the EFL). And why younger strikers like Obi and Biancheri might get any opportunities instead.
Is it really silly though? It's what the club has always done. Who is the last player to have played a substantial amount of u21s to make it into the 1st team? You have to go a long way back. The most common path has been - dominate U18s>very few U21s>1st team debut.
That might be the thinking, that the 17/18 year olds are just better.
But I'm not so sure. I don’t think any of them stand out as yet as nailed on. None of them have done anything at U21 level yet.
I didn't understand Hugill going back out on loan when we only really have one No.9 and he's struggling. Right now I think Hugill would be a better option that Obi.
When Gore is fit again, why send him back to Rotherham? By the time he's fit and back in the fold with them he'll probably get a handful of games. Meanwhile we have one CM who can run. He's 20, get him in the squad.
When people say "play the kids" they're forgetting about the 20 year olds. They're the kids.
Obi, Moorhouse etc are toddlers.
McTominay.
And only Greenwood has come through since him. Even Greenwood, far more talented than the current 17/18 year olds, spent more time in U21's.
Pogba, Lingard, Morrison all spent a good amount of time in U21's.
Garner now a Prem CM played loads for the U21's.
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Fair points, yeah. There's certainly a long way to go from impressing at U18 level to proving yourself first team standard.
There's only one year age difference between Gore and Moorhouse though, so wouldn't class Moorhouse as a toddler if Gore's ready for first team consideration (as you suggest) when back from injury.
It's a shame Gore's had such a wasted 12-15 months injury wise. Had he had his EFL loan(s) as intended, we'd have a much better idea by now about how close he really is. Certainly had good potential before all his injury issues.
The fact that we're having to play him and actually hoping that he's good enough to help us is a travesty. The quality/size of opposition he plays in the u18 is worlds apart. It would be surprising if he looked anything but raw.
I always think 12 months is a big deal at that age. Quite a bit of development takes place.
Think Obi is another year. Likely a much better player.
Ha, an apt description!
People forget, he's only recently turned 17, he's not 18 until November. He's tall but lanky, and hasn't filled out his frame.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not critiquing his ability in any way, shape or form. I am simply pointing out that Hojlund has struggled immensely, yet currently hes miles, miles ahead of Obi. It's not close.
Most people on here don't appreciate the gap between the 'unders' and the first team. The best 'unders' teams are roughly, roughly on par with a bad League Two club. Other 'unders' teams (i.e. opponents United unders face on a regular basis) would finish bottom or near the bottom of the Conference.
So you're asking a young lad who's basically been playing against inexperienced, immature lads, 99% of which won't make a career out of football, to go from that to play against the absolute best in the World. Elite CBs with year's of top flight and international experience.
This is something ive noticed myself and one of the issues that I think has affected us as a club even going back past the generation you mentioned to the Evans and company days. I never like to comment based on hindsight but it’s clear in this case.
As a club we’ve generally had success when we’ve had a core of squad players that are happy to rotate in when needed and put the team above themselves. Coming through the academy it was easier for some players to do this I feel and the list of players you’ve mentioned could have been that for this cycle of the team. However injuries and other factors prevented this and consistency in squad rotation and depth was affected.
On the failure to develop the current 20/21 year olds, for me it’s strategy and circumstance. No time to adapt to first team as to “risky” but then their not really tested at their current level. Need plan sufficiently for current under 18s for me.
Man Utd 1:1 Fulham
Good cameo and looked far more dangerous than Hojlund or Zirkzee
Looked dangerous. Finishing was erratic but composure will come in time
he's raw, give him time, showed some promise
Very promising. Looks like he has good positioning and very quick acceleration.
Also showed that a striker can actually get chances out of nothing.
Also showed that a striker can actually get chances out of nothing.
I like him, think he should get more minutes.