No. That was some Arsenal fan accounts being bitter and spreading that shite without any credible sources.
Romano even said some German clubs offered more than we did.
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No. That was some Arsenal fan accounts being bitter and spreading that shite without any credible sources.
Romano even said some German clubs offered more than we did.
Seemed too high to be true. Does anyone know his actual wage?
Damaging the youngster's development only, I agree if they're good enough they're old enough but there's a thin line between giving youngsters a chance and throwing them to the dogs.
When Amorim thinks he's ready I'm sure he'll get his chance.
if he is in form he should be thrown in at the end of games if we chasing (which happens more than I would like). SAF did it brilliantly and to good results. Still get shivers thinking about Adnan's finish
Adnan’s finish? Under Fergie?
Macheda probably.
They were training with first team, Chido is not currently. More chance of Moorehouse getting minutes than Chido at the moment.
Januzaj against Sunderland
Januzaj never played for Sir Alex
It is OK to try something new and I understand you guys don't advocate for him in the starting eleven. But ffs, if you watched him playing you would see that he is nowhere ready for serious football against grown ups. His only advantage at the moment is his size and speed in U18 competition. As soon as he is playing against U21, more developed lads, he is struggling. He is potential, but at the moment United has Wheatley and Biancheri who are both better developed strikers, and Hugill coming from loan, but all three of them are also far away from the level senior football, especially PL football requests. Macheda was extremely good player when he get a chances, capable to produce at U21 level, and even week before debut for United he scored hattrick for U23 at the moment. Rashford was the beast in youth setup, he trained with the first team for months before debut and get to the bench multipe times before getting debut when LVG did not have a single striker available beside him. But comparing Macheda and Rashford at those moments in terms of development with Chido is just a proof you did not watch them. He is nowhere near at the moment, very talented kid, but raw product at the moment that produce goals in U18 mostly because of his size and pace that is great for that age group, but not for even U21 at the moment. I would be happy if we give him a chance to develop in U21 for the next 5 months and see how will he adapt there.
I think the fact that Macheda's first name isn't Adnan is a much bigger stumbling block
He wasn’t training with the first team at Arsenal and we’ve had Lewis-Skelley at 16, Nwaneri at 15 and Dowman at 14 all take part in multiple senior sessions.
Chido is simply not at the level. Which isn’t a criticism, he’s still on an accelerated pathway. But being the record U18 scorer really isn’t that meaningful.
Chido is simply not at the level. Which isn’t a criticism, he’s still on an accelerated pathway. But being the record U18 scorer really isn’t that meaningful.
But Macheda's goal fits what he was saying.
Macheda was thrown on for a goal. Pretty sure Adnan started against Sunderland.
neither fit which is why we're guessing
Well look at mine as a correction then, because Adnan didn't play under Fergie and wasn't thrown on late to get a goal, which was the point of his post.
It would be utter madness to have him play even as a back up for the first time. Lets get the team working properly before we chug more kids in there.
I wish I was so confident in my guesses
I'm not guessing but backing up his point re Fergie throwing on young attackers when we needed goals. Mecheda was a key example of this! I doubt he was referring to Adnan unless he was trying to make a point of how Moyes trusted youngsters
I'm not guessing but backing up his point re Fergie throwing on young attackers when we needed goals. Mecheda was a key example of this! I doubt he was referring to Adnan unless he was trying to make a point of how Moyes trusted youngsters
I was only joking. He could have easily been mistaken about Adnan/Fergie, and easily mistaken about Macheda's first name. You're probably right though.
Based on what?
What I’ve seen of him so far and speaking to someone who knows a damn sight more than I do about him on the way home from the Spurs game recently.
What did he say and what have you seen so far?
Exactly my question. Kid's not even had a single kick of the ball at senior level and he's already written off. Don't understand the mentality, personally.
His performances for our youth teams.
He doesn’t stand out particularly and comes across as being freakishly big for his age, which he will lose in the coming years as the other, smaller boys also become young men.
If he was that good, he’d be playing every game for the u21s and doing well, and he isn’t. Generational talents, that some people seem to be insinuating that he might be, don’t really play youth football because they’re too good and this lad doesn’t even come close to that level of talent.
And the essentially said the above - he’ll fall away as he starts to play with people equally as strong or stronger than him. He’ll be a footballer but just not at a competitive United
Well that's that. We should sell up and cut our losses then
Maybe
Yeah. Exactly.
Not had a kick of a ball at senior level so we should definitely over-hype him instead. What could go wrong with that?
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
We do all want to believe we've got a future Balon D'Or winner in our ranks, but sometimes it's important to realise the chances of him actually even breaking into the first team and becoming a regular goalscorer in the PL are so slim.
That goes for any youth player.
Yeah. Kind of my point, although it seems posters are going to have a go at me for wanting to drop a player at the age of 17, which is categorically not what I mean.
We, as fans, and as a United collective tend to massively over-hype any of our youngsters and I just thought I’d add my two pennies worth.
Hope I’m wrong but he’s got a long way to go
Feel like this thread is just going round and round in circles with different versions of 'let's give him a chance in the first-team' and 'but x, y & z also scored tonnes of goals and turned out rubbish'.
Just let the kid play, he's only a first-year who's still probably trying to properly settle after moving across the country. Next season will be the important one for him.
Just let the kid play, he's only a first-year who's still probably trying to properly settle after moving across the country. Next season will be the important one for him.
The kid has just turned 17 and has barely been at the club having missed preseason. Settle down
Absolutely no issue with him not playing U21 football at this point. I'd imagine the plan was set out clearly that he'd be with the U18's this season.
I don't necessarily agree with the over-hypers either. There can be a middle-ground, where he turns out to be a very useful striker, who is neither a generational talent, or someone you ship out before they've even played a senior game.
Your point on him not being promoted through the unders early also assumes that every player's progression is linear and the same. So, your argument is basically based on the fact, he's a little taller than everyone else in his age group at the moment.
Amen.
I've got to be honest, I've had similar concerns, the bolded reason being the main issue for me. We've seen lots of players with various types of physical advantages at youth level struggle once they lose that advantage and I can see it happening with him. I like him and do think he has enough about him to hopefully work on his game to enough of an extent where he'll know he won't have the advantage forever, but it is very difficult to actually put that into practice. I'm sure the club will be aware of those concern and doing all they can to mould his game accordingly. We'll see.
It's a good point on the physical advantage but it does take more than size and power to score. From the little I've seen of him, he has technique and natural scoring ability.
I watched a Stretford Paddock video recently where a coach (RH elite coaching, has worked with a few pl level players including Bruno Fernandes) was talking about him, he did some work with him and he knows the levels required. His report was glowing, he effectively said that he has everything needed to be playing senior football.
In terms of the U-21s, maybe we're just taking our time with him, maybe he'll be playing U-21s sooner rather than later or could potentially just skip straight to the first team.
Remains to be seen whether he will fall away. As I said previously, I think it's worth taking the risk. We can't lose by giving him a chance, we can only gain. We won't find answers to the valid questions unless we give him a chance.
For a player who you can’t go a post without people talking about physical advantage, he never actually plays physically.
You’d think he was just throwing defenders around but the vast majority of his goals come having not made any contact with any defender.
He and Biancheri will be in the u21s more soon as Wheatley goes on loan.
You’d think he was just throwing defenders around but the vast majority of his goals come having not made any contact with any defender.
He and Biancheri will be in the u21s more soon as Wheatley goes on loan.
I think this partly because of his physical advantage. He's not just big, he's strong and fast too. He leaves defenders for dust in a foot race and they're generally scared to get touch tight because that's an obvious losing battle.
However, aside from his physique, he is also a deadly finisher. Give a sniff at goal and he tucks them away very reliably. I just don't know if he'd actually be able to engineer sufficient chances in the PL. But I'm saying just that - I don't know. He very well could do. He certainly nowhere near ready to first team football yet, though. Even U21 is a decent test for him at the moment.
Yeah his strength so far along with his finishing has been creating space and angles for himself to shoot. Much more technically stable then someone like Wheatley.
This thread is hilarious as the U18s/21s hasn't played for nearly a month and he's not really on first team training yet. There is almost zero reason to speak about Chibo. Seems like only the people from the main who has almost never seen him playing a full live game would want him to get first team minutes already. Give the kid a break. The club won't sacrifice player's development to satisfy your craze of dopamine.
U18 player written off.... The CAF never fails to entertain