Christopher Nkunku | Ornstein: Signed pre-contract to join Chelsea

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Like chasing a midfield all summer who didn’t ever want to join you? Interesting
Or signing Eriksen and playing him away from his best position!
 

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Well this thread seems strange …

1. Pre purchases are done all the time. Why they are releasing so much on this one I don’t know, but there still is t an official statement.

2.You guys need to learn how money works. Unlike paupers, Clearlake borrows all its money from itself. They could pay ALL their transfers up front in one sum if they wanted to. Then they can structure how they did that any way they want in terms of actual accounting and FFP because they have an auxiliary banking system THEY own and control.They pick and choose when to do this, or hold back as a negotiating tool. They aren’t “suckers”, they are using something that is difficult and costly for other groups, but essentially free for them, to pick and choose the type of leverage they need. They have proven already to be one of the best owner groups on the planet already WITHOUT having an advantage like this, so …..

3. Nkunku isnt badly hurt, and it is t the type of injury, like a previously mentioned ACL, which makes you more prone to future injury.

We have been pretty lucky in that respect all around: Fofanas issue should heal fine. James’ LCL is not a long term issue since the knee wasn’t dislocated, and Nkunku (if we get him) should be training again by January.

I see a TON of wishful thinking here because people can do the basic math: City is a power, the structure is in place. If They don’t reign them in, Newcastle could be solidly top 4 in the very near future. Liverpool is going to be bought by an extremely rich group, and will still be part of a multi club power system. If Stan Kroenke wants to he can keep up spending with anyone. His son is particularly aggressive, and you have seen the “cheap” Moniker start to fall away from a lot of their teams. The Walton clan hide a lot of their true wealth, but it would be accurate to say Kroenke has employees that make more than the Glazers.

Chelsea have hired 4 or 5 of the best footballing minds on the planet recently to start completing what has been a massive hiring process to restructure everything about the club. Their mousepads aren’t even in their offices yet, and people are acting like Boehly will make every footballing decision for the club. Woodward was hired to run your club; Boehly is an owner who hires people to do that. And zero people think guys like Shields , Vivell et al are not excellent choices.

Our structure will work similar to City’s. As they have been leaking to people like Romano in the last week, they have made their decisions in hiring, even with Potter, with a very long term project in mind. And they had similar projects, with similar starts, where they stood by their choice and grew the team; so no reason to think they aren’t being completely up front. This is what they do.
 

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Well this thread seems strange …

1. Pre purchases are done all the time. Why they are releasing so much on this one I don’t know, but there still is t an official statement.

2.You guys need to learn how money works. Unlike paupers, Clearlake borrows all its money from itself. They could pay ALL their transfers up front in one sum if they wanted to. Then they can structure how they did that any way they want in terms of actual accounting and FFP because they have an auxiliary banking system THEY own and control.They pick and choose when to do this, or hold back as a negotiating tool. They aren’t “suckers”, they are using something that is difficult and costly for other groups, but essentially free for them, to pick and choose the type of leverage they need. They have proven already to be one of the best owner groups on the planet already WITHOUT having an advantage like this, so …..

3. Nkunku isnt badly hurt, and it is t the type of injury, like a previously mentioned ACL, which makes you more prone to future injury.

We have been pretty lucky in that respect all around: Fofanas issue should heal fine. James’ LCL is not a long term issue since the knee wasn’t dislocated, and Nkunku (if we get him) should be training again by January.

I see a TON of wishful thinking here because people can do the basic math: City is a power, the structure is in place. If They don’t reign them in, Newcastle could be solidly top 4 in the very near future. Liverpool is going to be bought by an extremely rich group, and will still be part of a multi club power system. If Stan Kroenke wants to he can keep up spending with anyone. His son is particularly aggressive, and you have seen the “cheap” Moniker start to fall away from a lot of their teams. The Walton clan hide a lot of their true wealth, but it would be accurate to say Kroenke has employees that make more than the Glazers.

Chelsea have hired 4 or 5 of the best footballing minds on the planet recently to start completing what has been a massive hiring process to restructure everything about the club. Their mousepads aren’t even in their offices yet, and people are acting like Boehly will make every footballing decision for the club. Woodward was hired to run your club; Boehly is an owner who hires people to do that. And zero people think guys like Shields , Vivell et al are not excellent choices.

Our structure will work similar to City’s. As they have been leaking to people like Romano in the last week, they have made their decisions in hiring, even with Potter, with a very long term project in mind. And they had similar projects, with similar starts, where they stood by their choice and grew the team; so no reason to think they aren’t being completely up front. This is what they do.
I know its still early days of Clearlake's ownership, but during the sale period there was so much media reports from people who knew Boehly saying that he will turn out to be a very good part of the ownership. And i do think that you may even see this ownership group outspend Roman.
 

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So you are sticking to a back 5, then? Because Fofana, Koulibaly, Chalobah, Colwill, and Gvardiol for a back 4 is a bit mental. If it's a back 5 you can add Cucurella too, which is 6 players. Seems excessive. Not convinced you'll go for Gvardiol.
Gvardiol is a LCB is he not? Cucurella wont be used there should he arrive. Silva will be a year older. Colwill likely another loan. Whether we get Gvardiol im not sure, but there will be another CB in all likelihood
 

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Well this thread seems strange …

1. Pre purchases are done all the time. Why they are releasing so much on this one I don’t know, but there still is t an official statement.

2.You guys need to learn how money works. Unlike paupers, Clearlake borrows all its money from itself. They could pay ALL their transfers up front in one sum if they wanted to. Then they can structure how they did that any way they want in terms of actual accounting and FFP because they have an auxiliary banking system THEY own and control.They pick and choose when to do this, or hold back as a negotiating tool. They aren’t “suckers”, they are using something that is difficult and costly for other groups, but essentially free for them, to pick and choose the type of leverage they need. They have proven already to be one of the best owner groups on the planet already WITHOUT having an advantage like this, so …..

3. Nkunku isnt badly hurt, and it is t the type of injury, like a previously mentioned ACL, which makes you more prone to future injury.

We have been pretty lucky in that respect all around: Fofanas issue should heal fine. James’ LCL is not a long term issue since the knee wasn’t dislocated, and Nkunku (if we get him) should be training again by January.

I see a TON of wishful thinking here because people can do the basic math: City is a power, the structure is in place. If They don’t reign them in, Newcastle could be solidly top 4 in the very near future. Liverpool is going to be bought by an extremely rich group, and will still be part of a multi club power system. If Stan Kroenke wants to he can keep up spending with anyone. His son is particularly aggressive, and you have seen the “cheap” Moniker start to fall away from a lot of their teams. The Walton clan hide a lot of their true wealth, but it would be accurate to say Kroenke has employees that make more than the Glazers.

Chelsea have hired 4 or 5 of the best footballing minds on the planet recently to start completing what has been a massive hiring process to restructure everything about the club. Their mousepads aren’t even in their offices yet, and people are acting like Boehly will make every footballing decision for the club. Woodward was hired to run your club; Boehly is an owner who hires people to do that. And zero people think guys like Shields , Vivell et al are not excellent choices.

Our structure will work similar to City’s. As they have been leaking to people like Romano in the last week, they have made their decisions in hiring, even with Potter, with a very long term project in mind. And they had similar projects, with similar starts, where they stood by their choice and grew the team; so no reason to think they aren’t being completely up front. This is what they do.
He’s torn his LCL and will be injured for at least 10 weeks.

Another early medical Clearlake masterclass!
 

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Another bad transfer by Chelsea, he won't cut it in the Premier League.
It's too early to judge there have been a few examples of attacking players who have transitioned well like Son and Haaland. For the overall recent majority however the Bundesliga to the Premier League has produced most commonly a feeling of disappointment.
 

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Clubs do deals all the time outside of windows. It’s a bit naiive to think clubs do everything inside a transfer window.
22nd November seems a bit early to me, especially after the money they spend a few months ago...smacks of a giddy owner just buying new toys to me.
 

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22nd November seems a bit early to me, especially after the money they spend a few months ago...smacks of a giddy owner just buying new toys to me.
Chelsea already wanted Nkunku last summer but Leipzig weren't willing to sell and the player himself was willing to stay another season there as well so it didn't happen. He signed an extension with a release clause for the summer of 2023 with a view of getting his transfer then.

Now if the player's been identified by the club early and there is interest from both parties to make it happen doesn't it make sense to try and lock it down ASAP? He also started this season really well (17 goals in 23 games) so chances are there'd be a bidding war for him next year if we wait too long to finalize it. And by bidding war I mean on the personal terms front, not the money being paid to RB Leipzig.

Also, what does the money spent in the transfer window of last summer have anything to do with this? It's not like we signed a ton of forwards in the same position and are continuing to splash the cash just for shits and giggles,. There are still very obvious holes in our forward areas that we need to fill in the coming windows and we signed Aubameyang as a stopgap because our long-term targets (Nkunku, Rafael Leao) weren't available last summer.

I admit there's definitely an element of risk buying a player early in case he gets a terrible injury before actually joining but then again there are also risks in not buying him early because chances are we could end up missing out on him altogether.
 
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