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Bloody hell how overrated english players are. I know it is based on age, but Sancho is not that good. Sterling has been poor this season too. Rashford is up and down. Tammy got one good season.
I know it is based on the age, but there is probably big talents out there not on this list.

Give me Messi for two years over Sterling for 10. Or Neymar over Sancho. Or KDB over them all for the value he was at. Pogba pretty low too. You are never going to be able to buy the players for these costs though except the overrated ones.
 

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Its age + contract length, those who have just signed long term contracts get instant boost.
 

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Wow. No Real Madrid players.
 

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It takes into account

• Activity in clubs and national teams
• Club and national team results
• Age
• Position
League of employment
• Economic level of the releasing club

The highlighted being key in how high English players are rated I'd guess.

Richarlison/Tammy Abraham worth more than Neymar :houllier:
Judging from the criteria I'd guess he's an outlier because of the league he plays in and the size of transfers from that league historically.
 
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Neymar - £100m... worth a punt!

In general the list seems well measured. Pogba should be in there, Lukuku clearly should not.

for those of you bashing English players, you should note that most of the richest clubs are English, and the money runs deep in the PL, unlike in France, Germany, Italy or Spain who have 3 or less rich teams.

The likes of West Ham and Everton will be in the top 30 richest clubs in the world, which ergo will increase the cost of buying players of that country.

Barcelona can easily go and buy players off of the 5th or 6th club in Spain. City or Liverpool can’t easily (or cheaply) pick up players from the 5th or 6th club in England. Just look at Bayern, their feeder club has traditionally been Dortmund that doesn’t happen here.

the EPL has 9 or the top 20 richest clubs in the world according to Deloitte. The previous year it was 10/20.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/richest-football-clubs-in-the-world-2019-1
 

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Bloody hell how overrated english players are. I know it is based on age, but Sancho is not that good. Sterling has been poor this season too. Rashford is up and down. Tammy got one good season.
I know it is based on the age, but there is probably big talents out there not on this list.

Give me Messi for two years over Sterling for 10. Or Neymar over Sancho. Or KDB over them all for the value he was at. Pogba pretty low too. You are never going to be able to buy the players for these costs though except the overrated ones.
To be fair to Sancho, he's been pretty spectacular. 9 goals and 9 assists in the bundesliga in 15 games is superb for any player let alone a 19 year old! That's a goal or assist every 65 minutes in a top league.
 

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To be fair to Sancho, he's been pretty spectacular. 9 goals and 9 assists in the bundesliga in 15 games is superb for any player let alone a 19 year old! That's a goal or assist every 65 minutes in a top league.
Yeah he is good, but whenever I have seen him in the national side players like Rashford and even Lingard (last spring) looked better.
He can obviously get much better with time and he is probably better now already.
 

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Neymar seems incredibly low, even if he plays in France. Also, where is KDB? He's one of the best in the world, has a long contract and plays for City?
 

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People still don't get that the CIES isn't worth their time?
 

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He's 32 and is still a truly wonderful player...

Ask any club whether they'd rather have Messi for 3 years now, or Rashford for 10 and the answer will be pretty unanimous ;)
I was joking, to be fair, but Marcus does have more goals in all competitions. :D
 

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I want to see the faces of the respective management if anyone offers 100m for Lautaro Martinez, Tammy Abraham, Werner or Jesus. They'd have a great laugh and call the loony bin. :lol:
 

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I have a system as well it takes the player age and rating as well as the club they're playing for and produces a value. Bare in mind, this data is for a Football Manager type game so it's not based on real life valuation, but the top 25 list isn't too bad. The player rating and therefore value gets evaluated 3 times a season. The most notable admission in my list is Mbappe, who is 93 rated and his value at £45.5m, players in Ligue 1 tend to have lower valuations due to their League Score being fairly low in comparison to the other top leagues.

Player NameClubRatingValue
Raheem Sterling​
Manchester City​
96​
£ 75,448,000​
Lionel Messi​
FC Barcelona​
98​
£ 72,742,000​
Jan Oblak​
Atlético Madrid​
96​
£ 67,508,000​
Mohamed Salah​
Liverpool FC​
96​
£ 65,680,000​
Sadio Mané​
Liverpool FC​
96​
£ 65,205,000​
Robert Lewandowski​
Bayern Munich​
97​
£ 62,963,000​
Antoine Griezmann​
FC Barcelona​
96​
£ 61,875,000​
José Giménez​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 60,131,000​
Saúl Ñíguez​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 59,759,000​
Luis Suárez​
FC Barcelona​
97​
£ 56,906,000​
Ederson​
Manchester City​
95​
£ 56,805,000​
Harry Kane​
Tottenham Hotspur​
95​
£ 54,765,000​
Alisson​
Liverpool FC​
95​
£ 53,944,000​
Philippe Coutinho​
FC Barcelona​
95​
£ 53,721,000​
Marc-André ter Stegen​
FC Barcelona​
95​
£ 53,349,000​
Rodri​
Manchester City​
94​
£ 52,535,000​
Kingsley Coman​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 52,112,000​
Lucas Hernández​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 51,236,000​
Koke​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 51,190,000​
Roberto Firmino​
Liverpool FC​
95​
£ 50,964,000​
Clément Lenglet​
FC Barcelona​
94​
£ 50,803,000​
Neymar​
Paris Saint-Germain​
95​
£ 50,385,000​
Kevin De Bruyne​
Manchester City​
95​
£ 50,099,000​
Karim Benzema​
Real Madrid​
96​
£ 49,243,000​
Joshua Kimmich​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 48,898,000​
 

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you are displaying a level of naivety in your post if you believe this. To dismiss age as a factor in determining value of a player is beyond ridiculous.
I don't dismiss it as a factor - I'd rather have Rashford than Zlatan, for example, despite Zlatan being a superior footballer.

But Messi at 32 below Rashford (and also Kane)? Nah, sorry, not having that.

As I said - ask any unbiased fan (or club owner) whether they'd want Messi now for 3 years, or have Rashford for 10.
 

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De Bruyne is not even in the list, lets buy him cheap!
 

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These CIES valuations have always been a bit shit. I cringe every time people/journalists treat them like facts and I think they are sometimes a bit too conservative on youngsters, but I think transfermarkt's numbers are usually a lot closer to reality.
 

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These CIES valuations have always been a bit shit. I cringe every time people/journalists treat them like facts, but I think transfermarkt's numbers are usually a lot closer to reality.
Well, the issue is that they tend to overstate a players value based on very, very little playing time. Abraham doesn't even have 2,000mins in the Premier League and somehow he's top 20 most valuable player in the world? Bizarre.
 

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Well, the issue is that they tend to overstate a players value based on very, very little playing time. Abraham doesn't even have 2,000mins in the Premier League and somehow he's top 20 most valuable player in the world? Bizarre.
Welcome to the internet where non sense rankings get loads of clicks because we can't help but be interested in what they have to say and then brag or moan about the rankings to our mates.
 

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These CIES valuations have always been a bit shit. I cringe every time people/journalists treat them like facts and I think they are sometimes a bit too conservative on youngsters, but I think transfermarkt's numbers are usually a lot closer to reality.
They look more sensible indeed. It’s a really goodsite overall.
 

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I have a system as well it takes the player age and rating as well as the club they're playing for and produces a value. Bare in mind, this data is for a Football Manager type game so it's not based on real life valuation, but the top 25 list isn't too bad. The player rating and therefore value gets evaluated 3 times a season. The most notable admission in my list is Mbappe, who is 93 rated and his value at £45.5m, players in Ligue 1 tend to have lower valuations due to their League Score being fairly low in comparison to the other top leagues.

Player NameClubRatingValue
Raheem Sterling​
Manchester City​
96​
£ 75,448,000​
Lionel Messi​
FC Barcelona​
98​
£ 72,742,000​
Jan Oblak​
Atlético Madrid​
96​
£ 67,508,000​
Mohamed Salah​
Liverpool FC​
96​
£ 65,680,000​
Sadio Mané​
Liverpool FC​
96​
£ 65,205,000​
Robert Lewandowski​
Bayern Munich​
97​
£ 62,963,000​
Antoine Griezmann​
FC Barcelona​
96​
£ 61,875,000​
José Giménez​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 60,131,000​
Saúl Ñíguez​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 59,759,000​
Luis Suárez​
FC Barcelona​
97​
£ 56,906,000​
Ederson​
Manchester City​
95​
£ 56,805,000​
Harry Kane​
Tottenham Hotspur​
95​
£ 54,765,000​
Alisson​
Liverpool FC​
95​
£ 53,944,000​
Philippe Coutinho​
FC Barcelona​
95​
£ 53,721,000​
Marc-André ter Stegen​
FC Barcelona​
95​
£ 53,349,000​
Rodri​
Manchester City​
94​
£ 52,535,000​
Kingsley Coman​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 52,112,000​
Lucas Hernández​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 51,236,000​
Koke​
Atlético Madrid​
95​
£ 51,190,000​
Roberto Firmino​
Liverpool FC​
95​
£ 50,964,000​
Clément Lenglet​
FC Barcelona​
94​
£ 50,803,000​
Neymar​
Paris Saint-Germain​
95​
£ 50,385,000​
Kevin De Bruyne​
Manchester City​
95​
£ 50,099,000​
Karim Benzema​
Real Madrid​
96​
£ 49,243,000​
Joshua Kimmich​
Bayern Munich​
94​
£ 48,898,000​
Yeah, if your system values Benzema over Mbappe (yours), or Rashford (who I do rate highly) over Neymar (CIES) it’s probably got some serious structural faults in your system.
 

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Rashford worth more than Lionel Messi makes the list utterly laughable - age or not.
Yeah because 6 seasons of Rashford and then selling him as a 28 year old at the peak of his career isn’t a better prospect than signing a player who will be retiring in 2 or 3 seasons time.
 

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Yeah, if your system values Benzema over Mbappe (yours), or Rashford (who I do rate highly) over Neymar (CIES) it’s probably got some serious structural faults in your system.
There are generally at list a couple of key problems, the determination of substitutability and the emotional link that a player may have with his club, neither of these things are easy to determine. But if you look at the CIES ranking, at least one player shows how bad their model is, that's Gabriel Jesus, he is easily replaceable and arguably easily upgradeable by players that are below him in the same ranking.
 

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Yeah, if your system values Benzema over Mbappe (yours), or Rashford (who I do rate highly) over Neymar (CIES) it’s probably got some serious structural faults in your system.
Benzema has been in superb form in the best league in Europe. While Mbappe is playing in Ligue 1 which is rated 5th best league. Mbappe would be top 5 if he played in a better league tbh.

Agreed about Rashford though, he's clearly a good player (he's rated 93 in my system which is joint highest for a United player) but he's clearly shouldn't be valued higher that Neymar, although hi stock has fallen since his Barcelona days imo.
 

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These valuations are terrible, just terrible. Go back to the stock market lads or find another job.
 

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Lingard should be pretty high with these english attackers favorable metrics too. Can't find him though.
 

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???

he’s City’s top scorer and tied in goals with Mane
Just look how many chances and oppertunnities he waste though. I know he started well with 5 goals in the first 3 games, but after that he has been pretty poor. He missed two penalties against Wolves too, but got lucky VAR helped him and that he could score the rebound on the second.
If Rashford played for City instead he would have 15 at least in that role.
 

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They look more sensible indeed. It’s a really goodsite overall.
Yeah, I like the site a lot, not necessarily for their valuations, but for their stats keeping. Unfortunately they've been bought by Springer, the publisher behind Bild, a while back.