This isn’t a legal hearing right? Even if they’re found not guilty, the PL can still turn round and tell city to go feck themselves.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Hope they bang 'em all up in Strangeways. Personally, I'd bring back hanging for them.
A lot of the evidence of their wrongdoing is in the public domain so with a bit of knowledge of financial matters, one can easily see their guilt and despite St Pep's protestations, Uefa could not bring the conviction due to their own regulations and the 'evidence' being time-barred.
My issue is that, if found guilty the process of appeals will last for years so 115 are probably already geared up to and assigned funds to fighting this for years, so us fans perhaps wont see justice being served for several years.
My issue is that, if found guilty the process of appeals will last for years so 115 are probably already geared up to and assigned funds to fighting this for years, so us fans perhaps wont see justice being served for several years.
Kind of. They are factually guilty of some of the more minor charges like not providing certain paperwork when asked. And could easily be punished for dragging out the whole process.
End of the month, my arse.
Any judgement will be appealed to CAS and the can will be kicked down the road for another 2 years.
I don't think it can be appealed to CAS?
Thats just the sponsorship case, that's already been held.
Been reading up a 30pt deduction is the most likely punishment if found guilty.
End of the month? I thought the verdict was January
Every season since they started this shit, yeah? I could roll with that
Not the same case, they have been in arbitration with the PL as they think the sponsorship rules discriminate against them.
feck. That’s way too lenient a punishment.
Oh FFS.
"Sources have suggested that the hearing went well for City's legal team"
FECK OFF! You just fecking knew it.
Who says that? I think that seems too light.
It's about the sponsorship case not the 115 charges. Bit of a shit/misleading headline to be honest.
Expect lots of PR spin from Abu Dhabi FC over the next weeks and months. Sky were reporting earlier that the results would be announced in the spring, but I'm guessing the length of the hearing will depend a lot upon how open city are with their finances... So yeah, expect this to also drag on.
This is what is due at the end of the month, not a verdict on 115 charges.
They absolutely cannot get away with it not least because some of the charges are related to City being uncooperative. They'll be able to prove that.
They'll get at least some if not most of the charges being found guilty.
They'll get at least some if not most of the charges being found guilty.
Yup the PL is the 20 clubs, so they'll all be footing the bill.
Verdict on sponsorship rules that would apply going forward?
Pay 100k to PL as fine and say sorry.
This is the "tyranny of the majority" case for lack of a better word.
Word is that along with Villa and Newcastle, United also were on Cities side in the end as Ratcliffe is worried about over regulation No idea how true it is though just a rumor I read in a City group.
Its important to note this will effect sponsorships going forward and won't apply to the charges.
Basically -
City "If you change the regulations again, we'll sue"
PL changes the rules
City - Sues
Villa, Newcastle back City.
United change owners
Change of stance at United
City have support in the hearing.
Mind you the word is "some" successes, and there was a lot on the agenda.
Not a chance they get relegated. They all buzz of pep and that small team.
Imagine after all this its just a 30 points deduction and it just results in Liverpool or Arsenal winning the league, then next season its back to business as usual 
all hope for the PL would be dead.
all hope for the PL would be dead.Is the 30 point deduction a punishment for the sponsorship hearing that concludes this month? Or is that the likely penalty for the 115 charges?
A few small time reports. Probably rumours. But if Everton and forest only had a few points deducted then city will obviously get a lot worse. Just can’t see them getting relegated, who are the media going to rave about then?
I wonder if any of independents panel are paranoid that they are being followed home. Defo won’t be intimidated by an institution that’s pumped billions into a sports washing jewel and is angry at “the tyranny of the majority”…
Still can’t believe that was one of cities pity party statement. Proper dictator speak that….. But I’m sure they are doing everything by the book….
Still can’t believe that was one of cities pity party statement. Proper dictator speak that….. But I’m sure they are doing everything by the book….
Serie A werent afraid to dump their biggest clubs into Serie B. Not a chance in hell the EPL would want anything other then optical punishment and normal service as soon as possible.
About fecking time.
Absolutely over the nauseating City "love in" in the media and punditry. I'm guessing they can't say anything for legal reasons, but it's been absolutely sickening knowing all this is going on and watching everyone just brush it under the carpet every single year.
Rotten, evil little club. Kick them out of the league and don't allow them back in until they work their way up legitimately from the bottom, and their owners feck off.
Absolutely over the nauseating City "love in" in the media and punditry. I'm guessing they can't say anything for legal reasons, but it's been absolutely sickening knowing all this is going on and watching everyone just brush it under the carpet every single year.
Rotten, evil little club. Kick them out of the league and don't allow them back in until they work their way up legitimately from the bottom, and their owners feck off.
They cannot appeal to CAS.
If 115 charges of fraud etc results in 30 points, then I'd feel aggrieved as an Everton, Forest fan etc
30 points would also suggest that a team like Newcastle could have a massive blowout, spend obscene amounts of money, take the punishment, but long term, have progressed much quicker than they're doing now.
30 points would be a free ticket for teams like Chelsea etc to say feck it, one hampered season to hopefully build a foundation for years to come would be worth it
30 points would also suggest that a team like Newcastle could have a massive blowout, spend obscene amounts of money, take the punishment, but long term, have progressed much quicker than they're doing now.
30 points would be a free ticket for teams like Chelsea etc to say feck it, one hampered season to hopefully build a foundation for years to come would be worth it
They'll get off with most of it.
I know it
You know it.
They know it.
Be great craic if they got nailed to the wall, still.
Even without the 115 charges and other investigations into their wrongdoing, nobody should be waxing lyrical about city.
They're an advert for an abusive dictatorship. From a strictly sporting perspective, they've won because of money they did not earn.
Other than being shit for an aeon, and (for many) not being us, is there any redeeming quality to such a package?
I know it
You know it.
They know it.
Be great craic if they got nailed to the wall, still.
Even without the 115 charges and other investigations into their wrongdoing, nobody should be waxing lyrical about city.
They're an advert for an abusive dictatorship. From a strictly sporting perspective, they've won because of money they did not earn.
Other than being shit for an aeon, and (for many) not being us, is there any redeeming quality to such a package?
While i can easily understand that certain clubs, like Newcastle, would love a rule change where they can pretty much invent whatever inflated sponsorship agreement they prefer, but i fail to see how it's in Ratcliffe's and our interest to side with them on the basis of "fear of over regulation". Makes zero sense.
Luton had a 30 point deduction a decade or so ago.
And they'd not led the league on a 15 year merry dance refusing to comply with requests for info, let alone the real stuff.
And they'd not led the league on a 15 year merry dance refusing to comply with requests for info, let alone the real stuff.
They'll probably get hit pretty hard, but will appeal, and most if not everything will go away, as always.
Seems like these big cases always get watered down in appeals.
Seems like these big cases always get watered down in appeals.
Pretty sure there’s no appeal function available to them following this.
This might be the Chance for the EPL to relegate them and let them take their legal case to sue the PL into a new legal direction.
If relegated and found guilty the other 19 and other teams now in the Championship and league 1 could counter sue City for loss of revenue as they, Ciry had an unfair sporting advantage, they have the best legal team however if they are bang to rights with Certain charges and the pL have a witness like YA YA Toure, they might have wished they bought him that birthday cake?