City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

Hard to see anything significant happening. The reality is the average fan seems to be completely okay with a foreign state owning them (see City, Newcastle whose fans now are chainsaw enthusiasts, the hard-ons many on here had for Qatar) and injecting money from outside football into it.

But it is also wider than that, the players seem to be fine with it too, FIFA seems to be loving it (stay tuned for the women’s World Cup in Saudi), La Liga playing the super cup in Riyadh, etc. Other sports are at it too (e.g WTA)

This is focusing on football, but there is even a wider ongoing sale of businesses, properties, and assets in Europe to the highest bidder worldwide (which mostly ends up being one of the gulf countries or some American PE firm).

Short term gains are the name of the game; the hell with the wider picture or the long term repercussions of all your institutions and assets being foreign owned.
 
Hard to see anything significant happening. The reality is the average fan seems to be completely okay with a foreign state owning them (see City, Newcastle whose fans now are chainsaw enthusiasts, the hard-ons many on here had for Qatar) and injecting money from outside football into it.

But it is also wider than that, the players seem to be fine with it too, FIFA seems to be loving it (stay tuned for the women’s World Cup in Saudi), La Liga playing the super cup in Riyadh, etc. Other sports are at it too (e.g WTA)

This is focusing on football, but there is even a wider ongoing sale of businesses, properties, and assets in Europe to the highest bidder worldwide (which mostly ends up being one of the gulf countries or some American PE firm).

Short term gains are the name of the game; the hell with the wider picture or the long term repercussions of all your institutions and assets being foreign owned.
Bravo! Well said.
 
I still fail to see how it will be just a financial punishment when other teams are being docked points for far lesser offences. Also what's the point in a financial punishment anyway? It'll be pocket change to those bastards.
 
Just a casual £200m spent by them in Jan. Alright for some.
 
I still fail to see how it will be just a financial punishment when other teams are being docked points for far lesser offences. Also what's the point in a financial punishment anyway? It'll be pocket change to those bastards.
Their plan from day 1 was to delay and simply not cooperate, given where all the sponsor funds originate the PL can't really go and get any proof of it. I think their plan is literally to stonewall and essentially say they can't find or can't provide for political reasons as much as possible to the point nothing can be definitively proven. So they get a shit load of fines, which would cripple a normal club, but their sponsors just eat it.
 
I still fail to see how it will be just a financial punishment when other teams are being docked points for far lesser offences. Also what's the point in a financial punishment anyway? It'll be pocket change to those bastards.

Why not? Its quite obvious that it will be a financial punishment.

The Premier League are not looking at fair play or anything like that, they are looking at the product.

City getting punished via points opens them up to high profile court cases back and forth where the PL is tarnished. Compare that to a £20/30m fine, which would mean money in the pocket for the PL teams.

Man City and PL have actually pulled a blinder here, PL get paid, City get away with cheating, by doing exactly what they been doing for years, paying their way out of trouble. Its exactly how top level businesses in the Middle East work.

The best bit is, the cost of this is to be paid by other PL clubs, as the legal fees for this case is funded by the revenue TV rights for 19 other PL clubs.

They punished Everton, Forrest and the like to send a small statement to say.... cheating is not allowed unless you have deep pockets to pay of the PL.
 
I didn't realize shareholder loans were banned recently. Wouldn't this put an end to the idea that many posters had been bringing up of INEOS refinancing our debt through internal loans?
 
can't they just be kicked and told to feck off and go form their own league with the rest of the "City Group" clubs where they can sponsor themselves to their hearts content?

Just feck off
 
can't they just be kicked and told to feck off and go form their own league with the rest of the "City Group" clubs where they can sponsor themselves to their hearts content?

Just feck off

No they can't. City are too rich for the PL to do anything to them. They have too much political influence for a body like PL to touch them.

Like most organizations, the PL only care about their bottom line.
 
No they can't. City are too rich for the PL to do anything to them. They have too much political influence for a body like PL to touch them.

Like most organizations, the PL only care about their bottom line.
How dare they try and punish the mighty Manchester City.
 
How dare they try and punish the mighty Manchester City.

It is pretty obvious that it doesn't have anything to do with the name of the club, the size of the club rather than who owns the club.

This could be Barnet Football club and it would be the same. Its the Abu Dabhi Group they cannot punish as there will be political implications which the PL are too scared about.
 
It is pretty obvious that it doesn't have anything to do with the name of the club, the size of the club rather than who owns the club.

This could be Barnet Football club and it would be the same. Its the Abu Dabhi Group they cannot punish as there will be political implications which the PL are too scared about.
I think that’s a load of bollocks personally.
 
I think that’s a load of bollocks personally.

Ofcourse it is a load of bollocks but its the sad reality we live in, there are external pressures that the super rich can fall to.

This is what you get with state owned clubs, when those states have such political influences in the country.
 
Their plan from day 1 was to delay and simply not cooperate, given where all the sponsor funds originate the PL can't really go and get any proof of it. I think their plan is literally to stonewall and essentially say they can't find or can't provide for political reasons as much as possible to the point nothing can be definitively proven. So they get a shit load of fines, which would cripple a normal club, but their sponsors just eat it.

I expect them to get points docked but the league is waiting until nearer the end of the season so they can see how many points can be docked without affecting them in the slightest.
 
No they can't. City are too rich for the PL to do anything to them. They have too much political influence for a body like PL to touch them.

Like most organizations, the PL only care about their bottom line.

Yeah and the bottom line is what's at stake here if you make the EPL into Ligue 1.
 
So done with this circus. Football just isn't enjoyable with this shit going on all the fecking time.
 
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It would be great if the other clubs/fans got really aggressive or confrontational with City because this really isn't on. This "tyranny of the majority" argument and the constant legal wrangles is just harming football when it it really is simple: you fecking broke the rules, now accept the punishment.
 
Why not? Its quite obvious that it will be a financial punishment.

The Premier League are not looking at fair play or anything like that, they are looking at the product.

City getting punished via points opens them up to high profile court cases back and forth where the PL is tarnished. Compare that to a £20/30m fine, which would mean money in the pocket for the PL teams.

Man City and PL have actually pulled a blinder here, PL get paid, City get away with cheating, by doing exactly what they been doing for years, paying their way out of trouble. Its exactly how top level businesses in the Middle East work.

The best bit is, the cost of this is to be paid by other PL clubs, as the legal fees for this case is funded by the revenue TV rights for 19 other PL clubs.

They punished Everton, Forrest and the like to send a small statement to say.... cheating is not allowed unless you have deep pockets to pay of the PL.
It'll be borderline impossible for the PL to give them a financial punishment only. A financial punishment will likely be part of it but it will certainly not be the extent of it if the charges are proven. This stuff around court cases against City in the event they are docked points isn't true, the member clubs of the PL have to sign up to set of rules that means any dispute between them is arbitrated by the league itself.

Arsenal couldn't sue Man City in the traditional sense if it were proven that financial cheating deprived them of a title. If the charges are sustained they'll be given the biggest points deduction in the history of the sport (likely enough to relegate them) and there will be a financial punishment that sits alongside that, primarily to fulfil the compensation claims of other member clubs.

It's impossible for the PL to sustain these charges and not punish with a points deduction.
 
Here they go again
The fact they are doing this again shows just how desperate the situation is. Those APT rules have been reworded and that rewording has been approved by all but 4 clubs. For them to try and swing that favour in their favour and bring fresh action against the PL proves they know they are about to get absolutely battered on the 115.
 
It'll be borderline impossible for the PL to give them a financial punishment only. A financial punishment will likely be part of it but it will certainly not be the extent of it if the charges are proven. This stuff around court cases against City in the event they are docked points isn't true, the member clubs of the PL have to sign up to set of rules that means any dispute between them is arbitrated by the league itself.

Arsenal couldn't sue Man City in the traditional sense if it were proven that financial cheating deprived them of a title. If the charges are sustained they'll be given the biggest points deduction in the history of the sport (likely enough to relegate them) and there will be a financial punishment that sits alongside that, primarily to fulfil the compensation claims of other member clubs.

It's impossible for the PL to sustain these charges and not punish with a points deduction.

I dont understand where you are getting this information from but there is no chance anyone can say its borderline impossible for them not to be punished.

Even the part of if the charges are sustained.. I mean there are simple charges of failure to provide accounts on time, its clear they didnt furnish the PL with the information at the time.

The PL will make a decision, there will be uproar for 2 months, perhaps closer to end of the season so minimal disruption to any protests that may happen, come next season everything will be forgotten about.

In my opinion, there is too much evidence against a points deduction. Experts coming out saying, there will be no issue, Pep signing a new deal, Haaland signing for 9 years and City spending 180m in Jan.

You do not go do all of that if a decision is pending, the players / Pep don't sign a major extension without any clarity on the situation.

There is a reason why Pep's extension, City spending and Haaland deal came after the case was concluded.
 
Hence why they were allowed to spend 10% of the TOTAL monies spent in the entire world of all leagues during the january transfer window
 
Hence why they were allowed to spend 10% of the TOTAL monies spent in the entire world of all leagues during the january transfer window

Between this and Haaland’s salary reveal, it shows the damage that has been done to the game. Even their own fans must know (albeit deny) the damage they are doing to football.
 
It’s madness really. They don’t have to play in the Premier League, crazy that the courts have decided they have the authority to tell a private group what rules its members can agree to. Money talks.