City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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We don‘t know, that‘s the truth of it.

What happens is extremely important though, as it will have bad repercussions if not dealt with appropriately.
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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The delay has got nothing to do with the Premier League and they probably have as much of an idea of what is going on as we do
 
SuperiorXI said:
A lot of people are talking about a one off points deduction. For me, this would fall way short of what is deserved. We are talking about sustained cheating over many years... if the punishment only affects them for one or two seasons it's a very small price to pay with great rewards for City.

The punishment has to be relative to the crime. We are taking about sustained cheating over years, the punishment should be such that you will stop other clubs including City from trying to do this again.

It needs to be a long term painful punishment, I am talking several seasons of deductions and transfer bans. If it is limited to only one or two seasons, they win.
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Oh yeah I completely agree! I just have no faith they’ll go back and make a whole heap of season null and void.
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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fecking irony of you posting that then doing the exact same thing.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Verdict postponed apparently.
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Where are you getting this from?

The reality is that it’s a 12 week trial with 130 charges that is going to have hundreds of pages written in the verdict. It was always going to take a significant amount of months.
 
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Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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More likely that they want the season finished before announcing anything. Any points deductions then apply from next season. Just makes things a lot cleaner.
 
If it has been delayed, it's probably bad for city.

The draft judgment was possibly shared between the parties and one side kicked off.. who is that more likely to be

However, none of us have a clue so we'll have to wait
 
Drainy said:
If it has been delayed, it's probably bad for city.

The draft judgment was possibly shared between the parties and one side kicked off.. who is that more likely to be

However, none of us have a clue so we'll have to wait
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I’ve been thinking along the same lines. If they’ve been found not guilty, surely it would benefit everyone if the announcement was made immediately after a decision had been reached and a line could be drawn under the whole saga.

If found guilty, the fallout will be huge and the timing of any announcement will matter, and impact English football in an unprecedented way. Especially if a large points deduction that might result in their relegation is part of their punishment.

I can’t believe there have been no genuine leaks, but I was a city fan I’d be worried.
 
Theyve really taken the sting out of this story. Makes it easier to let them off than when people were talking about relegations and titles being stripped. Theyve just worn people into apathy.
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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You'd have to imagine if City had a strong case they would have co-operated with the investigation at every stage. As opposed to trying to hide their accounts and getting themselves hit with multiple other charges.
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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City fan with wishful thinking decides everyone else has wishful thinking
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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Supports: City
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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I think the wishful thinking is from you.

Why would a delay influence the facts of a case either way? And if anything, surely a weak case gets cleared quickly OR the PL just quit it?

The City emails previously discussed in the UEFA case were acknowledged as true and only ended up getting fined (for lack of cooperation) because of the time bound rule. Which doesn’t apply with PL case
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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Really I’m the opposite? They weren’t ever going to hit a points deduction a few weeks before the end of the season it would cause chaos, it was always going to be pre season so everyone knows where they stand next year

Not saying it will be a relegation threatening punishment but you’ll get some sort of deduction for sure
 
Gandalf said:
Doesn't specify which City though. I mean, we all know United means Manchester United, always has always will. City could mean Leicester, Coventry, Lincoln or multiple others, all far more legitimate clubs.
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Just a huge proponent of urban living
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
I think the wishful thinking is from you.

Why would a delay influence the facts of a case either way? And if anything, surely a weak case gets cleared quickly OR the PL just quit it?

The City emails previously discussed in the UEFA case were acknowledged as true and only ended up getting fined (for lack of cooperation) because of the time bound rule. Which doesn’t apply with PL case
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Thats not true. In fact the emails were admissible and not enough. City straight up won vs those emails with nothing time barred.





Not what Miguel Delaney and co yelled from the rooftops or what's said on here but there's the decision on those emails straight from CAS report. The emails weren't the smoking gun UEFA thought they had and they hinged most their case on them.
 
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City are guilty regardless of what happens. It just depends on whether they get punished for it. Any punishment they do receive, won't be anything like strong enough. I know that much.
 
padr81 said:
Thats not true. In fact the emails were admissible and not enough. City straight up won vs those emails with nothing time barred.





Not what Miguel Delaney and co yelled from the rooftops or what's said on here but there's the decision on those emails straight from CAS report. The emails weren't the smoking gun UEFA thought they had and they hinged most their case on them.
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Firstly, you’re agreeing then. As I said the emails were acknowledged as true and you said the emails were admissible. I made NO mention of whether they were enough by themselves or not.. quote where I said that.

Second, CAS said the emails from 2012 and 2013 were outside the 5 year limitation because the IC prosecuted them in 2019. Hence…. time barred.

And UEFA chose to use a small number of the emails (there is a reason(s) )… the PL have thousands.

Not sure what the last sentence has to do with anything, I didn’t reference Delaney (idiot). A bit “angry man shouts at clouds” …

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In February 2020 City were found guilty of breaking UEFA's FFP rules and given a two-year European ban and €30m fine - but the ban was lifted by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) five months later and the fine reduced to €10m.

CAS said City showed "blatant disregard of UEFA's investigative process" but cleared them of "disguising equity funds as sponsorship contribution". The ruling stated that most of the alleged breaches "were either not established or time-barred," with UEFA statute only allowing prosecutions within a five-year period.

City said that the CAS ruling was "validation of the club's position and the body of evidence that it was able to present".
 
SuperiorXI said:
Good job that's not how court works
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I didnt say it is though, did I?

I absolutely believe that it all transcends football though, and we're in the realm of geo-politics now. That's what I'm getting at, which brought on your snide reply
 
Cant be docking them points, need city to be firing again next season to stop Liverpool from winning the league.

It's our 'eritage now
 
11101 said:
It's all been setup nicely this season.

They're nowhere near the title, dock a few points that will make no material difference to show how seriously we all take this, a nice fine to line the PL's pockets, then next season start afresh like it never happened.
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Still bet the farm on this outcome. They're just waiting until they know how many points they can get away with docking.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Firstly, you’re agreeing then. As I said the emails were acknowledged as true and you said the emails were admissible. I made NO mention of whether they were enough by themselves or not.. quote where I said that.

Second, CAS said the emails from 2012 and 2013 were outside the 5 year limitation because the IC prosecuted them in 2019. Hence…. time barred.

And UEFA chose to use a small number of the emails (there is a reason(s) )… the PL have thousands.

Not sure what the last sentence has to do with anything, I didn’t reference Delaney (idiot). A bit “angry man shouts at clouds” …

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In February 2020 City were found guilty of breaking UEFA's FFP rules and given a two-year European ban and €30m fine - but the ban was lifted by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) five months later and the fine reduced to €10m.

CAS said City showed "blatant disregard of UEFA's investigative process" but cleared them of "disguising equity funds as sponsorship contribution". The ruling stated that most of the alleged breaches "were either not established or time-barred," with UEFA statute only allowing prosecutions within a five-year period.

City said that the CAS ruling was "validation of the club's position and the body of evidence that it was able to present".
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You said they were time bound (which they weren't). The "Ah everything was time barred" has been disproven time and again. Those emails weren't time anything read the post you're quoting.
The time barred issue has been posted incorrectly with regard to the emails time and again.

As for quote where you said it "The City emails previously discussed in the UEFA case were acknowledged as true and only ended up getting fined (for lack of cooperation) because of the time bound rule. "
Literally in the message I quoted you replied to but whatever and my reply clearly had this
"The majority of the panel find that the leaked emails by themselves are not sufficient evidence to support a finding that Man City provided inaccurate information to UEFA."

The only reference to time in the email is the one to Aabar was two years before FFP even existed. Basically the smoking gun everyone thinks Uefa had was actually a crock of shit easily dismissed as out of context. While there were other emails that were time barred, the same result was expected if they were used.

The PL quite possibly have more but again, we don't know that nor do we know they can prove what they are saying with said emails.

I dunno why you'd think I'm angry, I've said here multiple times I personally think we're guilty as sin but proving it isn't going to be nearly as easy as people think and the PL have a tough job to make it stick.
I just don't like when people twist the truth to push a narrative. The emails were real but not true or at least not able to be found true in the context you're trying to use them in the post I quoted.
 
padr81 said:
The emails were real but not true or at least not able to be found true in the context you're trying to use them in the post I quoted.
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Sorry bit confused by what you mean here. The email's are real but aren't true?

They are real e-mails that indicate guilt. All that the above is saying is that they can't be used as the sole evidence to prosecute city because they require the financials as proof. The same way you can't use a text message as proof of a murder, you need a body.

But since city refuse to provide those records (I wonder why...) then they can't be used as definite proof.

It's not rocket science - the emails are legitimate, they speak about how city have broken the rules - but they alone aren't enough - they need the financial records, which city are unwilling to provide because it would be giving the league the proof they require of their guilt.
 
padr81 said:
You said they were time bound (which they weren't). The "Ah everything was time barred" has been disproven time and again. Those emails weren't time anything read the post you're quoting.
The time barred issue has been posted incorrectly with regard to the emails time and again.

As for quote where you said it "The City emails previously discussed in the UEFA case were acknowledged as true and only ended up getting fined (for lack of cooperation) because of the time bound rule. "
Literally in the message I quoted you replied to but whatever and my reply clearly had this
"The majority of the panel find that the leaked emails by themselves are not sufficient evidence to support a finding that Man City provided inaccurate information to UEFA."

The only reference to time in the email is the one to Aabar was two years before FFP even existed. Basically the smoking gun everyone thinks Uefa had was actually a crock of shit easily dismissed as out of context. While there were other emails that were time barred, the same result was expected if they were used.

The PL quite possibly have more but again, we don't know that nor do we know they can prove what they are saying with said emails.

I dunno why you'd think I'm angry, I've said here multiple times I personally think we're guilty as sin but proving it isn't going to be nearly as easy as people think and the PL have a tough job to make it stick.
I just don't like when people twist the truth to push a narrative. The emails were real but not true or at least not able to be found true in the context you're trying to use them in the post I quoted.
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I could be wrong. Page 27.

Man City’s (sixth or “F”) reason for refuting the charges is the evidence is time barred. And expanded upon in 43 a.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Award_6785___internet__.pdf
 
Kiri said:
Lots of wishful thing on here. None of you have any facts.
All the delay makes me believe the Premier League is somewhat desperate and that City have a strong case.
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What does that even mean? A cartesian gremlin is playing chinese whispers with our homunculus.

There are many, many facts we know about this case.

And you start with mocking wishful thinking, then end with your own.
 
Ayoba said:
Cant be docking them points, need city to be firing again next season to stop Liverpool from winning the league.

It's our 'eritage now
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This is the slight massive problem.

United fans are hilariously optimistic with Liverpool's fortune. Klopp going will kill their team. Salah being 33 will.
Salah gone in 2 years will.

Chances are they continue their decent recruitment and continue long into the ether.

No-one seriously believes Arsenal will add that striker they need.

And City being punished while being deserved takes away the only genuine contender.

Til erm, we make a charge again. By which time the Premier league will be a Euro league.
 
Ayoba said:
Cant be docking them points, need city to be firing again next season to stop Liverpool from winning the league.

It's our 'eritage now
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A common sentiment but a flawed one.

It may provide some short term joy reveling in the misfortune of our rivals but it misses the bigger situation in which every title and triumph for city is a loss for football as a whole driving it to moral ruin.

Liverpool whatever they may be are a football club, city are a parasite and blight upon the game.
 
Impressive from City to drag themselves back into the Champions League places, and all it took was spending more in January than all of the other teams in the league combined.

Fully expect them to do the same in the summer, while the investigation continues for another six to twelve months.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Impressive from City to drag themselves back into the Champions League places, and all it took was spending more in January than all of the other teams in the league combined.

Fully expect them to do the same in the summer, while the investigation continues for another six to twelve months.
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Should have been 'exonerated' by then.

Their fans will attempt a January 6th style siege on the FA headquarters, or some scheight.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Impressive from City to drag themselves back into the Champions League places, and all it took was spending more in January than all of the other teams in the league combined.

Fully expect them to do the same in the summer, while the investigation continues for another six to twelve months.
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I can see Forest beating Spurs on Monday so City will drop back out of the Champions League places if they lose to Villa on Wednesday
 
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