City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing concluded | Awaiting outcome

DarkLord1984 said:
The longer this drags on, the less I can understand how anyone can support this club.

They are literally destroying football for the sake of pursuing their own interests and expect no consequences for their actions. If anyone tries to get in their way, they'll sue/bribe/do whatever it takes to shut them up.

If United were carrying on like this, I'd have stopped supporting the club years ago.
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I can only imagine the reaction in England if Manchester United tried to file a lawsuit against the Premier League in the early 00’s on the basis of being unhappy about rules limiting them. Media would’ve been all over us just on the basis of going against the league.

Bit surprised that such an attack on the league itself and how football works, has been met with what is essentially a collective shrug of the shoulders. I don’t think i’ve seen a single in depth article that hammers home the fact that it’s an unprecented attack on how the league actually functions, how teams agree on a set of rules (a set of rules Manchester City also voted yes to) for how they want the competition to be, only for Manchester City to turn around and file a lawsuit because they’re unhappy. There’s quite a few things they can challenge in the future.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
The longer this drags on, the less I can understand how anyone can support this club.

They are literally destroying football for the sake of pursuing their own interests and expect no consequences for their actions. If anyone tries to get in their way, they'll sue/bribe/do whatever it takes to shut them up.

If United were carrying on like this, I'd have stopped supporting the club years ago.
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Let's not lose sight of the fact that Manchester City football club is nothing more than a sock puppet for the Abu Dhabi government. The club aren't doing all this a middle eastern dictatorship are, which is exactly why they should have never been allowed to buy and own a Premier League club.
 
Can’t help but think with them spending big in January and looking like they’re going to spend big this summer too that the “harsh” element of the ban is going to be an unprecedented transfer ban of something like 3 or more years and they’re being allowed to mitigate it before it comes into effect.
 
Maybe it’s dragged on as we are in the appeal stage? :lol:

What an absolute bastard of a club. A club that’s only been in existence for 17 years too. Plucky city.
 
hellhunter said:
I'm not sure anyone knows the outcome yet. Can't see it being kept secret for that long if (a lot of) people from the club knew
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MaMa given red said:
How and why?

Why would they get to know before the rest of the world?

It's the same process as what happened to Everton and Forest, although its 130 times longer.
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Well the representatives of City who were present will know how the case went and was handled. Not that they will know exactly, but they will have an inkling of what it may be, and there have already been the rumours/felt like we are being drip fed some information. It wouldn't surprise me considering how football is nowadays if they weren't aware in some way of what may happen.

I just don't have a lot of faith anymore in football.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I can only imagine the reaction in England if Manchester United tried to file a lawsuit against the Premier League in the early 00’s on the basis of being unhappy about rules limiting them. Media would’ve been all over us just on the basis of going against the league.

Bit surprised that such an attack on the league itself and how football works, has been met with what is essentially a collective shrug of the shoulders. I don’t think i’ve seen a single in depth article that hammers home the fact that it’s an unprecented attack on how the league actually functions, how teams agree on a set of rules (a set of rules Manchester City also voted yes to) for how they want the competition to be, only for Manchester City to turn around and file a lawsuit because they’re unhappy. There’s quite a few things they can challenge in the future.
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We got annihilated for not playing in the FA Cup (after pressure from UK Govt) and going to the World Club Championship …

… ironically where City are now off to to earn an obscene amount of money, and zero media knock back on the elitism.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I can only imagine the reaction in England if Manchester United tried to file a lawsuit against the Premier League in the early 00’s on the basis of being unhappy about rules limiting them. Media would’ve been all over us just on the basis of going against the league.

Bit surprised that such an attack on the league itself and how football works, has been met with what is essentially a collective shrug of the shoulders. I don’t think i’ve seen a single in depth article that hammers home the fact that it’s an unprecented attack on how the league actually functions, how teams agree on a set of rules (a set of rules Manchester City also voted yes to) for how they want the competition to be, only for Manchester City to turn around and file a lawsuit because they’re unhappy. There’s quite a few things they can challenge in the future.
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Its not just football either.

Many competitive sports like motor racing for example have spending rules.

I don't know how you can say those rules can't be applied by the premier league when the championship, Champions league etc, have rules limiting what you can and can't do.

Lastly they accepted a fine from CAS admitting guilt and submitting to the rules, which sets a precedent that they are subject to financial rules and governance.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Its not just football either.

Many competitive sports like motor racing for example have spending rules.

I don't know how you can say those rules can't be applied by the premier league when the championship, Champions league etc, have rules limiting what you can and can't do.

Lastly they accepted a fine from CAS admitting guilt and submitting to the rules, which sets a precedent that they are subject to financial rules and governance.
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I don’t know?

Manchester City voted yes to the rules for APT only to turn around and file a lawsuit over the legality of them after they were unhappy with two deals not being allowed through (Etihad airways and First Abu Dhabi bank).

My general impression, which could be wrong, is that there’s plenty of rules and regulations that teams are happy to follow, in all sorts of sports, because everyone benefits from it, while the legality could be questioned if someone had incentive to do so. One could easily say that they haven’t been given incentive to press harder on the legality of spending rules, especially in the position they now find themselves in. A harsh penalty from the PL could easily change that, just like there were plenty of threats from PSG’s Qatari owners in relation to UEFAs financial fair play rules. Nasser Al-Khelaifi, given his key positions in the world of sports and broadcasting, isn’t really someone that should be taken lightly.

It should also be noted that while their lawsuit was about the APT, they took quite a few aims at how the league functions, like voting for rule changes and their attack on the «tyranny of the majority» and claiming that there was a coordinated attack on clubs with certain owners, to curb competition in the league, rather than a general set of rules.
 
Game plan from day one has simply been to delay, I guess it's not surprising this will keep dragging on. The longer it goes, I think they feel the less people care and the more they will get away with.
 
Looks like the plan is to forget about it, not say a word... lets hope everyone forgets that the charges ever existed.
 
You have to wonder why the verdict still hasn’t been announced they surely can’t start a new season with this still looming. Probably tin foil hat but interesting anyway how FIFA are really trying to push this new club World Cup and wont want it tarnished, I wonder if they’re leaning on the PL to announce after the tournament
 
Wasn't this supposed to be announced in March?

Looks to me like, the league and City are hashing out an agreement.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Game plan from day one has simply been to delay, I guess it's not surprising this will keep dragging on. The longer it goes, I think they feel the less people care and the more they will get away with.
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Seems to be working aswell, I don't see oppo fans mentioning it nearly as much compared to a year ago
The longer it goes, the less of a reaction there will be when City inevitably gets away with a slap on the wrist
 
Pexbo said:
Can’t help but think with them spending big in January and looking like they’re going to spend big this summer too that the “harsh” element of the ban is going to be an unprecedented transfer ban of something like 3 or more years and they’re being allowed to mitigate it before it comes into effect.
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Yip. Buying Ait Nouri now as well.

Horse… bolted… stable… etc
 
Its just so preposterous at this point. Another season passed, CL again, 250m spent in January and now linked with Ait Nouri, Gibbs White, Chekri and seemingly beaten to Wirtz but prepared to spend big. Every year that has passed since the cheating began, and allowed the extent of its consequences to deepen and this summer will be another.
 
SilentWitness said:
Surely the players joining will be privy to the outcome?
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On talksport (yeah I know) one of the reporters said that Marmoush's agent was given the all clear about any form of relegation before he joined.
 
Lay said:
On talksport (yeah I know) one of the reporters said that Marmoush's agent was given the all clear about any form of relegation before he joined.
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The board also assured pep they'd done nothing wrong.
 
Castia said:
You have to wonder why the verdict still hasn’t been announced they surely can’t start a new season with this still looming. Probably tin foil hat but interesting anyway how FIFA are really trying to push this new club World Cup and wont want it tarnished, I wonder if they’re leaning on the PL to announce after the tournament
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It was a 12 week trial for 130 charges.

It was very unlikely that it was going to be announced after a few months.

For a case this size you'd normally need at least a year.

Look at how long it took to deal with the 1 charge against Everton and then Forest.
 
Bear in mind that Masters ( I think it was) told us that there would be two IC.

The first would be to determine the outcome in terms of outcome. The second would determine any sanction.

We don’t know how the process will play out but it’s possible that the announcement won’t be made until both ICs have made their decision.

I guess it is possible that the first hearing concluded once the parties had put forward their arguments re aggravating factors (PL) and mitigating factors ( City) and that neither will be involved in the second IC who will look solely at sanctions.
 
MaMa given red said:
It was a 12 week trial for 130 charges.

It was very unlikely that it was going to be announced after a few months.

For a case this size you'd normally need at least a year.

Look at how long it took to deal with the 1 charge against Everton and then Forest.
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Erm... they have had over a year. Some of these charges relate back to 2013.... so they have had over 12 years.

The charges were brought in 2023/24... so this notion that they have not had enough time is false.
 
romufc said:
Erm... they have had over a year. Some of these charges relate back to 2013.... so they have had over 12 years.

The charges were brought in 2023/24... so this notion that they have not had enough time is false.
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Yes but the trial didn't take place until September last year and lasted for 12 weeks.

When the verdict does come out it is going to be pages and pages and pages. Just to compile something like that takes a very long time.
 
MaMa given red said:
It was a 12 week trial for 130 charges.

It was very unlikely that it was going to be announced after a few months.

For a case this size you'd normally need at least a year.

Look at how long it took to deal with the 1 charge against Everton and then Forest.
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Think the claim re a year is probably extreme but the issues are extremely complex and from investigation to charge to hearing to outcome was never going to be a quick matter.
Then you come down to timing of any announcement.

I would imagine that the IC will be mindful of the possible further challenges and potential for yet more chaos if there was an opportunity for clubs to argue that if the announcement was made before 24/25 season comes to a conclusion then far more challenges could be relevant end whereas announce it once the season has ended and possibly the point that the PL season has been consigned to the history books then I would imagine that certain matters won’t be up for challenge.
For instance say City got a 50 point deduction would Leicester be able to challenge their relegation?
 
terraloo said:
Think the claim re a year is probably extreme but the issues are extremely complex and from investigation to charge to hearing to outcome was never going to be a quick matter.
Then you come down to timing of any announcement.

I would imagine that the IC will be mindful of the possible further challenges and potential for yet more chaos if there was an opportunity for clubs to argue that if the announcement was made before 24/25 season comes to a conclusion then far more challenges could be relevant end whereas announce it once the season has ended and possibly the point that the PL season has been consigned to the history books then I would imagine that certain matters won’t be up for challenge.
For instance say City got a 50 point deduction would Leicester be able to challenge their relegation?
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If we use the one charge against Everton for example, the independent Commission’s full written reasons were a 41 page document.

The way the charges have been grouped together I'd expect the independent Commission’s full written reasons to be a minimum of 200 pages. Potentially considerably longer.

I can see this dragging on all the way through next season and it could be mid 2027 before it's been completely resolved.
 
MaMa given red said:
If we use the one charge against Everton for example, the independent Commission’s full written reasons were a 41 page document.

The way the charges have been grouped together I'd expect the independent Commission’s full written reasons to be a minimum of 200 pages. Potentially considerably longer.

I can see this dragging on all the way through next season and it could be mid 2027 before it's been completely resolved.
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It’s going to take a while yet before it’s finally resolved but I think we are closer to a resolution than ever.
 
This and the Chelsea selling to themselves thing...it feels like football is run by mobsters.
 
I just read an article from Daily Mail (first mistake) where they discussed the charges and mentioned it’s been 180 days of deliberations after the trial concluded.

They supposedly talked down the charges, and mentioned how the burden of proof is too high and they even defended City on a few points.
 
Redivy said:
I just read an article from Daily Mail (first mistake) where they discussed the charges and mentioned it’s been 180 days of deliberations after the trial concluded.

They supposedly talked down the charges, and mentioned how the burden of proof is too high and they even defended City on a few points.
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Oh what a surprise
 
Guardiola has signed a 45 million midfielder just in case the 60 million one he signed in January doesn't work
 
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