City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing concluded | Awaiting outcome

padr81 said:
  1. Part-time arbitrators. The panel is composed of senior practitioners with full diaries of other commercial litigation work; no equivalent of a sequestered jury exists.
Seeing that in there is a fecking joke. In a case this size surely they could have people on it full-time?
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I don't think they'd be able to get anybody that would solely commit to just working on this.
 
Reds Under The Bed said:
Some day somebody is going to click into this thread and there will be news about the verdict.

The question is will mankind be living on Mars by then.
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£50 fine and a "that was very naughty" decided by our new android overlords.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Another illustration why State-ownership should be banned and why the PL fit and proper test is a travesty.

It's scandalous but nothing will be done about it, of course.
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Indeed, it is. The newcastle takeover being passed was the last straw, for me. I pretty much give up on club football, then.
 
steeeb said:
It wont happen until after Pep leaves everyone loves him too much. It's like waiting for Jimmy Saville to die.
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Pep is untouchable, even if they get found guilty of all the charges and titles stripped, etc, then they'll still make sure a bad word isn't said about him.

Below is a headline from an article written by Oliver Holt just this week (it's behind a paywall, thank goodness)

Everything I hear about Pep Guardiola suggests his Man City reign is ending - here's why his time in England will never be tainted by the 115 charges verdict​

 
adexkola said:
This article should be pinned or bookmarked. It's the best summary I've read of the case so far.
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while the article tries hards to connect all the dots in a sensible / common sense manner, sporting justice (aka: the panel) is much possibly facing high-level conflicts of interest and legislation, way beyond football.. as such, the panel could just remit the case to higher courts but even that would be a pronouncement.. as such, a liability for the ones making it.. so nothing said, nothing paid.
 
padr81 said:
  1. Part-time arbitrators. The panel is composed of senior practitioners with full diaries of other commercial litigation work; no equivalent of a sequestered jury exists.
Seeing that in there is a fecking joke. In a case this size surely they could have people on it full-time?
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That is quite normal for arbitration. Usually both parties will have a say in appointing the arbitrators, or at least being able to object to any that are not suitable. That's the case in arbitrations worth billions too.
 
Frosty said:
That is quite normal for arbitration. Usually both parties will have a say in appointing the arbitrators, or at least being able to object to any that are not suitable. That's the case in arbitrations worth billions too.
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Fair. I'm not too well versed on it, just seems like if the PL could appoint like 3 full time or something it could be sorted much quicker and we could either be relegated and in search of new owners or fine but at least the nonsense would be done.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Is that true that Mancini had a £1.75m per year consultancy role with Al Jazira that required only 4 days service per year?
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Yup, 4 days coaching year, I'm not even sure he had to fly out for it.
 
padr81 said:
Fair. I'm not too well versed on it, just seems like if the PL could appoint like 3 full time or something it could be sorted much quicker and we could either be relegated and in search of new owners or fine but at least the nonsense would be done.
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I reckon we will have to wait for the new football regulator and further governance changes before that happens. Even if the PL instituted a new model tomorrow it would probably not be able to be retrospective.

If I were running City I wouldn't agree to a request. Lord Pannick is a very canny lawyer. He has won a lot of 'lost cause' legal cases for the government.

It is also in the club's interest to drag out the process by compartmentalizing the charges, not least because it allows them to 'chip away' at the allegations. This is also quite a normal legal strategy. It only feels a bit grubby because:

A) this is competitive sport

B) as we have seen, current sporting regulations and enforcement are not fit for purpose

C) there is a foreign relations element here, as UK/UAE relations (and investment) could be impacted, and the football authorities are in uncharted territory.
 
Frosty said:
I reckon we will have to wait for the new football regulator and further governance changes before that happens. Even if the PL instituted a new model tomorrow it would probably not be able to be retrospective.

If I were running City I wouldn't agree to a request. Lord Pannick is a very canny lawyer. He has won a lot of 'lost cause' legal cases for the government.

It is also in the club's interest to drag out the process by compartmentalizing the charges, not least because it allows them to 'chip away' at the allegations. This is also quite a normal legal strategy. It only feels a bit grubby because:

A) this is competitive sport

B) as we have seen, current sporting regulations and enforcement are not fit for purpose

C) there is a foreign relations element here, as UK/UAE relations (and investment) could be impacted, and the football authorities are in uncharted territory.
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Even though I'm a City fan c, there has me really worried cause if we do go down on charges, surely we'd then have to declare a member of the UAE royal family to be not a fit and proper person or a senior government official at the least in Khaldoon right? Like theres no way the ownership can stay if City go down on the bigger charges. It's extremely messy.
 
padr81 said:
Even though I'm a City fan c, there has me really worried cause if we do go down on charges, surely we'd then have to declare a member of the UAE royal family to be not a fit and proper person or a senior government official at the least in Khaldoon right? Like theres no way the ownership can stay if City go down on the bigger charges. It's extremely messy.
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I doubt that would happen. The fit and purpose person test isn't the problem (well, it is a problem because the test isn't fit for purpose, but that's another point). Remember that guy who had no money but bought Portsmouth 15 years ago? He passed it. Unless you have a financial conviction or have been previously struck off, you will be fine.

Chelsea is probably a good analogy, if indeed the UAE need to sell or want to sell. A sale was made to happen, but it wasn't a fire sale and the club went for market price. But I cannot see the authorities making Abu Dhabi divest. The punishment will be the club's, not the ownership.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
That works out at a huge £437,500 per day which is insane and according to that article City are claiming that was a genuine consultancy
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That's not too far removed from some fees politicians get for minimal work, especially in the financial sector. Boris Johnson made £5m in six months.

That's not to defend it, but the salary itself could be justifiable compared to equivalents.
 
It is the most disgusting ownership situation, and represents a much more significant black mark against the club than the financial feckery.

You can roll Arsenal's sponsorship deals in to that too. Not that these are the only clubs tarnished by horrendous associations, (Fly Rwanda, Chevrolet, gambling companies and on and on) but it is the most obvious example of the most gross contamination of what were once things of pride within the community.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Pep is untouchable, even if they get found guilty of all the charges and titles stripped, etc, then they'll still make sure a bad word isn't said about him.

Below is a headline from an article written by Oliver Holt just this week (it's behind a paywall, thank goodness)

Everything I hear about Pep Guardiola suggests his Man City reign is ending - here's why his time in England will never be tainted by the 115 charges verdict​

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Holt is such a patsy.
How could a regime with such madness that there's 115 or more charges not be tainted if they're proven?!
Although a lot of it was pre Pep but he's obviously hugely benefitted from everything and the "size" of club the books pretend they are.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Pep is untouchable, even if they get found guilty of all the charges and titles stripped, etc, then they'll still make sure a bad word isn't said about him.

Below is a headline from an article written by Oliver Holt just this week (it's behind a paywall, thank goodness)

Everything I hear about Pep Guardiola suggests his Man City reign is ending - here's why his time in England will never be tainted by the 115 charges verdict​

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At least the charges were mentioned and not just "Lord Peps reign is ending"
 
steeeb said:
At least the charges were mentioned and not just "Lord Peps reign is ending"
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At least it sounds like Guardiola is finally fecking off soon. Even if the charges saga drags on for another year or so, Pep's absence will hurt them a lot and make them less desirable to players.
 
If you were in charge of a league and had to hand out a severe punishment to one of its top teams, I'd imagine you'd prefer to do it when they aren't the champions of your league.

If you had a system of review over the major decisions which decide who wins your league, it must be tempting to nudge it in your preferred direction.


I don't know if either of these things are relevant to this thread, on this day in particular. Just thought I'd mention it.
 
Fair play to the league if that's what's happened here.

Cheat your way to titles - get cheated out of titles.
 
Flying high said:
If you were in charge of a league and had to hand out a severe punishment to one of its top teams, I'd imagine you'd prefer to do it when they aren't the champions of your league.

If you had a system of review over the major decisions which decide who wins your league, it must be tempting to nudge it in your preferred direction.


I don't know if either of these things are relevant to this thread, on this day in particular. Just thought I'd mention it.
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I opened this thread thinking someone might have said something like this. No idea why. Funniest thing, these coincidences.
 
Because it needs saying:

how many trophies have city won whilst awaiting charges?


Since being formally charged by the Premier League on 6 February 2023 with 115 alleged breaches of financial regulations, Manchester City have won 8 major senior trophies. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Because the independent commission's final verdict is still pending, the club has continued to compete normally and secure titles. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Trophies Won Since the Charges Were Brought [1]
The timeline of silverware secured while awaiting a final ruling includes:
  • Premier League (2 Titles): Sealed the 2022/23 crown and a history-making fourth consecutive title in the 2023/24 season.
  • UEFA Champions League (1 Title): Won their first-ever European Cup in June 2023 by defeating Inter Milan.
  • FA Cup (2 Titles): Won the June 2023 Manchester derby final at Wembley. Won the May 2026 final verses Chelsea.
  • UEFA Super Cup (1 Title): Defeated Sevilla on penalties in August 2023.
  • FIFA Club World Cup (1 Title): Won the tournament in December 2023 by beating Fluminense.
  • FA Community Shield (1 Title): Won the season curtain-raiser in August 2024. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Summary Table
The breakdown of their major trophy haul specifically during this legal limbo period consists of:

Competition [1, 2, 3, 4]Trophies Won Awaiting VerdictSeasons / Years
Premier League22022/23, 2023/24
UEFA Champions League12022/23
FA Cup22022/23, 2025/26
UEFA Super Cup12023
FIFA Club World Cup12023
FA Community Shield12024
Total Silverware82023–Present
 
Watched today game, I hope they everything win from now on.
Never will understand how other clubs watch this shit and are OK with it. Especially smaller clubs who would benefit from CL money. Fans are not that much better.
Nothing will happen from this accusations . It will just fade away like bad fart. I am sure if this happened to any other club you would have everyone wanking themselves into oblivion why talking about cheating, pre game specials ect.
 
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