Matthew84!
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I'm just hoping now when City are playing the opposition fans have banners and chants about them cheating
That remains to be seen, I don't know the details of City's finances. And allegations cover their earlier days, which makes sense, they needed injections to get to the top in an "artificial" manner. Why on earth would they have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?Then why can they still not bring in the commercial revenue that would allow them to spend within FFP regulations? The Premier League will be just fine, especially if Pep ends up at Chelsea
I doubt fans outside the big 6 give a feck. I don't see Soton fans caring much about who's at the top, hoping it's United instead of City.I'm just hoping now when City are playing the opposition fans have banners and chants about them cheating
I actually believe Southampton care the most out of the entire league.I doubt fans outside the big 6 give a feck. I don't see Soton fans caring much about who's at the top, hoping it's United instead of City.
You’d be wrong on that oneI doubt fans outside the big 6 give a feck. I don't see Soton fans caring much about who's at the top, hoping it's United instead of City.
They wont have issues bringing in commercial revenue now. They clearly do have issues bringing in commercial revenue to the level they have claimed (IE, more than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Liverpool etc) which is why we are having this conversation in the first place.That remains to be seen, I don't know the details of City's finances. And allegations cover their earlier days, which makes sense, they needed injections to get to the top in an "artificial" manner. Why on earth would they have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?
The PL will be fine regardless of the outcome for sure.
Possibly. It wouldn't make sense... I feel Liverpool have used them the most as a feeder club in recent years.You’d be wrong on that one
it could mean staying in the league for them, so of course it would mean a lot to any mid or lowertable teamI doubt fans outside the big 6 give a feck. I don't see Soton fans caring much about who's at the top, hoping it's United instead of City.
The wording is quite clever
The path to a City relegation is narrow. Again I don't think fans of Notts Forest are whipping up banners under the warm fuzzy feeling that City may go down instead of them... the coming weeks will tellit could mean staying in the league for them, so of course it would mean a lot to any mid or lowertable team
But another oil club invites this same scenario to take place again.That's... not what this is.
banners is of course far fetched, but who on the brink of relegation would just shrug their shoulders? The whole Tevez debacle at West Ham caused huge annoyance tooThe path to a City relegation is narrow. Again I don't think fans of Notts Forest are whipping up banners under the warm fuzzy feeling that City may go down instead of them... the coming weeks will tell
Championship feels too small of a punishment because they’ll be straight back up. Should be League 1 or 2Which of their stars will want to play in the championship? It may not be a automatic promotion. They need to sign new stars & manager by then too.... All under a watchful eye and budgetary restrictions?
Interesting that Liverpool outspent United in the 90s but our academy development gave us the edge.Mesmeric.
Wish it continued to current date.
When their finances are stripped away they won’t be allowed to keep their stars since they can’t afford them.Which of their stars will want to play in the championship? It may not be a automatic promotion. They need to sign new stars & manager by then too.... All under a watchful eye and budgetary restrictions?
So you find it hard to judge liars and cheats, OK.If they broke the rules, they should be punished. But to be honest, I find it very hard to judge them for this since FFP is a farce and was only put in place to ensure that those who are at the top remain at the top. It's a shitty rule made by shitty people sold as something great and romantic to the fans. Good for top clubs, bad for small clubs. feck FFP.
They haven't been relevant long enough to grow a global brand like United and Liverpool, basically from scratch.That remains to be seen, I don't know the details of City's finances. And allegations cover their earlier days, which makes sense, they needed injections to get to the top in an "artificial" manner. Why on earth would they have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?
The PL will be fine regardless of the outcome for sure.
Sorry this is too logical.Your second paragraph is so stupid I won't even respond to it.
With regards to the 1st one - yes! To grow organically, within their means, and not to face the scenarios we've seen time and time again in football where they've been too greedy and ambitious, ruin the clubs, feck off, and leave entire communities in disarray.
it’s because they have no fans and have never been respected.That remains to be seen, I don't know the details of City's finances. And allegations cover their earlier days, which makes sense, they needed injections to get to the top in an "artificial" manner. Why on earth would they have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?
The PL will be fine regardless of the outcome for sure.
Sorry, which Club has been dominating the transfer market and winning unprecedented trophies through collusion? Hmmmmm.Why? The Wikipedia definition reads as follows: A cartel is a group of independent market participants who collude with each other in order to improve their profits and dominate the market. Cartels are usually associations in the same sphere of business, and thus an alliance of rivals.
Well that was sarcasm mate. But you do think United were one of the main drivers behind the introduction of FFP as a means of protecting their position yes?It’s only nonsense because you’ve argued against something that I haven’t actually said.
I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.They haven't been relevant long enough to grow a global brand like United and Liverpool, basically from scratch.
Then don't"Why on earth would City have issues bringing in commercial revenue now?" I mean I don't even know where to start with that statement!
Invest in player development, sports science and innovative coaching over a long perios.of time. Good ideas get rewarded.In 19/20 Brighton was at €147M revenue, United at €651M. Even if United stopped growing and Brighton growed by 10% per year, they would need 16 years to get to United's level. The problem for Brighton is that the top clubs are actually growing faster than the runner ups.
Let's be real, it is literally impossible to organically grow into a top club. You need capital injections for that to happen.
And now, that really my last post in here
They should've been forced to rebrand as UAE FC when the new owners took over. The real Manchester City "brand" died years ago.Guilty until proven innocent.
I hope the PL has deep pockets if we win this case, the brand damage is huge.
Not just Utd- the larger clubs, the ones trying to maintain their positions. Basically the ones with most to lose from the possibility of oil money clubs. I don’t blame them - all clubs are motivated by self preservation and protection of their positions.Well that was sarcasm mate. But you do think United were one of the main drivers behind the introduction of FFP as a means of protecting their position yes?
So no need to win trophies then? If you won enough in the past, that prestige will get you through decades of shit years? And conversely, you can't win fans through winning trophies and gaining more exposure? So if you were a small club before, you're pretty much doomed?it’s because they have no fans and have never been respected.
There is no magic formula which says win x amount and you have x amount of fans. It doesn’t work like that hence the cheating.
Last year United sold 3 odd millions shirts, City barely scrapped past 1m.
What’s the going rate for winning a trophy? 1b prize pool?
look at how rich the EPL clubs are, you don’t need to win titles for it to sky rocket, it doesn’t seem to be an important factor yet City did that and then some.
Feck me we had higher revenue during our really lean years than Madrid who were winning 4 CLs in 5 years. Winning means feck all in the grand scheme of things
English clubs are dominating the top 10/20 rich lists in terms of revenue and we don’t hand out 10/20 league titles per season?So no need to win trophies then? If you won enough in the past, that prestige will get you through decades of shit years? And conversely, you can't win fans through winning trophies and gaining more exposure? So if you were a small club before, you're pretty much doomed?
This is so counter-intuitive that all my mind is agreeing with you
The league brings attention to them.Really?
The champions of the most watched league in the world bring no attention to said league?
Winning trophies is really the only way these days to "gain" new fans, kids these days have a tendency to support whichever team is winning the trophies at the time they start following footballSo no need to win trophies then? If you won enough in the past, that prestige will get you through decades of shit years? And conversely, you can't win fans through winning trophies and gaining more exposure? So if you were a small club before, you're pretty much doomed?
This is so counter-intuitive that all my mind is agreeing with you
Exactly. We've not won the league in 10 years. We've finished outside the top 4 several times. This so called cartel are really not very good at their jobs are they?What fecking positions are the cartel in England supposed to be protecting? Our EL spots?
There’s some drivel being spouted on here
Definitely should be relegated to non-league. I can just hear Martin Tyler now…
It’s FC United of Manchester vs Manchester City and it’s liiiiiive!
I can do what I like, thanks! I don't actually need you to engage with me, but I'll continue to point out inane statements when I see them.I think this point is taken as truth by a lot of people on here and frankly, historical success gets overvalued massively by legacy fans.
Then don't