But also shows the pitfalls of such analytical data point.So apparently Bayern's xG was 1.27? And they scored 7.Ridicilously clinical today.
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Vertonghen means strong tongue so maybe something in it.
Pochettino does not want to be here for that overhaul so starting a new one with him at the helm would be insanity.
We need a clean slate, and an overhaul led by a new manager who is dedicated to the project.
I admit that i watch only highlights of german league. But you score goals, win games, win titles, playing well...
But ok, of course that i will not be smart ass to you about your club. Of course you know better
If you compare our team (and performances) with our team just before he took over, you would also want to sack him.
He is a great manager and I love him but his time at Spurs is over, it's been clear there have been big problems over the past year which he doesn't seem able to fix. Tonight proved that the players just don't have belief or confidence any more. That's on the manager and you simply can't accept a result like this tonight.
Three defenders beside him play with a CB who can't defend or has no positional sense either
Not really, it just shows that Bayern were exceptionally clinical. They made the most of lower probability chances. There’s a reason that results like this are so rare.
I think Spurs might get relegated when Poch leaves. hahahaha
no we dont.
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Fair enough if he's had this coming and no longer wishes to be there. If he is committed to the rebuild then I think it's madness to get back on the managerial carousel in this new theory that a new manager automatically fixes underlying issues.
And freak results like this happen every now and then.
Fair enough if he's had this coming and no longer wishes to be there. If he is committed to the rebuild then I think it's madness to get back on the managerial carousel in this new theory that a new manager automatically fixes underlying issues.
And freak results like this happen every now and then.
After watching that second half do you understand why it's nothing short of nonsense?
So, will English media make huuuge deal out of it, just like they would do if it was us?
No?
I knew it
No?
I knew it
If it came out if the blue then sure ok but this has been coming for a long time. Things have not been right for a year now. There are no signs that things are improving rather they are getting worse.
What is the dressing room split that’s been talked about?
There are pitfalls/shortcomings with the data point though. 1.27 xG does not do Bayern any justice or show the very good chances they had, which they did, yes, convert at a much higher rate. There's a massive disconnected when comparing 7 actual goals to 1.27 expected, no?
If as it looks Poch's cycle with this team is over then it'd be much easier for spurs to replace him
He's not committed. He hasn't been for a while.
This is a manger who said if he won the CL he would have moved on from the club. I agree that a new manager is no quick fix, but fundamentally I think the Poch era is over and we need to start a rebuild with somebody new.
I don’t think so no. It shows that they were exceptionally clinical but if they played again such a result would be highly unlikely. You can look at it as xG doing a great justice to the performance of their attacking players because they profoundly outperformed the average of other players in the same positions. That said, xG is a dispassionate dataset so it shouldn’t be expected to express any kind of idealistic narrative.
Just saw the goals in the Spurs match, some of the touches and finishing was unreal. Night and day from last night.
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What has Spurs' xG against been like this year compared to Bayern's xG for going into this match? Shipping 7 goals leads to a massive amount of context needed to explain and just saying they were super clinical is not even half the battle.
https://sports.yahoo.com/pochettino...rn-champions-league-clash-133543969--sow.html
Eriksen, Vertongen, Toby, Moura may still be questioning why he didn't start the CL final after his heroics in the semis, etc. Alli isn't getting a serious look in thus far.
Sure, there were lots of defensive errors too that led to the goals too. Spurs xGA this season is 9.31 in the league and they’ve conceded 9 goals so almost average.
That second half was a clinic by Bayern. Thiago came on and they took all control of the match while in the first half they had some issues with Spurs' pressing. Their finishing was big time but they did have many opportunities as Spurs scrambled to reduce the deficit.
Both teams looked dire defensively. Good to see Coutinho back on thr pitch given the mess at Barca last season. Just a very very talented footballer. His final ball was off, but he did show of some amazing footwork at times.
Bayern imo cant win the competition cause that level of defending just wont cut it in the knock out stages against A grade attacking opposition. Also they are one attacker short as Coman just doesnt look like what he has in the past.
Both teams looked dire defensively. Good to see Coutinho back on thr pitch given the mess at Barca last season. Just a very very talented footballer. His final ball was off, but he did show of some amazing footwork at times.
Bayern imo cant win the competition cause that level of defending just wont cut it in the knock out stages against A grade attacking opposition. Also they are one attacker short as Coman just doesnt look like what he has in the past.
That's what i thought as well. Their offensive play is impressive, but they lack of quality in the defense. Also in Bundesliga matches vs smaller teams the look pretty weak. Hope they will improve this, because they actually have the quality of players to do so.
Who would you want to start this rebuild with?
Erik ten Hag would be my favourite choice, purely because Ajax play a really enjoyable brand of football. Howe is another possible option though I'm not fully sold on it.
Allegri maybe? Though not sold on his style, but he'd tighten us up defensively which we really need.
Allegri would slot in perfectly imho, Poch’s foundational work on the pitch being over and your club seeming ready to take the next step forward to the elite status.
Wasn't Rose free to leave the club this Summer too? He seems to be a first choice full back now.
If I was a Spurs fan or Everton fan I would like to have someone like Howe managing my team.
I was working so when I arrived and checked the final score was it too much Bayern or is that a sign that this players don’t click more under Pochettino?
Anyway, on another note it looks the Real Madrid cacophony is alive and well @carvajal and @giorno?
He has been talking about leaving for a little bit now yes.
You are not fashionable SCP. The most glamorous and cool for 2020 is the Europa LeagueIf I was a Spurs fan or Everton fan I would like to have someone like Howe managing my team.
I was working so when I arrived and checked the final score was it too much Bayern or is that a sign that this players don’t click more under Pochettino?
Anyway, on another note it looks the Real Madrid cacophony is alive and well @carvajal and @giorno?
.It looks like we'll be walking on the wire all season. Even la liga leadership seems very misleading
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Well, this didn't age well...
Basically, if we don't reach the semis and are beaten by either Barca or Real, it's not acceptable to many. You're right. It's a bit embarassing at times, but you get used to the return hate. You wouldn't believe what German fans say about us. Scratch that, you probably would. It's exactly how you'd imagine it to be. Your reaction times a hundred. Arrogant is the word mostly used. Oh, and the German equivalent of cnuts.
Well in the first 35 or so minutes it looked exactly like that.
We would have had the same result if last night's Bayern was at Old Trafford.
Is it too late to arrange Vertonghen's move to Liverpool in January so he could work his way through Salah, Mane and VVD's spouses and derail their title run?
True, but considering there's really not an abudance of good coaches that speak German and would be willing to coach Bayern, let's stick to this coach for a while and see if we can make him into a good coach that stays longer than 3 years, eh? I'm stick and tired of having a new coach every few years.