Maybe, that's a speculative conditional statement though
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Not really... I would be very surprised if we go even 6 months without a sponsor... your comment saying we wont find a replacement because we sacked those guys suggests we wont get a sponsor though.
Sure, if we get 24m again.
So we've lost £34m worth of sponsorship this summer with Marriot also not renewing their deal either. Nice.
5 sponsors haven’t renewed
Oh, so even more money not gracing the coffers.
But I've been told the sponsorship team deserved to be fired and we'll make up all that revenue in new sponsorships
And paying Adidas £10m for no CL football again
The net result is the same, but yes. £10m penalty every time we miss out on the CL.we're not paying them
they pay us less is what happens, no?
and can you point me to where it was reported that INEOS sacked the sponsorship team?
I doubt the whole team was sacked, but I believe it was Ducker who reported after the EL final that the commercial department was one of the areas that was impacted by the latest round of redundancies.
So what's going on in the transfer department? we are 5 days away from the start of pre-season and havent sokd a single one on the players we want to move on and have only brought 1 player in when we need to sign at least 5 good players to give Amorim the tools he needs to get the squad performing and avoid us having to sack another manager in November.
Which was an insane thing to do as sponsorship has the highest profit margin, circa 95% or so according to our former CEO.
United used to have sponsors lined up for major categories like shirt, training, sleeve etc before the current one even expired. We’re at the point where we’ve launched the new training kit with no sponsor at all. This deal was worth more than 15 of the actual match day front of shirt sponsorships of the premier league clubs and we’ve not got a replacement lined up.
Marc Armstrong has a huge job on his hands and people forget his job was made pretty easy at PSG by having Messi, Neymar and Mbappe there at the same time. Sponsors line up when you have marketable players of that calibre in your squad. I wonder how he’ll do without star power.
I'd bet that no matter how many people our commercial department employed, we wouldn't have landed a similar deal anyway.
24m £ per year from the training kit sponsor? That's just insane and maybe it's not realistic to expect another deal like that.
How many sponsors have we got?
I understand it's the fashionable thing nowadays to deal in hyperbole and drama, but perhaps we can all calm down a little bit and stop writing the club's obituary because of a short term gap in training kit sponsor? I am sure a new deal will be struck soon, as will other commercial deals. The endless bed wetting by some is hilarious, not to mention the critical analysis of corporate and commercial performance from people who likely have zero experience in the field, and almost certainly not at the level the club operates in.
It'll never cease to amaze me the extent of judgement that gets passed on executives, whose remit is to often effect change over a multi-year period, by people who have no knowledge of the inner workings of their role or even what constitutes a good or bad job. We should probably have them move their desks out on to the field so the fans can shout at them and judge how well they email or talk on the phone.
It'll never cease to amaze me the extent of judgement that gets passed on executives, whose remit is to often effect change over a multi-year period, by people who have no knowledge of the inner workings of their role or even what constitutes a good or bad job. We should probably have them move their desks out on to the field so the fans can shout at them and judge how well they email or talk on the phone.
You'll have people in here saying be patient, they say that every summer though and every summer is a disaster. The top 4 are moving further away from us with their business, we're not getting closer to them. We'll just get closer to the sides in midtable. I honestly believe for amorim to have had a chance of working we needed good business all completed early with a full pre-season with our full squad for next season, we're back in training next week with 1 signing and no sales so far compared to the scousers who have added 3 starters and are working on a 4th to a title winning side
Was the irony intentional?
Some fair points, the only issue is that every year we're lectured to with some variation of "just shut up and trust the master plan", yet the club continues to spiral in a downward trajectory. At the end of the day, the trust has to be earned.
Exactly. INEOS have so far done nothing to earn trust. Why the hell would I back them firing the commercial department and then we don't have sponsors lined up to replace the deals that ended?
You would really hope there's irons in the fire regarding the sponsorship issue however I can see this become more challenging over time. Big sponsors want to be associated with success not failure, there's only so long we can stay around midtable and get top deals. Its nearly 2 decades since we last won the champions league, there's adults now who will have no memory of us ever winning the premier league. Woodward talking about on field success not being tied to commercial success is only true for so long, eventually mediocrity catches up with you and it becomes a vicious cycle. Not winning, less revenue, no champions league, less revenue, sponsorships down, less revenue. We're doing well at the moment for revenue but as teams above us solidify their position this will catch up to us and coupled with the debt we'll never be in a position to push on. The Glazers attitude to not being the best anymore has crippled us
I hindsight you can see why Barcelona and Chelsea had to do what they did. We, on the other hand, value finances over football competitiveness but, eventually, poor results and performances have a big impact on finances which then hinder your ability to build a competitive team.
It's all well and good to build the team using conventional methods from internally generated resources but given the arms race currently underway in the PL the top 4 are pulling away from us and they were levels ahead of us to begin with. It's only going to get worse if we don't do something about it this season.
This is an issue and SJR will no doubt hide behind it.
The Glazers' house of cards beginning to crumble, too bad Ineos rushed in to rescue them otherwise they would be begging for anyone to take the club off their hands.
Yeah trust has to be earned and serious measures are needed to address the slide. We do get it that the club is in a bad place financially but the one sure way for a football club to repair it's finances is on the pitch - competing for the big trophies, winning price money and being visible on the big stage.
If we don't take steps to ensure that we are back on the CL stage as soon as possible, like two years, then with our debt we are setting ourselves up for major issues down the road.
The board needs to reassess what they think overpaying looks like.
Maguire for £80 million
Pogba for £89 million
Antony for £82 million
Hojlund for £72 million
This, among many others is what overpaying looks like. £62 million guaranteed instead of £57 million isn't.
And if the board had any sense, they do this signing first so Brentford can't use Cunha's release clause as a measuring stick.
Maguire for £80 million
Pogba for £89 million
Antony for £82 million
Hojlund for £72 million
This, among many others is what overpaying looks like. £62 million guaranteed instead of £57 million isn't.
And if the board had any sense, they do this signing first so Brentford can't use Cunha's release clause as a measuring stick.
21 "global sponsors", basically sponsors that pay in excess of £2-3m per year all the way up to Adidas' £80m per year. The 5 we've lost, plus the £10m reduction from Adidas will cost the club over £50m every year (Tezos alone is £24m per year). Now given that sponsorship revenue has such a high profit percentage, that's a huge hit to our operating profit per year.
Sorry if this has been answered or if I’m wording this incorrectly but when does the period for Ratcliffe/INEOS to buy all or more of the club or the Glazers can sell to someone else and force Jimbo to match it or sell his share? Is it this August?
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Thanks for that. £50 million is a huge chunk of money to see going out of the door.
We're Manchester United, savvy
You can say he will hide behind it, but it’s a completely legitimate business concern. How else would you expect a business owner to act in that circumstance?
INEOS better piick up the pace
5 days to preseason and only one transfer completed and no sales
Wasn't this the season where we were going to have majority of business done before start of preseason to give the manager the best chance at a great start.
If preseason starts and we are at the same point then INEOS are incompetent and giving Amorim little chance for next season
5 days to preseason and only one transfer completed and no sales
Wasn't this the season where we were going to have majority of business done before start of preseason to give the manager the best chance at a great start.
If preseason starts and we are at the same point then INEOS are incompetent and giving Amorim little chance for next season
Somebody has to want to buy our players. Two of the potential sales are on eye watering wages, for it to happen they really need to lower their wage demands. Also Rashford seems to have a very inflated opinion of himself.
People seem to forget we all talked about our issues not being fixed in one transfer window and now complaining we haven't signed 8 players since the start of the window.
We are penny pinching, if we get Mbeumo then we have to sell before we can buy. We can't compare ourselves to Liverpool, Man City or Chelsea. They can spend what they like and can move fast because they are, champions or in the champions league and have plenty of money. Just because we don't hear anything doesn't mean nothing is happening, we all wanted the leaks stopped.... maybe they have been.
The players we are trying to sell are on huge wages and other than Garnacho have hardly played consistently well in the last 2 years.
We are penny pinching, if we get Mbeumo then we have to sell before we can buy. We can't compare ourselves to Liverpool, Man City or Chelsea. They can spend what they like and can move fast because they are, champions or in the champions league and have plenty of money. Just because we don't hear anything doesn't mean nothing is happening, we all wanted the leaks stopped.... maybe they have been.
The players we are trying to sell are on huge wages and other than Garnacho have hardly played consistently well in the last 2 years.
All true but doesn't change anything what I said. This is the job. You either get it done or you don't. There are ways of putting pressure on players to get them to leave. Big clubs do it all the time.
So fans need not give INEOs excuses. Came start of preseason and this is all they've done, fans should be pissed and hold them accountable
INEOS knew what they were getting into UTD. We need to hold them to their promises. If they can't do it, then sell their stake and let the team be put up for sale
I do want more signings, but we do not know what is going on. I am even more annoyed and the people who handed out those stupid contracts and have wrecked the club financially. Think they have been a tad optimistic about being able to sell players. Antony wants to play and has said he will take a wage cut, so that is now is the club court to negotiate a price. As I said Rashford is deluded and Sancho, unless he has now changed his tune does not appear to want to be a footballer. We have lost some players anyway, through contracts expiring and Evans retiring.
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Personally I don't care what's going in the background. That is for Wilcox to fix. He needs to do what he needs to push players out and get players in by preseason. If he can't do that then he's failed and so has INEOS.
INEOS inherited a mess. But Glazers ownership would have been untenable without INEOS. They would have to sell. So Glazer mess is now their mess. And they should no benefit of the doubt or sympathies from fans. Because frankly, since they came in its been worse.
Club is going in a bad direction. We needed to see a competent offseason to have some faith in them. So far, nothing inspires any confidence in INEOS. They need to prove and show they can turn it around cuz all we've seen its poor decisions, regular working class employees getting shifted and UTD penny pitching. We just can't start preseason with one signing after the worst season in recent history. Just can't no matter the excuses
Well played INEOS. Well played. Player FC can do one.
What's this in reference to? Getting rid of Rashford and co?
Big statement
Lost 50m in sponsorship deals, signed Cunha, pre-season is about to begin, Lindelof left, no one sold.
This is fine.
This is fine.
So maybe they would have found something else to use as a measuring stick, or just demand more money without a measuring stick? We could have found ourselves in early July without either player.
We had a chance to seal Cunha early and doing that was absolutely correct.