Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Agree with people’s criticisms. Recruitment has been way below what was needed so far.
A few weeks left before the first friendly, let’s hope we see some serious movement on two or three more incomings in that time.
You’d hope Sancho out gets done by then too.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Yes I am aware, and pointed it out in my edit. The implication is that the management team hasn't done enough to get rid of unwanted players.
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What exactly should they do? Rashford wants to go to Barca and it's not like they've received loads of offers for him and turn it down. Apparently they've agreed on 25m for Sancho but it's been slow because of his wage demands, United really have no leverage here.

Similar stories for Garnacho and Antony the club can't sell them if there's no concrete buyer and there's no buyer because of wages given to these players from previous executives.
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
What exactly should they do? Rashford wants to go to Barca and it's not like they've received loads of offers for him and turn it down. Apparently they've agreed on 25m for Sancho but it's been slow because of his wage demands, United really have no leverage here.

Similar stories for Garnacho and Antony the club can't sell them if there's no concrete buyer and there's no buyer because of wages given to these players from previous executives.
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I don't know, ask the OP. I was responding to this reply which triggered the discussion:

Escobar said:
Oh no how do we survive without Lindelof
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oreon said:
INEOS better piick up the pace
5 days to preseason and only one transfer completed and no sales

Wasn't this the season where we were going to have majority of business done before start of preseason to give the manager the best chance at a great start.

If preseason starts and we are at the same point then INEOS are incompetent and giving Amorim little chance for next season
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i think it's clear to see that the board have failed so far in this transfer window.

Early business was critical to a) improving the first team b) supporting Amorim in his belief that pre season is crucial for him to work his system into the players and c) showing that INEOS can be trusted.

Days away from pre season training and I have not been impressed with the business so far.
 
Escobar said:
Yeah, it is so easy to get rid of them. And of course the current managements fault
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It's their responsibility. They are not doing their jobs. They shouldn't get a pad on the back for trying. They need to get it done, plain & simple.

We had the worst season in last 2 decades and we are starting preseason with 1 signing AND no sales

Its been a month. What is Wilcox doing.

It's a tough situation, INEOS knew that when they bought the club. They need to figure it and figure it out fast. We have a tough opening schedule. We could be looking at another season where its over in the first 2 months.
 
As underwhelming as it has been so far, I do think that this window is not a normal window.

The club are clearly trying to break the cycle of being taken for a ride over every transfer, apart from waiting for the other club to blink, I’d like to know what other ideas people have for not being taken to the cleaners?

Then we have the player power nonsense whereby the Rashfords and Sanchos are on insane wages and unable to shift. They are taking a hard line, knowing that it it will reduce the value, but again, I’d like to know what other options they have? (Please don’t say “let them rot in the reserves”), because as much as I would like to see that, they need to create some PSR headroom.

So all in all, they are playing with a really poor hand, but have to break some engrained cycles which have seen us get into this mess over the last 10 years.

If we get to the end of the window with 3-4 quality signings and 3 of the 5 wantaways gone, I’d say that’s a pretty successful window.
 
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Doesn’t this Mbuemo situation start to look like the Antony one. The tunnel vision starts to grow while other teams finds other solutions.

If we are a waiting for players to leave the I guess we will have to wait to late August. All other teams know that our players wants to leave, it’s in the news, so they could just wait em out.

So we will be sitting here and getting no one.

Feeling for Amorim, EtH got heaps of money while Amorim gets nothing.
 
Bit useless so far but not unexpected. Concerning nevertheless that clubs like Pool get their business done early while we, again, are struggling heavily. Shows just how much better these guys are run.
 
oreon said:
It's their responsibility. They are not doing their jobs. They shouldn't get a pad on the back for trying. They need to get it done, plain & simple.

We had the worst season in last 2 decades and we are starting preseason with 1 signing AND no sales

Its been a month. What is Wilcox doing.

It's a tough situation, INEOS knew that when they bought the club. They need to figure it and figure it out fast. We have a tough opening schedule. We could be looking at another season where its over in the first 2 months.
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We have 2 months left in the window so relax. And Ineos like wny new owner would struggle to get rid of them. So they are trying their best but fans like you have no idea how that works and think this is FM to just put someone on the transfer list and is gone the next day
 
Escobar said:
We have 2 months left in the window so relax. And Ineos like wny new owner would struggle to get rid of them. So they are trying their best but fans like you have no idea how that works and think this is FM to just put someone on the transfer list and is gone the next day
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We are exactly at the halfway point of the offseason today
 
DeludedOptimism said:
As underwhelming as it has been so far, I do think that this window is not a normal window.

The club are clearly trying to break the cycle of being taken for a ride over every transfer, apart from waiting for the other club to blink, I’d like to know what other ideas people have for not being taken to the cleaners?

Then we have the player power nonsense whereby the Rashfords and Sanchos are on insane wages and unable to shift. They are taking a hard line, knowing that it it will reduce the value, but again, I’d like to know what other options they have? (Please don’t say “let them rot in the reserves”), because as much as I would like to see that, they need to create some PSR headroom.

So all in all, they are playing with a really poor hand, but have to break some engrained cycles which have seen us get into this mess over the last 10 years.

If we get to the end of the window with 3-4 quality signings and 3 of the 5 wantaways gone, I’d say that’s a pretty successful window.
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The way we do that is by having credible backup targets in mind, and being willing to move onto those targets. Haggling endlessly on its own won't cause sellers to budge, it'll just waste everyone's time.
 
Escobar said:
But the window is open for another 2 months almost. Or do you think that all clubs are done with buying players already?
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My point is that there's not really that much time if we want to be prepared going into the new season. We hear this almost every summer: "the season just ended", "the window just opened", "it's not preseason yet", "it's only July", "we still have a few weeks left" - and then we're inevitably scrambling in the final week of the transfer window to get some panic signings across the finish line after a poor start to the season.
 
Nogho said:
Doesn’t this Mbuemo situation start to look like the Antony one. The tunnel vision starts to grow while other teams finds other solutions.

If we are a waiting for players to leave the I guess we will have to wait to late August. All other teams know that our players wants to leave, it’s in the news, so they could just wait em out.

So we will be sitting here and getting no one.

Feeling for Amorim, EtH got heaps of money while Amorim gets nothing.
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Antony was signed on the 30th August so there's a long way to go yet.

United do however need to set a price threshold and time limit on this transfer then move on. My feeling is that Amorim really wants Mbeumo so they're willing to wait.

If the numbers being quoted are correct then United could spend the money on Cunha/Mbeumo and after that it's player sales which I suspect is why we haven't seen more activity.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The way we do that is by having credible backup targets in mind, and being willing to move onto those targets. Haggling endlessly on its own won't cause sellers to budge, it'll just waste everyone's time.
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I agree to a degree, but without European football and the market being what it is I think the backup targets will be limited. Semenyo is probably the most similar (PL pedigree etc), but £70m is being banded around for him already.

I am pretty confident that the deal will be done and the total cost wouldn’t have moved much from what is on the table, it’s just frustrating that Amorim isn’t getting him from day 1, when all season we’ve heard about how vital a proper pre-season is.
 
Escobar said:
But the window is open for another 2 months almost. Or do you think that all clubs are done with buying players already?
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The Scouse have done their homework early. We haven't although we are in a much bigger need. The ownership so far has been a shambles. Wouldn't call it a dissapointment though as it's exactly what I was expecting from INEOS
 
Owners like Ineos och the Glazers must love PSR and such, they can just point to it when asked why not spending money.

Either there should be no regulation at all or all clubs should be allowed to spend the same, regardless of income.

The current model is just a way of keeping the rich club rich and closing the gate for everyone else. Stupid rule.
 
Nogho said:
Owners like Ineos och the Glazers must love PSR and such, they can just point to it when asked why not spending money.

Either there should be no regulation at all or all clubs should be allowed to spend the same, regardless of income.

The current model is just a way of keeping the rich club rich and closing the gate for everyone else. Stupid rule.
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The Glazers (let us) spend a metric feckton for a decade without going anywhere. Transfer money wasn't out issue the last years, the targets and structure were
 
Godfather said:
The Scouse have done their homework early. We haven't although we are in a much bigger need. The ownership so far has been a shambles. Wouldn't call it a dissapointment though as it's exactly what I was expecting from INEOS
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Yep. They hired a coach with a system that doesn't suit the squad. He wants a clearout and a lot of new players but it's not possible due to our deadwood/unwanted players being on massive wages and basically unsellable. Pre-season starts with one major signing.

Chelsea's owners, for example, are doing every (dirty) trick they could think of, selling crap to themselves and god knows what else, pumping their own money into the club. What is Ratcliffe doing? Ah yes, he'll build a stadium - IF he finds someone that will come up with the money. Not himself of course, that would be daft. Why would he invest in his own club.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
The way we do that is by having credible backup targets in mind, and being willing to move onto those targets. Haggling endlessly on its own won't cause sellers to budge, it'll just waste everyone's time.
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Haggling endlessly or protracted negotiations amount to the same thing. It makes us look like we are desperate to sign that particular player which is not a good position for a buying club to be in.
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Haggling endlessly or protracted negotiations amount to the same thing. It makes us look like we are desperate to sign that particular player which is not a good position for a buying club to be in.
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It also sets the tone. Clubs will always try to squeeze a few extra million here and there as long as don't show the transfer market that we're willing to move on. Sancho part 1 the only time in recent memory that comes to mind
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Haggling endlessly or protracted negotiations amount to the same thing. It makes us look like we are desperate to sign that particular player which is not a good position for a buying club to be in.
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Yes exactly, that's the point I was trying to make. The club's idea of negotiation is akin to haggling with a vendor at the Grand Bazaar. The management don't seem to understand the concept of BATNA.
 
FreakyJim said:
Yep. They hired a coach with a system that doesn't suit the squad. He wants a clearout and a lot of new players but it's not possible due to our deadwood/unwanted players being on massive wages and basically unsellable. Pre-season starts with one major signing.

Chelsea's owners, for example, are doing every (dirty) trick they could think of, selling crap to themselves and god knows what else, pumping their own money into the club. What is Ratcliffe doing? Ah yes, he'll build a stadium - IF he finds someone that will come up with the money. Not himself of course, that would be daft. Why would he invest in his own club.
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Why would he pay for a new stadium as an investor. Glazers are still the owners. Why would he pay his own money to build them a stadium?
 
Nogho said:
Owners like Ineos och the Glazers must love PSR and such, they can just point to it when asked why not spending money.

Either there should be no regulation at all or all clubs should be allowed to spend the same, regardless of income.

The current model is just a way of keeping the rich club rich and closing the gate for everyone else. Stupid rule.
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PSR isn't constraining us at the moment though. Our lack of cash is.
 
golden_blunder said:
Why would he pay for a new stadium as an investor. Glazers are still the owners. Why would he pay his own money to build them a stadium?
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Which is exactly why this minority share purchase was a killer. Why would he have ANY incentive to invest into the club? At the moment I'd argue it would be more beneficial for him if the club keeps failing and losing money if he really intents to buy the remaining Glazer shares in the coming years.
 
Godfather said:
Which is exactly why this minority share purchase was a killer. Why would he have ANY incentive to invest into the club? At the moment I'd argue it would be more beneficial for him if the club keeps failing and losing money if he really intents to buy the remaining Glazer shares in the coming years.
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People need to remember he’s an investor not the owner. The glazers still sign off on new players etc
 
So far this summer has been an enormous disappointment for those hoping to see the new team - now with a years experience - improve in the market.

Paid an agreed release clause, and failed to sell a single one of the clear outcasts, and has at every turn looked to devalue them it seems, by making it abundantly clear that they're not wanted.

It screams of so much incompetence from my position of ignorance that I have to assume they just know more, otherwise it's serious amateur hour.
 
Godfather said:
Which is exactly why this minority share purchase was a killer. Why would he have ANY incentive to invest into the club? At the moment I'd argue it would be more beneficial for him if the club keeps failing and losing money if he really intents to buy the remaining Glazer shares in the coming years.
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It only ever made any sense in the short term whilst they sorted out a full sale.

No idea what's going on, but this sort of ownership is clearly unsustainable in the long term
 
I went into this window feeling quite positive, which sounds strange considering how the season went but it’s because of the terrible season I thought we’d be decisive and have a plan , we’d sell certain players and target decent replacements.
It started well , with Cunha and then a quick offer on Mbeumo, but it’s definitely fizzled out.
I don’t blame the Hierarchy really as they are having to change the ‘spend whatever it takes’ narrative from the last 10 years , plus you can’t sell what other teams don’t want .

It’s a balancing act that we’ll just have to be patient with and see how it plays out , personally I think out goings are key , for releasing more funds and changing the culture.

As frustrating as it is, give them time to work it out
 
hellhunter said:
The Glazers (let us) spend a metric feckton for a decade without going anywhere. Transfer money wasn't out issue the last years, the targets and structure were
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Indeed - but if allowed Sir Jim could have put in a billion and said go buy some this summer as well. Now it’s not possible. I don’t care if owners want to put their money in to the game. Raising ticket prices and sacking people is a lot worse.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
PSR isn't constraining us at the moment though. Our lack of cash is.
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That is way I hate this rules. Just let the rich people do what they want with their money. If Sir Jim wants to buy a guy for a hundred million let him, it’s his money. Now we are stuck and all other teams as well who doesn’t already have an extremely good structure in place.
 
Nogho said:
That is way I hate this rules. Just let the rich people do what they want with their money. If Sir Jim wants to buy a guy for a hundred million let him, it’s his money. Now we are stuck and all other teams as well who doesn’t already have an extremely good structure in place.
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acnumber9 said:
He doesn’t want to do that. PSR is a lovely excuse for him.
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It wouldn't happen with the current ownership situation anyway, unless the Glazers agreed to put in a corresponding amount or dilute their shares.
 
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