The "working class" fanbase are priced out regardless. This proposal could be seen as a tax on the rich. I'd be happy with them selling 1000 personalised seats at £4000 a pop if they also made 1000 seats available at a tenner.
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to discuss disappointed FA Cup exit at the hands of Brighton - confirming our shortest season in over 100 years. They also discuss the news that Michael Carrick is set to be United's manager until the end of the season.
The "working class" fanbase are priced out regardless. This proposal could be seen as a tax on the rich. I'd be happy with them selling 1000 personalised seats at £4000 a pop if they also made 1000 seats available at a tenner.
Again. Very few people were actually doing this, if any.
It was deemed (at the time) a better solution than 100% Glazer ownership or a nation state takeover.
Let's be honest, they're never reducing any ticket prices unless we suffer relegation.
The licence would only apply to corporate fans and it’s far cheaper than what Real Madrid and Barcelona already charge their corporate fans. The article says that in the states these licences go for up to in excess of £150,000. I have no issues with them charging wealthy fans whatever they want.
I don't know how many people were doing it, bud. It was a very popular opinion and anyone who didn't like the idea was labelled a Qatari apologist.
I never considered it a better solution. In fact, have been saying it from the very beginning that if Jimmy didn't bail them out it would have eventually led to a full sale.
We could wish that it would lead to some kind of redistribution but we all know that the extra bucks earned are going to go into the owners pocket.
Of course they aren't. I was just saying what I'd like to see.
Let’s look objectively at what INEOS have done wether we think they have done it wrong or right, these mistakes are all the Glazers.
So let’s look at INEOS:
Brought in a CEO who took two clubs to the very top.
Sacked a bulging workforce including highly paid body language coach etc..double the number of employees of Man City and over 500 more than both Chelsea and Arsenal.
Stopped handing out £300k contracts.
Starting to get rid of overpaid underperforming stars and for the first time refused to top up a loan stars wages.
Made quite a few quid from sell on fees.
Rebuilt the defence in their first window.
Rebuilding the attack in their second.
Started buying the best PL proven talent from outside the top 4/5.
Put footballing people in charge of the club.
Put plans in place for a stadium.
Invested £50million in the training ground.
You might not agree with SJR or INEOS but on paper what they are doing is making the right steps, they certainly don’t get everything right (Ten Haag, Ashworth) but no one can say they haven’t at least tried to turn around the horrendous mess the Glazers have created.
The thing is, there was no interest in the club at the price the Glazers wanted though.
I'd also maintain, being owned by a nation state would be terrible and wouldn't be the cheat code to success that people think it is.
If there were no suitors at the price then they would have been forced to reduce it. That is my point.
I am just uncomfortable with this idea of a partial sale and getting more parties with vested involved in what is already a mess. On top, INEOS' track record with other football clubs didn't paint a very rosy picture regarding their running of football clubs.
I'd give INEOS a B+ so far. They're doing ok, nothing exceptional but certainly heading in the right direction. A few costly errors along the way, but certainly they're trying to turn the club around.
Seriously weird innit.
I genuinely don't think they want to have a "full sale" or at least they didn't in 2023. They made the price insanely high so again, at the tine anyway, it very much a win-win for them on the off chance people were prepared to pay that. The image they put out to the media was very different. Ratcliffe offered an alternative plan which, on the face of it, was better than the model for the previous 18 years.
I despise what they're doing off the pitch but the team will be loads better in 18 months for some of the changes being made to the "culture" of the club etc.
On the wider point, I get why people were/are uncomfortable with it. I'm just saying there wasn't the cheerleaders for them that people to seem to think there was. People viewed INEOS as very much the slightly lesser of three evils (again, at least in terms of the options that were made public.)
I’m not that convinced. Look at the approach of the Chelsea owner. They did plenty of mistakes, but they at least decided to give it a real push and do everything possible to get the club back to winning.
I think Ineos too should have recognized that the squad was broken and needed investment. From a PSR perspective, it is possible to invest, but probably not from a cash/debt perspective. And that is something they could have fixed. The mistakes they have made have been honest mistakes, but a lack of ambition is always unforgiveable.
And to be clear, I’m not talking about spending like Chelsea either. But with another £150 mill we would probably be really close to giving the manager a very good squad.
They are all over the place so far. You are very generous.
This is really, really, really overselling Berrada's role in Barca's and City's respective successes.
Couldn't agree more. The overwhelming majority had never heard of him until he joined us. Not like we signed Guardiola or their director of football.
Not to say he won't prove a good appointment in the meantime but anyone who thinks he was the real boss while working for Abu Dhabi royals is wide off the mark.
As for Ineos so far I would say several of their decisions have been tone deaf, getting rid of people struggling to make a living wage and hiking season ticket prices mid-seasons, disabled parking price hikes etc. However, if it's teething problems or short term pain for long term gain then okay fair enough. They get a fool's pardon.
That said, we'll need to see some of that gain soon on the pitch. It's one thing to run us like a company being stripped bare to save money off the pitch but if they are serious about putting us back among the elite teams then things need to improve quickly or we'll be well and truly left behind.
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Do we oversell the disruption of Woodward?
Omar Berrada. The man, the myth, the legend.
He’s at least two of those.
He’s at least two of those.
Woodward was actual CEO
He's the middle one
Maybe we could try gathering around and having a little sing song and a march ahead of one of our home games before everyone goes inside and fills the stadium up to capacity?
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I understand what your saying but I'm not about to tell matchgoers how they should behave when some people have season tickets and are committed
Agreed. If fans stop turning up then they'll just end up losing their season tickets and that's exactly what the Glazers want to happen. Best off everyone just continue to show up and fill the stadium every match day to preserve their season tickets.
Though of course, if the new stadium does get built in the next few years, a lot of those same fans will end up losing them anyway if the rats get their way. Which they will.
I wish we had enough people willing to boycott games and not buy the merchandise, however going to Old Trafford is still a special thing to many so understand them feeling torn on it. Particularly if they have kids who are probably too young to understand the frustration at these leeches.
Going to be very interesting to see what type of financial shape we will be in 12/18months time. Casemiro contract over,sancho the same, hopefully rashford and Antony gone full time too. And is Harry's contract up too next summer? When does shaws end? Squad wages could be massively down in 12months. Hopefully with a lot of improvement we might get some type of European football too.
Isak will have gone off market by then, god knows when the next most in form striker in league comes available again
I didn't say anything about isak. The club isn't competing at the moment. The finances and squad all need to be handled. We are ages from competing with pool arsenal or city for a league pal. Yeah there is a lack of strikers around at minute,but In 12months there'll be someone new that everyone raves about. We will just have to plug along this season with the two new lads. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of them play up top alot and bruno/amad in 10.
Yeah could easily see one of them at CF v Arsenal
Sorry, what? Laughable PR.
This one needs some explaining...
Wait I thought Brentford didn’t have an academy and that was one of their differentiating points about the club or am I getting it mixed up with them not having a reserves/u-23 team?
They have been shockingly shit.
No, you're right. They closed their academy in 2016 and started it again in 2022. Probably when they figured out how to both do moneyball and run an academy (like Chelsea and City do).
His experience is mostly as a youth coach at City, so it's in essence another Wilcox/Berrada guy.
You’re spoiling his state of daydream where money is raining down from the sky and United can buy all the top players every summer
He was recruited to city in 2011 and took over as CEO in 2016. The same year Pep come in and they’ve been at the top ever since. The question we should ask is, if Pep came to us in 2016 would he have been so successful? and the answer is that there was no structure or expertise behind him so therefore the answer is no.
Berrarda had never held any CEO position before he came here, at City he worked as a COO under the management of Soriano who was CEO
Not sure how anyone can rate their tenure so far anything above a C. Yes they're taking steps in the right direction but it's been so slow and they've made some horrendously naive decisions (e.g., keeping ETH, hiring Amorim - a manager who plays a completely different system to the players we have available). And something needs to be done about our debt.