OK agreed. It should be made aware that getting it wrong with the manager is OK as long as you act quickly etc
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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I hope youre right.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...iffe-nice-struggling-manchester-united-owners
Jim Ratcliffe has returned to Nice … and they are struggling again
Jim Ratcliffe has returned to Nice … and they are struggling again
What ever about fans unwilling to vilify a manager inside a stadium this weekend, the knives certainly should be out for Ineos.
They'd have been absolutely destroyed by now at any club where supporters have values and standards that need to be upheld
Ineos are worse than the Glazers. Together, they are driving us into the ground
They'd have been absolutely destroyed by now at any club where supporters have values and standards that need to be upheld
Ineos are worse than the Glazers. Together, they are driving us into the ground
You're being too emotional, there's plenty of unrooting required behind the scenes that INEOS have done, which whilst unpopular are likely to put is in a better stead. Bar one however which is the managerial appointment. You can't cry for ownership being changed because of that.
Well, you were right about about ineos
Is that you Jim?
Why don't you try a reasonable reply to the discussion this time
Believe it or not, there was no instance before that I wish that I was wrong then on that particular one. Unfortunately everything surrounding INEOS and football headed to the same direction. They aren't very good at it, they are intrusive and they don't spend anywhere near to be successful. Oh well, we'll soon have the next round of photoshopped pictures about the new stadium soon. That will get fans excited.
Rather hilariously, even that was divisive and not everyone was excited
I'm afraid you've had a brain fart here.
Ralph wasn't here when Ineos was and I didn't mentioned Woodward? So how is that a stick to beat Ineos with? Woodward wasn't even CEO when Ralph left - Arnold was. And who is my championed exactly? What on earth are you talking about.....
Looking through your posts I get the feeling you may have an agenda or something.
Do you even know who Ralf Rangnick is? And why we originally brought him in? He wouldn't have carried on as our manager, that was never the plan
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It’s funny that Ed is starting to get some credit for his time at Manchester United. Even if it’s a joke (partially at least). I never would’ve imagined it. Seriously, I think Ed’s 'success' relative to INEOS geniuses was due to a simple fact that he actually did have a plan. That might not be a great plan and Ed is surely not a great football executive but he had a clear and basic plan – get a star manager, sign some star players (preferably with good marketing value), secure big sponsorship contracts, achieve Top4. That’s basically it. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t.
How could you describe the ‘INEOS’ plan? Genuine question. Because I don’t know.
We’ve heard a lot (including from SJR) that the club was not run well and that they (INEOS) will set it up for long-term success. But that’s not the plan, that’s the goal. So in almost two years of INEOS controlling football operations we had:
How could you describe the ‘INEOS’ plan? Genuine question. Because I don’t know.
We’ve heard a lot (including from SJR) that the club was not run well and that they (INEOS) will set it up for long-term success. But that’s not the plan, that’s the goal. So in almost two years of INEOS controlling football operations we had:
- Terrible mess at the DoF position.
- Commerical guy steering football decisions.
- Cost-cutting measures targeting low-paid staff creating bad PR and worse morale.
- Director of the Academy (one of the few bright spots) leaving
- Clumsy handling of the ETH situation which resulted in the write-off of the previous season.
- Disastrous hiring of the most anti-United manager you can ever imagine. Seriously, did they interview him? Look, man, we’re 0-1 down in a crucial game with 10 minutes to go, what are you going to do? I don’t know, probably substitute a center back.
- Some head scratching transfer decisions. How was it not obvious to anyone watching United that we had a championship-level goalkeeping duo last season? Why wait until the very last second to sign an unproven 23 year old?
- Inaction in removing Amorim which might result in another season write-off.
Because 'Ralph' was under the Glazers, whom Ineos are in league with.
'Ralph' and Dan Ashworth, as evinced here:
I hope these answer your incredulity.
Just like our current manager has shown nothing to support an argument that he has the required skills to be a successful(or even mediocre) manager in the premier league, our part owners have shown so far nothing to support an argument that they have the required expertise to successfully run the football side of a club.
At least the manager has previously been successful in a different league, the owners have no track record of success in Football and their latest project here is quickly descending into another disaster.
At least the manager has previously been successful in a different league, the owners have no track record of success in Football and their latest project here is quickly descending into another disaster.
Agree 100% with everything Carragher says here, especially at 2.40mins. Laying the blame on the decision makers at United and the mistakes they've made.
Why do you keep saying 'Ralph'
You're pulling off some incredible mental gymnastics here to push your agenda, I must say.
True. He wasn't great, not even good, but he was solid. He had standards and an idea what the club should stand for. The infamous Disneyland-Pitch to Klopp shows that he wanted United to be the biggest show in World football so he went for big names on and off the pitch. It might not have been what most fans wanted their club to be but it worked to a degree, except he failed at good succession planning. Every manager change was a total change of playing style and that caused far too many players to turn into expensive "deadwood" and burned so much money.
Had he been more thoughtful about that United could have been far stronger, but that's actually the only big issue I had with him.
INEOS on the other hand...
What the actual f was that
46% saying he should get more time? Ferguson is right, it's trolling.Get the poll mods, please. Let's get some confirmation here that it's 90% + who want him out.
1. Get the finances in check
2. Renovate the club's facilities up to the modern standard.
3. Work on making the New Stadium project a reality and find a sponsor for the project.
4. Take United back to the standard we used be - fight for the Title and be competitive in the Champions League.
Just in that order is the plan INEOS has came out with atm. So, them not having a plan is a huge miss.
Now when it comes to day to day footballing department that is up the standard of the people who we have hired - they can fail and we need to replace the people on the go, but in the long run it doesn't change the INEOS plan.
As much as I hate the Glazers and Ineos, this is just rewriting history. Remember Woodward saying success on the pitch has no bearing on commercial success? He had no interest in football he just wanted to make as much money as possible for his bosses! He wasn’t even great commercially, my god back in those days United was such a hot property every man and his dog wanted to be associated with us. Talking about dogs, if my pet Maltipoo was CEO back then, we would still have signed all those sponsorship deals!
People, openly, with their own names and picutres attached, comparing their regime to Woodward's MUST jolt the current Man Utd board. Surely?
If their worry was looking stupid its too late. Now its just a question of how stupid they want to look before accepting the inevitible.
So many questions about the much talked about 'game model'. What the f-k game model was Amorim recruited against when he does not, and never has, suited the squad of players or the historical traditions of the club i.e. wingers?
What the actual f was that
Get the poll mods, please. Let's get some confirmation here that it's 90% + who want him out.
I dont believe for a second that all of the 46% voting to give him more time are genuine Man Utd fans, there's definitely some rival fans in there.
Carragher is 100% right here, I agree. He is only in the job because our 'best in class' management team are paralysed with fear. Berrada is a commercial guy, he should never have got personally involved in choosing a manager. Wilcox might be good at some things but has been thrown into the DoF role, and again its not clear he had the experience to be choosing a manager. These two got Ashworth sacked. And Jim things he knows it all, he was interviewing managers last summer and got too involved in this. If they had left the DoF they hired to do his job, we wouldnt be in this position. I will keep saying this, Wilcox and Berrada will now be fearing for their jobs. That is why there is paralysis. We are a joke club
Yes absolutely. That's why he didn't pay enough attention to how he should do these transitions. As I said, he wasn't good in his job. But he understood that attention brings money, and you get that by signing big names and playing in the CL.
Had he understood that true success brings even more attention and focused on that more than he would have been good. He didn't, so he wasn't.
I'm not rewriting history here but I'm saying something we all believed to be impossible: It can be a lot worse than Woodward.
I'd guess 99% of those 46% are trolling.
The current poll on the Sky Sports app which has been running since 19:48 last night is showing 66% of people in favor of sacking him, im not sure if its the same one they showed on TV though as I have just been able to vote on it without even logging in.
Regardless of how shit the current state of affairs may be - that is just absolutely ridiculous.
Woodward had no clue about how to run a big football club on the football side - yes, the football side, the "side" of the operation that has to do with hiring competent people to make the football club competitive as a football club on the highest level.
He deserves no credit whatsoever. If it turns out Jimbo the fracking enthusiast gets us relegated, Woodward still deserves no credit.
You don't get credit for doing a shit job just because someone else arrives and somehow manages to do an even worse job.
Wonderful factual honest post, I called out the same and asked the obvious question?
When did Man United stop being Man United?
Anything less than 6/7th place then he should be sacked, 33 PL matches is more than enough to judge him, I do not subscribe to his Sporting team was an unbelievable team in European Competition and suspect had Ole, ETH or Ralph met his sporting team, all those managers would have easily beat this imposter in a two legged.tie.
Let’s be clear here, the only time this journey man has ever got past a European 1/4 final was with the squad he called the worst in United’s History, huge mistake!
Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox are both rookies in their roles too and I called this out months ago, only to be questioned on my reasoning for stating the obvious on both men’s lack of experience in completely new roles at the biggest club in the UK?
Oliver Glasner wants the job, can play a far more effective 3421 however he’s still flexible enough to play 433 as well and would do if the board told him to do so?
I'm pretty certain that any poll on such a neutral platform (with regards to United) will be voted on by a majority of non-United fans.
I agree on everything except the last half sentence. Glasner would want to play what he sees as the right system, not what rhe board thinks he should do. This is the reason why he left Frankfurt, they couldn't agree on the future development of the team.
Glasner allegedly believed the "underdog setup" suited Frankfurt better while Krösche wanted to do the next step
When the contenders for POTM on the official site are Bruno, Sesko and Dorgu, considering how those players have performed this month, it tells you what kind of month we've had!
In which case you'd expect the keep vote to be higher.
You aren't wrong. It just puts the shit job he did into perspective. I'll give Woodward credit on this though: I don't think Amorim would have started the season if he was CEO still.
Maybe not.
But then again, THAT would have very likely been based on fan sentiment. I can easily see Woodward sacking Amorim after last season (culminating with the EL fiasco) - yes.
But - it would have been based on press/fan sentiment. Not on losing faith in Amorim as part of an on-going plan (because no such plan would have existed in the first place).
Yeah, actually, whatever percentage there is for him getting the sack I expect to be 90% United fans, 10% people who would rather most of the top clubs be run properly (a rare breed), and 100% of those who want to keep him are rival fans or ABUs.
Are they pursuing a sunk cost fallacy?
Are they really prepared to throw away another season over £12M?
Are they really prepared to throw away another season over £12M?
I don't think so. Woodward was pretty simple in that regard: any manager who (looked like he) failed to qualify for CL was sacked. Fan sentiment didn't play a role for that I think.
Everyone at the club looks stupid by keeping him thats where all the scrutiny is now. No one is going to question why he was sacked. The only thing that keeping him achieves is a relegation battle.
I assume SJR has the final say and we’re just waiting for him to admit it’s not going to work now.
They’re worried about looking incompetent by sacking Amorim, as if they’re not looking utterly clueless already.
That ship had already sailed when they had that Brailsford (?) bicycle guy involved too, what other club on the planet would think that it was a shrewd appointment?
That ship had already sailed when they had that Brailsford (?) bicycle guy involved too, what other club on the planet would think that it was a shrewd appointment?
i'd hazard a guess that was when the club had money to burn. And Ed continued to burn it for years after. Thats why now they keep managers to the bitterest end, they dont want to sack them