I don't think it's been the players; they do play for him. But it did help with the media, as they seem to have backed off for now with the "When is he getting the sack". He also made a nice tactical tweak, which is helping us in the middle, and by extension, is helping us win games.
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I don't think it's been the players; they do play for him. But it did help with the media, as they seem to have backed off for now with the "When is he getting the sack". He also made a nice tactical tweak, which is helping us in the middle, and by extension, is helping us win games.
Looking at our league position in relation to first and second half results, there’s a clear strength and depth issue (amongst other things too!)
I do think if they’re serious about us getting back to winning in a couple of years, they need to think about using both windows to invest in. They need to spend in January if we’re to keep the momentum going because AFCON and inevitable injuries are around the corner. If we lose Casemiro, we’re in for a world of pain. The stats with him on the pitch compared to off it are crazy.
Whether we have the funds or PSR restrictions might be the convenient excuse not to, but even just a couple of smart moves to improve the quality off the bench in particular would be massive.
I do think if they’re serious about us getting back to winning in a couple of years, they need to think about using both windows to invest in. They need to spend in January if we’re to keep the momentum going because AFCON and inevitable injuries are around the corner. If we lose Casemiro, we’re in for a world of pain. The stats with him on the pitch compared to off it are crazy.
Whether we have the funds or PSR restrictions might be the convenient excuse not to, but even just a couple of smart moves to improve the quality off the bench in particular would be massive.
The Ratcliffe revolution - inside Man Utd's exodus and rebuild
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdjrkznlk9yoThis is definitely a rah rah article. All sounds great and very positive which is excellent. However, the elephant in the room is the Glazers. Until we rid ourselves of them and their continual draining of cash from the club our progress will always be limited. I do hope SJR has this in hand and it’s only a matter of time.
Whats happened to the new UAE investor? The news blew up from a supposedly credible Saudi source, and then suddenly died a quick death?
Not sure where to put this:
The most valuable club in the League and finished 15th. Imagine what happens if and when the good times return. I'm assuming this also means the Glazers are going nowhere...
The most valuable club in the League and finished 15th. Imagine what happens if and when the good times return. I'm assuming this also means the Glazers are going nowhere...
They want to win the league in 2028 
We are just a meme at this point
They would have kept Ange if they were running Forest
One must ignore all the salient facts and blindly give shite managers 3 years.
The INEOS way.
Its a big if, spent £200m+ in summer and look just as shit as last season.
All that money we make, just to line the pockets of the leeches.
But hey, 2nd in most valuable football team league table, whey!
I think INEOS deserve more credit than they are getting right now. For the first time in over a decade, it actually feels like there is a plan at Utd. The structure is clearer and the football decisions are being made by people who know what they are doing. Its not going to be perfect overnight. No rebuild ever is.
Mindnumbing.
They wouldn't have sacked Nuno, replaced him with the exact opposite manager, only to sack him a week later to replace him with a slightly lesser version of Nuno who, if you remember, they just sacked.
We're going nowhere with Amorim but it's hard to care about him being manager when the best in class football structure, who identified him (having previously said they were going to implement a game model and then they went on a wild goose chase offering the job to every manager around regardless of their style of play) and who have blown a fortune on the likes of Zirzkee, Dorgu and Ugarte, are still running things.
There is no plan, they just do PR better. It's worse than it has ever been on pitch, worst league finish along with endless bad records broken. You base this on 2 good transfers, who were ver very obvious buys. The club is a mess, I'm sorry but nothing shows me otherwise. I won't even start about the shambles with their DOF pick.
You can not hit every transfer; there is simply no chance. Even City, who are/were deemed as the best football operators in the world, have some colossal feck up of transfers, like Kalvin Philips, Kushanov, Savinho, Traford, Torres, and Grealish. Our issue is that we neglected our squad for so long that it will take 2-3 years to create a coherent starting eleven, including buying badly.
Arsenal also went through such a period. The problem is, there is a way to lose a match, and this, today, was really, really bad.
Thank you INEOS for 15th and 10th.
Talking strictly footballing performance here but these are worse than the glazers by one hell of a distance.
Someone should try and find and post results since they took charge.
Someone should try and find and post results since they took charge.
INEOS deserve no credit. They are sitting back and allowing an incompetent manager to ruin the team. These horrendous performances are not part of some grand long term plan
I think we need another cultural reset lads
INEOS have conned United to think that mid table is okay as we’re building.
Before they came in we never accepted this.
Before they came in we never accepted this.
Ratcliffe was quick to call out people for spending money on Onana, Casemiro and Hojlund. Who spent £35m on Dorgu? They deserve sacking.
Woodward was awful, but he had standards at least.
Do Ratcliffe/Ineos have any?
Do Ratcliffe/Ineos have any?
but that cultural reset though....
The only thing they care about building is a stadium. That’s where the money is.
Quality control
Ineos' major problem is there is no 'White Knight' manager for them to lure.
No Peps, Klopps or copper-bottomed investments, only risks.
Like Amorim.
He clearly isn't up to it.
The Glazers were terrible only after Ferg left.
Ruined his legacy in one season with a manager who appears better than our incumbent.
Another good point:
United Tax has gone nowhere.
Woodward is the single greatest calamity to inflict our club.
I include Munich in this assessment.
You may consider Ineos his legacy.
It’s going to take years to fix Utd and who knows if we’re even making any progress yet. But the biggest issue at the moment is the manager, a point a game and completely be dimensional. The team has lots of issues but we’ve got a manager that adds to them.
Once Amad and Mbeumo go to the AFCON we’ll be watching that first half every game and it’s just another season down the pan.
Once Amad and Mbeumo go to the AFCON we’ll be watching that first half every game and it’s just another season down the pan.
I thought I'd quote you here as to not take the other thread off topic but I completely agree.
I think some underestimate how quickly this could be fixed. A change in manager and FINALLY prioritising press resistant players will have a club of Uniteds stature on the right path in no time.
It's just, Amorim is safe and we still have a blind spot to press resistant players. We prefer moments players like Mbeumo and Cunha who need space, which is why they are effective on the counter and struggle against deep defences, and are very sloppy in general, but can produce a moment of magic every now and then. We need players who do everything to a high level over the full course of the game. Players who can keep the ball and perform in tight spaces. We are severely lacking players of this ilk.
You know Yagami, I've been saying for a couple of years now, about how quickly we can turn things around. And that turn-around revolves heavily around the recruitment process. And when your recruitment process isn't centred around prioritising for a proactive attacking approach towards the game, then inevitably we will carry on punching way below our collective strength as a club that has huge resources.
players like Amad, Mainoo and Martinez will thrive if they had a couple of central midfielders who can knit it all together and connect both the defensive and attacking lines. But currently the situation that has been created is one where we're heavily focused on bypassing the midfield which makes the aforementioned players less effective imo.
It's pretty clear and has been for some time now that a couple of midfielders with the requisite abilities are required to significantly raise the level in midfield. Players who have the ability to evade and resist pressure along with having the ability to cover ground quickly. Personally I would go all out for Anderson from Nottingham Forest and if they signed someone like Baleba along with him, then that is good as well. And if they wanted to carry on utilising a 4231 formation in the future, then the replacement for Bruno in the advanced attacking midfield position should be someone who has the craft, guile and press resistant ability which would further aid us in controlling and dominating games in a proactive attacking way.
It's not difficult if you know what you're looking for. Of course mistakes are inevitable when signing players, but you can't make mistakes as far as the profile of each position is concerned and what is expected of each player in their respective roles with the aim of implementing a dominant style of play.
£35m on Dorgu, £42m on Ugarte and £36m on Zirkzee. I will give leeway to Sesko, but at the moment he doesn’t look his price-tag nor does Yoro.
We can moan about buying players from Serie A. But we don’t seem to have any luck with players from any league. Brentford signed Kayode for £17.5m, whilst we spent double that on Dorgu. INEOS haven’t been great in the market, and I don’t see that changing judging by how they ran Nice. Wilcox has no business running the footballing side of Manchester United.
We can moan about buying players from Serie A. But we don’t seem to have any luck with players from any league. Brentford signed Kayode for £17.5m, whilst we spent double that on Dorgu. INEOS haven’t been great in the market, and I don’t see that changing judging by how they ran Nice. Wilcox has no business running the footballing side of Manchester United.
That's some proper PR bs. Nothing they have done so far would indicate they know what they are doing. Absolutely nothing.
The only thing keeping Amorim in a job is these guys trying to save their own skins and save face by hiring him in the first place. They’ve backed him so much and through so many poor results, it’ll look like another ETH debacle if they sack him now, even though they know it’s the right thing to do.
It's plain gross negligence to be keeping Amorim here and it has been since Grimsby (you could very easily argue even before then). Every day they allow this situation to continue the standards are being dragged further down.
They are equally responsible for this shitshow.
1) Firstly bottled up the decision to sack ETH after FA cup win. Gave him 200M and went to sack him after 11 games into season.
2) Signed Amorim mid-season gave him more than half a season, in which he finished 15th and lost a final to Spurs, also gave him 200M+ when he should have been sacked last season, just to prove their decision was right.
3) Now he is on course for another midtable finish. They have practically wasted 2 seasons because of their inept decision making, the lack of champions league football is also down to them and they have the audacity to take away jobs and make small cuts to staff meals etc, when its their decisions which is costing hundred and Millions.
4) Lastly, I do not think i would remember Woodward ever, but they have actually made me miss him, at least with him we had standards and fired managers if they failed with Champions league football. With them its all about their image and club can burn and crash as long as they can rule the ashes.
1) Firstly bottled up the decision to sack ETH after FA cup win. Gave him 200M and went to sack him after 11 games into season.
2) Signed Amorim mid-season gave him more than half a season, in which he finished 15th and lost a final to Spurs, also gave him 200M+ when he should have been sacked last season, just to prove their decision was right.
3) Now he is on course for another midtable finish. They have practically wasted 2 seasons because of their inept decision making, the lack of champions league football is also down to them and they have the audacity to take away jobs and make small cuts to staff meals etc, when its their decisions which is costing hundred and Millions.
4) Lastly, I do not think i would remember Woodward ever, but they have actually made me miss him, at least with him we had standards and fired managers if they failed with Champions league football. With them its all about their image and club can burn and crash as long as they can rule the ashes.
thevye done a great job of dissociating on field perfomances with their financial management. setting themselves and the glazers up for massive rewards whilst the sporting side crumbles. i dont want to listen anymore to their sport exec business bullshit trying to give the impression of expertise.
Anyone pining for Woodward, for any reason, isn't to be taken seriously.
Did you read what i wrote or just triggered by the word Woodward and started typing the reply.
INEOS need to set an internal target for the end of December. By the 1st of January we have to be top 7 or Amorim has to go.
I think that's a fair target and any halfway competent manager could do. If we're still languishing in 10th or lower come Jan then get rid immediately. Get Ole in until the end of the season.
I think that's a fair target and any halfway competent manager could do. If we're still languishing in 10th or lower come Jan then get rid immediately. Get Ole in until the end of the season.
I trully dont understand why do some people who works at management (goverment included) cant figure it out the importance of short term success. All they talk about is long term goals, long term succeess, why?
The successes came in with 3 phases
1. Short term success phase
2. Medium term success phase
3. Long term success phase
You cant jump straight to point 3, it has never happened before and never will, even SAF didnt jump straight to long term success phase.
The likes of Dorgu and Sesko should've never been bought as the lack of quality in their respective positions is so obvious, it's also so unfair to force them to take heavy burden at such young age. I think the FM mentality has creeped in into real life football decision makers: "lets collect young players as many as possible so we can build a winning team or sell them for profits" well Dortmund took that approach after Klopp and they stopped competing for titles eversince.
Manchester United is a club known to give young talents plenty of chances, but we have always been a realistic club. Sir Matt broke the bank to sign Tommy Taylor eventhough young Denis Viollet was scoring for fun, then broke transfer record for Denis Law even with Brian Kidd waiting on the wing. SAF bought Brian McClair eventhough young Norman Whiteside was already making name and bought Eric Cantona even with young Mark Robins was still around. Meanwhile what we have to today is a circle of young inexperienced striker replacing another young inexperienced strikers and we wonder why we have been struggling for goals?
The inability of our management to take short term fix could be hurtful for the long term prospect of our club. We took £100m loan just to buy new players last summer all because the higher ups thought losing the EL final was ACCEPTABLE in the name of long term process. Well what we are going to do if we failed to secure european spot again this season? SACKING the manager and took another 100m again?
Sorry for the long essay just trying to vent frustastion toward the incompetence of ineos.
The successes came in with 3 phases
1. Short term success phase
2. Medium term success phase
3. Long term success phase
You cant jump straight to point 3, it has never happened before and never will, even SAF didnt jump straight to long term success phase.
The likes of Dorgu and Sesko should've never been bought as the lack of quality in their respective positions is so obvious, it's also so unfair to force them to take heavy burden at such young age. I think the FM mentality has creeped in into real life football decision makers: "lets collect young players as many as possible so we can build a winning team or sell them for profits" well Dortmund took that approach after Klopp and they stopped competing for titles eversince.
Manchester United is a club known to give young talents plenty of chances, but we have always been a realistic club. Sir Matt broke the bank to sign Tommy Taylor eventhough young Denis Viollet was scoring for fun, then broke transfer record for Denis Law even with Brian Kidd waiting on the wing. SAF bought Brian McClair eventhough young Norman Whiteside was already making name and bought Eric Cantona even with young Mark Robins was still around. Meanwhile what we have to today is a circle of young inexperienced striker replacing another young inexperienced strikers and we wonder why we have been struggling for goals?
The inability of our management to take short term fix could be hurtful for the long term prospect of our club. We took £100m loan just to buy new players last summer all because the higher ups thought losing the EL final was ACCEPTABLE in the name of long term process. Well what we are going to do if we failed to secure european spot again this season? SACKING the manager and took another 100m again?
Sorry for the long essay just trying to vent frustastion toward the incompetence of ineos.
I read it. With care. Can quote it to you, if you like.
I reiterate (with added caveat):
Anybody (who supports United) and pines for Woodward, for any reason, isn't to be taken seriously.
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