Club ownership | Senior management team talk

I despise the Glazers and Ineos, they are awful owners. They send a commercial guy to Portugal to sign an inexperienced manager after sacking Ashworth who actually knows football. Sign Wilcox from Southampton as DoF. Wilcox? Sign players such as Ugarte and Dorgu who are Championship level. Spend 190m on strikers who can't score. The rot and decline is unbearable. They deserve everything that is coming for them. Destroying a successful and debt free club to enrich themselves. And in 2028 we will win the PL. The delusion is grandeur.
 
Just go get Unai Emery from Villa. With far less resources has turned Villa into a champions league team and knows what it takes to actually win games in the premier league.
 
FlawlessVictory88 said:
Just go get Unai Emery from Villa. With far less resources has turned Villa into a champions league team and knows what it takes to actually win games in the premier league.
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Trouble is, managers who excel at medium size clubs don't always do the same at big clubs (see Arsenal), never mind one of the biggest in the world. The pressure and scrutiny are far more intense.
 
The frustrating thing is that we can still save our season.
There must be a cut off point for failure.
 
Raoul said:
Trouble is, managers who excel at medium size clubs don't always do the same at big clubs (see Arsenal), never mind one of the biggest in the world. The pressure and scrutiny are far more intense.
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I think he would have excelled if he had more time at Arsenal, Arteta got far more than him despite worse results.

Not like Amorim has managed anything more than a medium sized club either.

Watching Villa beat Arsenal as we speak.
 
Top_Bins said:
The frustrating thing is that we can still save our season.
There must be a cut off point for failure.
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A̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶
F̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ 1̶5̶t̶h̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶?̶
L̶o̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶o̶ S̶p̶u̶r̶s̶ i̶n̶ a̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶?̶
K̶n̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ C̶u̶p̶ b̶y̶ a̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ 2̶ t̶e̶a̶m̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ w̶i̶n̶ %̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ p̶e̶r̶ g̶a̶m̶e̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
5̶ a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶a̶c̶k̶?̶
T̶u̶r̶g̶i̶d̶ d̶o̶g̶ s̶h̶i̶t̶ d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶

I'm out of ideas.
 
WeStandUnited said:
A̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶
F̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ 1̶5̶t̶h̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶?̶
L̶o̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶o̶ S̶p̶u̶r̶s̶ i̶n̶ a̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶?̶
K̶n̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ C̶u̶p̶ b̶y̶ a̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ 2̶ t̶e̶a̶m̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ w̶i̶n̶ %̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ p̶e̶r̶ g̶a̶m̶e̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
5̶ a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶a̶c̶k̶?̶
T̶u̶r̶g̶i̶d̶ d̶o̶g̶ s̶h̶i̶t̶ d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶

I'm out of ideas.
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The Everton fiasco
 
WeStandUnited said:
A̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶
F̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ 1̶5̶t̶h̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶?̶
L̶o̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶o̶ S̶p̶u̶r̶s̶ i̶n̶ a̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶?̶
K̶n̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ C̶u̶p̶ b̶y̶ a̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ 2̶ t̶e̶a̶m̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ w̶i̶n̶ %̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ p̶e̶r̶ g̶a̶m̶e̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
5̶ a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶a̶c̶k̶?̶
T̶u̶r̶g̶i̶d̶ d̶o̶g̶ s̶h̶i̶t̶ d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶

I'm out of ideas.
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First time in the history of Old Trafford we lost to an opposing team with a red card. (Everton)
 
WeStandUnited said:
A̶ f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ s̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶
F̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ 1̶5̶t̶h̶ i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶?̶
L̶o̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶o̶ S̶p̶u̶r̶s̶ i̶n̶ a̶ E̶u̶r̶o̶p̶e̶a̶n̶ f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶?̶
K̶n̶o̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ C̶u̶p̶ b̶y̶ a̶ L̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ 2̶ t̶e̶a̶m̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ w̶i̶n̶ %̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
W̶o̶r̶s̶t̶ p̶o̶i̶n̶t̶s̶ p̶e̶r̶ g̶a̶m̶e̶ o̶f̶ a̶n̶y̶ c̶u̶r̶r̶e̶n̶t̶ e̶r̶a̶ m̶a̶n̶a̶g̶e̶r̶?̶
5̶ a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ b̶a̶c̶k̶?̶
T̶u̶r̶g̶i̶d̶ d̶o̶g̶ s̶h̶i̶t̶ d̶e̶f̶e̶n̶s̶i̶v̶e̶ f̶o̶o̶t̶b̶a̶l̶l̶?̶

I'm out of ideas.
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What a CV!

Crazy thing is, those that defend him would be laughing and saying how he should be sacked if he was manager of literally any other PL team.
 
How did this fall under the radar?

Apparently was after the Wolves goal

 
Drainy said:
Brilliant. Great to see management and owners who give a shit when we concede.

You'll never see the Glazers bothered about anything other than their pocket book
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Probably because you rarely ever see them at games.
 
Drainy said:
Brilliant. Great to see management and owners who give a shit when we concede.

You'll never see the Glazers bothered about anything other than their pocket book
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From the major shareholders perspective Ineos had promised a lot and had delivered so little. From a performance perspective the club had regressed throughout their time. Their patience must be running thin at this point
 
devilish said:
From the major shareholders perspective Ineos had promised a lot and had delivered so little. From a performance perspective the club had regressed throughout their time. Their patience must be running thin at this point
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You mean they haven't delivered on the pitch within the context of taking over a club that was going broke under the majority owners
 
Drainy said:
You mean they haven't delivered on the pitch within the context of taking over a club that was going broke under the majority owners
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I understand and I agree with those who say that United are in the mud because of the Glazers. However to truly understand what might be going behind the scenes one needs to see things from the Glazers POV. As our major shareholders that's the most important POV at the club (I am not trying to bait here, we all know its the truth)

The Glazers biggest asset by far is Manchester United. SJR has INEOS whose worth dwarfs that of the club rendering it a vanity project but from the Glazers view Manchester United is almost everything. Most of Manchester United's worth is pure brand name. That brand name is tied with exposure and to a lesser degree to success. No CL football means less exposure which means less money from sponsors, it means less pulling factor by those who might be interested in buying the club and in the long term it means less fans and the brand becoming less relevant. In the past few years I had traveled in the US and Asia and I assure you United's shirts aren't as prominent as they used to.

INEOS had bought a 25% stake of the club while promising to bring United to their former glory. There were persistent rumors that they would eventually buy the entire club. Yet after the partial ownership United had failed to make it to CL qualification and will probably fail again to do it this year. The talks about INEOS buying more shares had died out, its been a disaster both in terms of football, management (hiring and sacking Ashworth, giving ETH a contract extension only to then firing him etc) and in terms of PR (people sacked, SAF was pushed out etc). The new stadium isn't going to be build anytime soon, the debt keeps increasing and it will probably explode if and once we start building a new stadium.

Which leads to the next question. If you were the Glazers how long would you leave this minority shareholder play real life Football manager with your most prized asset until you'll pull the plug? If INEOS were indeed successful than that wouldn't be an issue but we're further away from CL qualification then we were under the sole ownership of the Glazers. It's the equivalent of a millionaire driving the only van a van driver owns to the ground just because he is paying its petrol.
 
just amazing that you can do some bullshit leverage buyout and have this amount of debt on it still 20 damn years later.
 
Not really worthy of making a thread but not really sure where else to post it but it kinda shows how the "global brand" is suffering.

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Seoul are OGs.
 
devilish said:
I understand and I agree with those who say that United are in the mud because of the Glazers. However to truly understand what might be going behind the scenes one needs to see things from the Glazers POV. As our major shareholders that's the most important POV at the club (I am not trying to bait here, we all know its the truth)

The Glazers biggest asset by far is Manchester United. SJR has INEOS whose worth dwarfs that of the club rendering it a vanity project but from the Glazers view Manchester United is almost everything. Most of Manchester United's worth is pure brand name. That brand name is tied with exposure and to a lesser degree to success. No CL football means less exposure which means less money from sponsors, it means less pulling factor by those who might be interested in buying the club and in the long term it means less fans and the brand becoming less relevant. In the past few years I had traveled in the US and Asia and I assure you United's shirts aren't as prominent as they used to.

INEOS had bought a 25% stake of the club while promising to bring United to their former glory. There were persistent rumors that they would eventually buy the entire club. Yet after the partial ownership United had failed to make it to CL qualification and will probably fail again to do it this year. The talks about INEOS buying more shares had died out, its been a disaster both in terms of football, management (hiring and sacking Ashworth, giving ETH a contract extension only to then firing him etc) and in terms of PR (people sacked, SAF was pushed out etc). The new stadium isn't going to be build anytime soon, the debt keeps increasing and it will probably explode if and once we start building a new stadium.

Which leads to the next question. If you were the Glazers how long would you leave this minority shareholder play real life Football manager with your most prized asset until you'll pull the plug? If INEOS were indeed successful than that wouldn't be an issue but we're further away from CL qualification then we were under the sole ownership of the Glazers. It's the equivalent of a millionaire driving the only van a van driver owns to the ground just because he is paying its petrol.
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They can’t pull the plug, they handed over the keys expecting a bigger profit further down the line. They can’t buy SJR out and no one is going to pay them more than he was willing to pay. It’s a standoff that could drag on for years I’d imagine.

This decline was coming with out without INEOS, the Glazers ran it into the ground and it was always going to reach a tipping point eventually. At best it’s going to take years to fix on and off the pitch whoever is in charge.
 
618red devil said:
2nd best Parisian club out pacing United in the great state of Arkansas. Get in.
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dr.twinny said:
Lots of Chicago Fire fans in Cape Town? What the hell?
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I would be interested to know how much money clubs earn from these fans. Like, do they actually support these clubs (ours included) financially or just comment on Facebook posts and watch the match on TV.
 
Now that were on a one game winning streak -- two in six if one wishes to be a sticker -- this is no time to sack Amorim, but I hope that the executive management team are actively evaluating the possibilities now and in the summer.
 
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