Club ownership | Senior management team talk
- Thread starter golden_blunder
- Start date
-
In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) celebrate a fantastic victory as Manchester United won 2-0 in the Derby. They celebrate the changes Carrick has made, discuss our new coaching team and find time to play a Stupid Game. Enjoy!
those pesky racists!Nice lost 8 games in a row in the league.
Last edited:
Raw deal that.
Yup. We need to get back to winning ways ASAP.Not really worthy of making a thread but not really sure where else to post it but it kinda shows how the "global brand" is suffering.
https://info.fbref.com/25_fbref_seasonreview
Seoul are OGs.
It's actually pretty concerning.
I still see United fans (probably cause of their dads like my son) but if i look around at my players (i'm a coach of U11), none of them are United fans, and United is not exactly looked at fondly....
I've been saying for quite a while now, this is a snowball effect. Once it becomes a bit outdated to be a fan of United, we're cooked. At this point the biggest chance of salvation is money but that could be drying up sooner than we think and with FFP it makes it hard.
Yup. If we don’t buck up our ideas quickly, we’ll be past the point of no return. I give it ten years.
The most important POV is the fans, remember the protests for the Liverpool game? Getting the match abandoned protesting the Super League, the fans are the heart and soul and lifeline of any club.
The Glazers also own the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, while not as valuable, they still own another major sports team, who they put far more care into, yes United's brand name carries a lot of weight, but why do you think City have been able to catch us on revenue? Through being successful on the pitch, that aligns with the lack of shirts worldwide, if we are winning PL's & CL's then our worldwide fanbase will grow again.
INEOS bought that stake, then added an additional 4% that has funded the renovation of Carrington, more money than the Glazers have ever spent btw, the Glazers do not want a full sale, you cannot buy what is not for sale.
INEOS have had a very poor start to life no argument there, the hiring & firing of Ashworth was someone they brought in and felt he didn't align with there vision, we do not know if he would have made any difference, claiming he is some prophet by some is far fetched, the upturn in Newcastle were from signings bought before his arrival.
They clearly felt that the person they wanted to replace ETH with wasn't available so activated his +1 option, as we all know was a stupid decision as we all saw the season before, every board makes mistakes.
The sacking of people is a horrible thing and nobody should ever lose there job or have uncertainty for months, I have worked in companies like that it is a horrible place to be, can I just point out that when David Gill left we had roughly 600 members of staff and were making a profit, when Woodward took over we grew to 1000 and we started losing money, sacking tea ladies and kitmen isn't going to break the bank, but there were clearly people high up that were providing no value for there salary.
The new stadium is a long term aim, if or ever that gets build is your guess or mine, they are clearly working on it, when that will be who knows.
SAF was just stopped paying a salary, not good optics at all, the ticket price hikes as well, this isn't me agreeing with everything they have done.
The debt I am glad you brought that up, why are we in debt? From a leveraged buyout of the club by the ones you are talking from there POV, and have had no intention of paying that off, they have taken dividends out for years, refinanced the debt so they can milk the cow, CL money was all they cared about as this is when they put transfer money available, otherwise that will do, as Mourinho's final summer showed.
Playing real life football manager? That's what Woodward did under there say so, he spent all our cash reserves by paying huge transfers outright instead of installments, they do not care as long as they get paid, if they did they wouldn't have taken the club to where it was before INEOS got in the door.
I'm not sure about that. Football goes in cycles. Look at how shit Pool were for 30 odd years yet they represent well on those diagrams. United is a behemoth, most people don't realise the scale. We could easily go 30+ years in the doldrums and recover from it.
Very true but you don’t generate loads of money whilst in the doldrums and as we know… we need money!!!
Don't agree that pay more wages = more successful in the league, especially when he's listed we've paid players who no longer play for us.
I'd say we're paying the right ballpark of wages, but some of the players are an incorrect fit still.
I'd say getting rid of Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Hojlund and Onana wages off the books, whilst replacing half that wage expenditure on players who fit the system, would improve us immeasurably, as we'd increase squad depth.
I'd imagine that wage expenditure stated also includes the 25% decrease from not being in the CL.
United generate 100s of millions in revenue, we don't need money we need proper ownership
13.3m Operating Profit for the first time in five years.
Small steps but the rot reversed. Slightly.
Still need to get rid of disease that has inflicted this on the club
Small steps but the rot reversed. Slightly.
Still need to get rid of disease that has inflicted this on the club
Most of those “team pages viewed” are mere curiosity, to see what the team at the top is about.nif it was City, they would have high numbers .I speak to a lot of Australians and rarely anyone mentions Arsenal as a favourite team. Overwhelming “support” is United and Liverpool. They are not saying they are supporting arsenal.
re: the debt, I think two things at this point:
(a) The finance people at the club are quite smart and generally manage finances well. As long as the money is being made available for investing in the squad / stadium / training facilities, debt in itself is not that bad. Yes, ideally we have no Glazer takeover debt on our heads and that theoretically frees up more cash to invest but it is what it is. As long as they're keeping up with the investment I'm fine.
(b) If we really get to a situation where we're consistently a mid table club and can't service our debts due to lack of Europe, we know that there is still enough interest both in the sport and the club that we should be able to find a willing buyer easily. The Atletico deal and Chelsea deals point to that. I don't think we're in a Mike Ashley type ownership situation, the owners will sell to make their money back if it all goes to shit.
(a) The finance people at the club are quite smart and generally manage finances well. As long as the money is being made available for investing in the squad / stadium / training facilities, debt in itself is not that bad. Yes, ideally we have no Glazer takeover debt on our heads and that theoretically frees up more cash to invest but it is what it is. As long as they're keeping up with the investment I'm fine.
(b) If we really get to a situation where we're consistently a mid table club and can't service our debts due to lack of Europe, we know that there is still enough interest both in the sport and the club that we should be able to find a willing buyer easily. The Atletico deal and Chelsea deals point to that. I don't think we're in a Mike Ashley type ownership situation, the owners will sell to make their money back if it all goes to shit.
One thing I would agree with is that things like have gotten so much worse over the last 12 months. So many matchgoing fans are being pushed to the absolute brink.
Last edited:
It's difficult to say whether the financial contribution could be big enough to be considered meaningful to the club, but there is definitely money being earned from fans abroad. I walked into a store the other day with my son who bought the new black kit (with the yellow stripes)...at R1,200 that's not cheap by South African standards (I'm from Cape Town). Yet, you'll see plenty of new United, Arsenal, and Liverpool kits being worn, even at these, in my opinion, crazy prices. Random branded merchandise is also fairly popular (branded balls, peak caps, etc.).
I have no idea where the Chicago Fire data comes from! I don't think I've ever seen a Fire kit in Cape Town. Quite bizarre.
It's clearly bollocks.
If they don't invest more this winter window, they ain't fecking serious
none of the wait till summer bullocks because there isn't value in the market in the jan window
none of the wait till summer bullocks because there isn't value in the market in the jan window
Do we actually have any funds available? Amorim costing us European football has cost us a lot of money and probably put an end to any hopes of serious investment in January
1. Is money available?
2. We clearly have midfield targets in mind, but none of them are gettable in January. So do we invent in players who are not first choice for us just because they are available a few months earlier?
Gallagher would be the one for me on a loan with option to buy
So when is sleepy Jim going to do something about this?
What would you like him to do, man mark Rogers and contain him out to the byline. Or get an easy free header on target and in the back of the net?
Everything that's happening is on the senior management. They have let standards fall into the gutter and, worse, seem willing to tear up the squad to suit a coach who talks a great game but produces sweet FA. Best in class!
Well given he gave Jason Wilcox a promotion after 4 months in a role in which he was supposed to devise a "game model" that would be implemented at all levels (this turned out to be a crock of shit) and was the main voice pushing to sign Ugarte I'm not sure the standards are that high.
In fairness to Amorim I actually think we've played alright of late and our league position is decent considering the quality of the squad and the ambition of the club nowadays.
They need to be shrewd
I thought having footballing people could get us cheaper signings in talent that's not well known or loans
we need loans if we're skint, but at this rate this team isn't going to get Europe
The thing with this is, Amorim has to quickly get a move on. Every time I see this team, its clear that there's a lot of talent here regardless of how angry fans are. Yes we have holes in a few positions, but ultimately we would easily be performing better under another manager. Amorim knows this and has said as such.
Why? Well most managers would not have had this system and would not have persisted with it for as long as he has. This was only acceptable because when we eventually learnt to play it, we would roll through teams. However, if that is not the case, then we've wasted 2 seasons working on an average system that depends on individual ability. Record wise, United aren't this bad. We've had far worse teams in the last decade than this one in regard to talent and its not ok to let the standards slip because you like someone. We can't keep waiting without results and performances significantly improving.
The recruitment this summer was poor yet again. Ineos are never bringing back the glory days, they just don't have a clue.
We haven't really had teams much worse than this, we have more attacking talent now (even if the striker looks like he's not ready) so we score more goals but it's as bad as we've been in goal, in defence and in midfield which are the areas you need to control in order to win consistently.
I don't think Amorim is the right man but I'm also at the stage where if the people above him appointed him and can't see its not working then that, along with multiple dud signings in the last 2 years and numerous other feck ups, would indicate that they're charlatans and it won't work regardless of manager.
We had a decade with far worse defences. The fact that we can call on De Ligt, Martinez, Yoro as opposed to Jones, Bailly, Smalling and Lindelof. we've had attacks with Dan James and Perreira starting. 15/16 to 19/20 had generally worse outfits.
Blatant disregard for facts here.
We were 12th last season on the xg adjusted table, now we are 4th or 5th (last game we were 4th)
The players we have bought still need to gel but we are moving in the right direction.
An overhaul won't happen in one window. We have injuries and AFCON now.
I agree. I think we are setting ourselves up for a very good season next season. Just hope sesko can start scoring and a few new MFs.
The loss today was unfair. We deserved a draw at minimum.
Smalling was vastly superior to anything we have seen from Yoro or Martinez and then we had De Gea in goal. We had Pereira and James starting for 6 months until we signed Bruno and then we had midfield options of Matic, Pogba, Fred and McTominay. Now we have the last drops of Casemiro as well as Ugarte and Mainoo (who has no role under this head coach) while Martial and then Cavani under Ole were way better than Sesko or Zirkzee.
Either way we are comparing different versions of teams that aren't good enough, INEOS have spent a lot of money, much of it very poorly, and thus far built a team with question marks in goal and up front and no questions that the defence and midfield are bobbins, appointed a manager who isn't good and have somehow managed to make the atmosphere more miserable than it was just with the Glazer's.
An overhaul can't happen in one window, but you do realise they can get in players in a few positions to balance the team?
They have a habit of just aiming to improve one part of a team in a window, few windows back it was defence, then it's attack leaving the midfield exposed. Now we have to wait until summer for that to happen, that too me isn't acceptable
They need to start thinking about bringing players for the balance of the team. If money was an issue, Sesko wasn't needed - a loan striker would've been enough for a midfielder or two
I don't know how much talent that isn't known exists nowadays, but it takes time to gather all the data and information.
Anyhow, if we get anyone in January we'd expect a quick contribution, especially if it's a loan, so it can't be some unknown, cheap and inexperienced player.
When we suffer injuries to every midfielder, I'm serious
They have zero shrewdness outside of academy signings, that's why we need to appoint someone who you know understands first team recruitment